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There's a banner that warns you about thread necro. if it's not there, it's fine.
In case of an effort post, and just 40 days, i wouldn't consider it necro.
Also, take my advice with a pinch of salt: I'm not a moderator
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
In case of an effort post, and just 40 days, i wouldn't consider it necro.
Also, take my advice with a pinch of salt: I'm not a moderator
There is a banner, that is why I am asking. Thanks for the response.
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There are no rules against posting in old threads, only against posting things that don't add significantly to the discussion.
If you're making an effort-post you're definitely adding significantly to the discussion, so it should be fine.
Especially as there's still an open vote, and every chance it will continue at some point.
Thanks for the response!
Speaking of effort-posts, I've been reworking parts of my Lady post (it's now closer to 3000 words) and one problem that I'm dealing with is that there is a lot of canon material on The Lady but I don't know a lot of it and I don't know how much of it is quest canon. Halétha was easy because there's barely anything about her in canon and something like a third of the arguments for her were quest original, but with The Lady that's not really the case.
I think I'm going to end up posting it with a few references to the wiki and leave it to the thread to add more evidence for and against the theory from canon sources, but I kind of worry that this won't end up happening as thread interest in the daughters has peaked close to the Faith update and seems to have steeply declined since. So if any of you care about the daughters and have something from canon that proves The Lady [might be/definitely isn't] one of them please let me know.
I think I'm going to end up posting it with a few references to the wiki and leave it to the thread to add more evidence for and against the theory from canon sources, but I kind of worry that this won't end up happening as thread interest in the daughters has peaked close to the Faith update and seems to have steeply declined since. So if any of you care about the daughters and have something from canon that proves The Lady [might be/definitely isn't] one of them please let me know.
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I'm familiar with 6th Edition Bretonnia Army Book and 2nd Edition WFRP Knights of the Grail as well as the Mousillon supplement, but despite those being within strike range of the areas that Boney draws from in regards to canon material, Bretonnia is in a weird spot. I have posted plenty of material about canonical Bretonnia in the thread and Boney has not enjoyed any of it. It's too grimdark to maintain SOD for most of the thread. I can poke at your eventual post in regards to canon material but I don't know how much it would help. I read canon material, I don't read Boney's mind to tell how he'll eventually decide to portray the Lady.
For example, the Lady is the only Goddess I know of with different strictures for men and women, and it deliberately reinforces the gender roles of Bretonnia and the sexism inherent in that society. Will Boney include that? I don't know. A big shrug is what I got on Bretonnia at this point.
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And going the other way, there's some speculation that the Isle of Circe that Odysseus travelled to might have been one of the Scottish isles.
At the very least, we know there was a lot of tin mining activity in Cornwall during the bronze age, and the people they were most likely selling it to were probably the Minoans and other Mediterranean states.
I can already see the collegiate debate forming:
-Utilitarian - If it has relevant effects on a large scale battlefield in a single casting, it is Battle Magic. Have to bonk a wiseass annually for bringing up Burning Shadows with megastructures.
-Qualitative - If it makes use of the unique properties of the Winds at extreme concentrations, it is Battle Magic. Battle Magic of this nature cannot be optimized down regardless of effort.
-Quantitative - If it uses Battle Magic levels of magical energy, regardless of anything else, it is Battle Magic. If you optimize a spell enough it can stop being Battle Magic and enter general circulation.
But for practical purposes, probably Quantitative is the gate, since that is the main danger level.
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This is the case for several spells that I poined out have both regular variants and Battle Magic variants across the Lores. Fireball and Flaming Sword of Rhuin being the biggest examples of this, but there are others. Especially if you take older spell lists into account.
In fact, you could even make the argument that "Older Spell Lists" from older editