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[ ] [ITHILMAR] Trade Goods

Trade goods makes the most sense to me. Mathilde isn't desperate for personal cash at the moment, and it's a good investment in spreading the influence of her spy ring/company.
 
So instead you put your time towards teaching Panoramia the subtle art of acting mysterious and smug when someone asks questions you don't actually have the answers for, and before long all of Karak Eight Peaks believes that she somehow deliberately created a giant tree as a centerpiece of the inner Karak - possibly as an aid to her future plans of turning the central caldera into grazelands, possibly just to show off.

Biggest treehouse ever? Biggest treehouse ever! If Panoramia wants her own wizard's tower, building onto and around the tree seems the epitome of Ghyran tower-construction. Should we suggest she build a Ghyran/tree-based Karak superweapon? I imagine there might be some dwarves around who would want to fortify it to some degree at least. Though this might make things difficult for the gyrocopters though. Also I kinda want to see Cython's opinion on this Sudden Tree.

The Queen gets right down to business, and the offer she gives you tests your unflappable facade. You'd bought the famously light Ithilmar for its weight in gold, and you're being offered its volume in gold. According to your mental abacus, this equates to a lot of money. You string together enough thoughts to vaguely consider haggling, but though Queen Marrisith is young for an Elven Queen, that still means centuries of life experience to your mere few decades, so you simply accept. That's still a staggering fivefold return on your initial investment.

So ithilmar is about half the density of steel (typically ~7.85g/cm³ or thereabouts), then? If we bought it for its mass in gold and sold it for its volume in gold for a fivefold return, that means it's a fifth the density of gold (~19.3 g/cm³), so it'd be 3.86g/cm³. Neat.

I have no strong opinions on our remuneration unless someone puts forth an interesting write-in.

As to social actions, I have a preference for four:

[ ] Dooming and Quickening
There will be rites and celebrations for Prince Mandred entering adulthood. Be present for them, and perform others that are pleasing to his true patron.
[ ] Entrance Examination
Dragomas is forming a panel of eight Wizards from the eight Orders to determine the most suitable fit for a certain child of nobility. Be the Grey Order's representative on that panel.

Mandred's Dooming and all that is a must; we should be there for our godson. What kind of magical godmother would be be if we don't show up to his important life events to do Mysterious Godmotherly Things? And I'm pretty sure Heidi (as a mother, let alone a politician and schemer) would appreciate us putting in our oar to steer the Joint Advisory Committee on Order Suitability for Royalty in whatever opportune direction. It's the sort of thing that if this quest were written just slightly differently I would expect Heidi to ask us to do so and/or rather like the Eike master decision the Grey Order might give us right of first refusal.

[ ] Initiate
For the first time, a child born in Karag Nar has shown a capability of using magic. It is the duty of a Wizard to ascertain their suitability to join one of the Orders of Magic.

We're the ranking wizard and more importantly the head of the local branch college; I think legal technicalities of being outside the Empire are a bit moot. As someone said, it'd contrast nicely with the above. Plus it's just another bit of the cosmopolitan nature of the reborn Vala-Azril-Ungol that children with magical potential are broadly accepted and cared for.

[ ] Witch Hunter
There's apparently some sort of Witch Hunter snooping around Gretel's lands. She'd absolutely be capable of dealing with it, but you'd be able to do so faster and would have more fun doing it.

This just seems like a fun diversion. If the Witch Hunter is up to no good, we'll have a lot of fun scaring the besigmar out of him and suitably dealing with him. If he's totally on the up-and-up, we'll also have fun scaring the besigmar out of him and be smug about it. I do really want to see what the reaction of a rank-and-file Templar would be to us (hat and reputation and all) when we're not in the heart of their power and firmly have the upper hand over them.

And any of the following would be neat and interesting, though I really have no firm favorite.

[ ] Swordplay
Test your novel swordfighting style against the swordsmen of Tor Lithanel.
[ ] Niedzwenka
Ask Baba Niedzwenka how she feels about the new Tzar, and about the political landscape of Kislev in general.
[ ] Sarvoi
Try to figure out if the Elves use the same Apparition-based spells that the Colleges do, and find out what the Elven perspective on that sort of thing is.
 
No, this would be for an all-in Ithilmar-for-books deal. Mathilde's current Eonir books pipeline is entirely unofficial so she can't really 'buy' an easing of restrictions on it.
Oh, that's good to know, but I'm afraid I didn't express myself properly: that'd still only be with Mathilde's share, right? The rest of the EIC could still get Trade Goods?
 
Considering it was paid for with a military resource, the blanket restrictions on military topics and part of that on magical would be lifted. No full-on spellbooks, but books on magical theory and magical critters and whatnot seem like fair game.
No, this would be for an all-in Ithilmar-for-books deal. Mathilde's current Eonir books pipeline is entirely unofficial so she can't really 'buy' an easing of restrictions on it.
Just to clarify, when you say all-in do you just mean not nickel-and-diming it, or also that it would cost the entirety of the ithilmar?
In the long term trade goods likely gets us the most money as our passive income increases.
Given that our current EIC income is less than 100 Crowns per turn (I think, a quick look didn't turn up the actual number) then a 100% increase in EIC income - which is way at the top end of possibilities, I feel - would not cover a single 10,000 crowns for over 100 turns. It's functionally never going to cover it.
 
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[ ] [ITHILMAR] Precious Stones

This seems the most useful for Elfcation.

I'm not very interested in entering the Thunderdome for Mandred. Admittingly Collegiate politics would be relatively new for Mathilde, but it's not something I long to read. Though I am interested in the Dooming, I'm sure all the Mandred votes will win, so I don't feel a need to vote for it. Talking with Baba Niedzwenka is always fun. Same with Sarvoi. The Gold Order isn't sure where Apparition magic came from and it'll be interesting to find out if the elves might have been the origin of it. I also want to see how the Druchii are fairing.

[ ] Niedzwenka
Ask Baba Niedzwenka how she feels about the new Tzar, and about the political landscape of Kislev in general.
[ ] Sarvoi
Try to figure out if the Elves use the same Apparition-based spells that the Colleges do, and find out what the Elven perspective on that sort of thing is.
[ ] Druchii Diplomats
Check in on these unexpected visitors to Tor Lithanel.

Investigate the fate of the Kalishiniviks, who were made a scapegoat for the death of the Tzar.
Kalashiniviks
 
Given that our current EIC income is less than 100 Crowns per turn (I think, a quick look didn't turn up the actual number) then a 100% increase in EIC income - which is way at the top end of possibilities, I feel - would not cover a single 10,000 crowns for over 100 turns. It's functionally never going to cover it.
Nope. This is what it was at the start of the turn:

Your share of EIC profits: 250 crowns / turn
 
Oh, that's good to know, but I'm afraid I didn't express myself properly: that'd still only be with Mathilde's share, right? The rest of the EIC could still get Trade Goods?

Mathilde will be paying back the EIC's expenses with every option.

Just to clarify, when you say all-in do you mean not nickel-and-diming it, or that it would cost the entirety of the ithilmar?

If you just want a few books, get cash and buy them the normal way. If you want maximum book, you can swap the ithilmar for maximum book.

Given that our current EIC income is less than 100 Crowns per turn (I think, a quick look didn't turn up the actual number) then a 100% increase in EIC income - which is way at the top end of possibilities, I feel - would not cover a single 10,000 crowns for over 100 turns. It's functionally never going to cover it.

250.
 
Given that our current EIC income is less than 100 Crowns per turn (I think, a quick look didn't turn up the actual number) then a 100% increase in EIC income - which is way at the top end of possibilities, I feel - would not cover a single 10,000 crowns for over 100 turns. It's functionally never going to cover it.
I feel like you are underestimating the value of being the company which dominates the trade between K8P and Tor Lithanel along with other trade routes this opens up. This is the sort of value that noble houses can't even dream off.

100% increase is short selling.
 
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For the back-of-the-envelope maths I handwaved away all the shipping costs and did the sums as if Ithilmar was slightly lighter than titanium. I figure part of how ithilmar chainmail manages to be as 'light as silk' is that it's chain, it's mostly hole instead of a solid layer of material.
From what I can tell, that method happens to line up with the Encumbrance values in WFRP 4e. Ordinary clothing robes are 1 Encumbrance, full ithilmar plate and chain is 5 Encumbrance, full steel plate and chain is 19 Encumbrance. If ithilmar was actually as light as silk, it'd be five times lighter than its mechanical representation. It being slightly lighter than titanium matches up quite a lot closer.
 
Nope. This is what it was at the start of the turn:

I stand corrected!

But a 100% increase would cover 10,000 Crowns in 40 turns, which is almost the entirety of the quest to-date, and the update references multiple tens of thousands. Unless both Mathilde and Boney are immortal, it's still absolutely giving up money for EIC spy coverage.

If you just want a few books, get cash and buy them the normal way. If you want maximum book, you can swap the ithilmar for maximum book.
Thanks. That's not unreasonable, I just wasn't sure what you meant.

It's tough, because magical books are the most valuable kind of books for Mathilde, by a huge margin... but they probably aren't worth 10s of thousands of gold, even with a bunch if other Eonir books to sweeten the pot.
 
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I'm in favor of mandred going anywhere we have our tendrils, though i recognize some as suboptimal.
Lights? Esteemed Lord Magister Egrimm can teach him.
Blues? well, we could kick hubert up the ass and tell him to get promoted and teach our godson, but he doesnt feel like it. still an option.
Ambers? While its not a good idea, EsbernAndSeija could use a small one.
Greys? Well, yeah. Doesnt even have to be us teaching him. Make algard do it.
Jades? Pan's busy for a few years, but hey!
Brights? Adela needs some motivation to get promoted
Amethysts? Gretel can teach him about magic AND running a state
Golds? Oh JOHANN~
if it came down to it id vote lights- egrimm's got the rank and some achievement-clout, he could do with the responsibility.

I really don't think Mathilde needs to take a hand in Mandred's magical studies, especially as he's almost certainly not going to the Greys.

Not to mention that, as the crown prince (even one that's very unlikely to actually inherit), I'd be shocked if the various LMs are whichever college he goes to allowed a Magister to become his teacher, let alone a freshly promoted one.

Eike had three LMs wanting to teach her.
 
Trade goods makes the most sense to me. Mathilde isn't desperate for personal cash at the moment, and it's a good investment in spreading the influence of her spy ring/company.
I mean, she's not desperate for personal cash, but she's also not not desperate for personal cash. It's lower that it often has been at a point where a new opportunity to spend a lot of cash is likely to come up relatively soon.
 
I just realized something: the oak of ages impacts the Eye of Gazul. Given the tree is the size of a small mountain, well... Ooph. Which half of the caldera is it in, btw?
 
Unless both Mathilde and Boney are immortal, it's still absolutely giving up money for EIC spy coverage.

Don't forget the rather large diplomatic inroads such trade relations would engender, which probably outweighs the spy network increases by a fair margin. I'm somewhat indifferent to the EIC as a spy tool - we rarely use it as such - but it has much more potential to be useful for building diplomatic/economic ties between nations.
 
I just realized something: the oak of ages impacts the Eye of Gazul. Given the tree is the size of a small mountain, well... Ooph. Which half of the caldera is it in, btw?
Ideally no enemy ever breaches the west gates to begin with.

If the Caldera is under threat things have almost certainly gone to shit sufficiently that nobody will be that broken up at chopping the tree down to clear the firing lines.
 
Don't forget the rather large diplomatic inroads such trade relations would engender, which probably outweighs the spy network increases by a fair margin. I'm somewhat indifferent to the EIC as a spy tool - we rarely use it as such - but it has much more potential to be useful for building diplomatic/economic ties between nations.
I believe that trade is going to be happening when the Schadensumpf is complete regardless, though - this just pays for the goods the EIC would be purchasing ahead of time, which they can use to make more money, because those goods are presumably expensive.

(Not that it'd have no effect at all, just that this is already going to happen at a slower pace.)
 
Mathilde will be paying back the EIC's expenses with every option.
Thank you for the clarification.

Hmm. If we go full bookmaxxing, we might never have to teach our scribes Eltharin to have them copy the Library of Mournings. Tens of thousands of crowns' worth of books is practically everything that's likely to ever come up for the quest.

On the other hand, Trademaxxing would massively boost the EIC and our passive income, and be quite the diplomatic coup for the Empire.

...I think I'm gonna have to sleep on it.

Eike had three LMs wanting to teach her.
Admittedly, Eike has proven that she's quite above the average when it comes to Intrigue, on top of having the Mark of Ulgu. That'd be enough to make a lot of people interested in her.
 
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So I know the Chorfs had no seeds from the Oak of Ages as a rule, but what are the chances that it happened anyway?
 
I stand corrected!

But a 100% increase would cover 10,000 Crowns in 40 turns, which is almost the entirety of the quest to-date, and the update references multiple tens of thousands. Unless both Mathilde and Boney are immortal, it's still absolutely giving up money for EIC spy coverage.
IIRC, this is the return (and a pretty healthy one!) while the EIC is still mostly reinvesting its profits. We just wouldn't know what to do with that money, so we're just making the problem worse for future Mathilde for now.

This is also before the dwarf channel (on which the EIC has a very strong presence) has really kicked in (IIRC, it has opened now), before the spider silk has come online (on which the EIC has a very strong grip), before the trade route to the elfs, and before the channel to Kislev. A lot of the big money makers aren't even here yet.

With the infusion from this, the EIC can establish a firm dominance on a trade route that includes the main parts of the Karaz Ankor, Kiselv, and the nice Wood Elfs, with connections to most of the empire and two different seas. The EIC can end up making Marienburg levels of cash. That's strategically relevant money. So it's not just spy coverage. It's political influence, and it's making sure Mathilde can bankroll future waystone or other project actions on her own. Up to and including hiring an army to retake a nexus.
Admittedly, Eike proved that she's quite above the average when it comes to Intrigue, on top of having the Mark of Ulgu. That'd be enough to make a lot of people interested in her.
Also her closest relative is head of an important trade concern, and she's expected to inherit. She could be lacking intrigue skill and the Mark, and the Bursar would still be interested.
 
My personal vote will likely be:

[ ] [ITHILMAR] Trade Goods

[ ] Initiate
[ ] Dooming and Quickening
[ ] Witch Hunter
[ ] Entrance Examination
[ ] Orb Reveal

Initiate is an obligation as local Head Wizard, Dooming and Quickening is an obligation as secret godmother, Witch Hunter because I'm curious, Entrance Examination because I want to influence where Mandred goes and make sure he doesn't end up in a College that doesn't fit him, Orb Reveal because the sooner the Colleges have the Orbs the sooner they can start using them and 6 months is a significant delay, and Trade Goods because that seems to be the most beneficial in the long-term.
 
I'm torn on the Ithilmar action.

On the one hand, precious jewels seems like the best fit for the reason we originally took this action; On the other hand, I'm convinced by the arguments that expanding the EIC is both expanding it as a information network, and also feel like it would help to tie the Empire to more of its neighbors and allies through trade.

Uh, sure. If this d5000 is ten or less then it'll be one of the very few named Undumgi.

Edit: The second d50 was a misclick. Apparently the diceroller maxes out at d100. So that works out to 505, I think.
This roll has me laughing.
Boney: "So, if ten or less..." *implying dice as different digit places*
The dice: "You know, we could do a really funny joke here." *rolls sum value ten*

EDIT: This, and the mistake it naturally leads to, has me imagining it translating to Mathilde being introduced to the prospective-wizard child by someone she knows, only to realize it's not actually their kid.
 
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So I know the Chorfs had no seeds from the Oak of Ages as a rule, but what are the chances that it happened anyway?
We don't know exactly what the Chorfs listing plants from Athel Loren means.

Maybe in that case, they just wanted right of first purchase on whatever it was, and didn't find the nut interesting?
 
Honestly, either a Bilbo shirt or the jewels seem like great deals.

We don't actually have that much money, and there is no doubt whatsoever that there is going to be an absolute monstrous amount of cool shit to buy at Lothern. Greatest trading port in the world! In the magical land of the elves!

Elves whom are very rich, but with this much cash, we should be able to get some very sweet loot.

Bilbo shirt speaks for itself, it's literally the best armor for a mage in the world as far as materials go. Investing in personal protection has paid off every single time.

Trade goods isn't really money- unless we finally start to see serious returns from the EIC, it's going to be dozens of turns to get a similar return. It sort of feels like the selfless options, tbh, and I would like to be selfish every now and then.
 
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Bilbo shirt speaks for itself, it's literally the best armor for a mage in the world as far as materials go. Investing in personal protection has paid off every single time.
Eh, the rule seems to be money never buys the very best stuff by itself. If you want top of the line gear then you go foil an invasion or something.
 
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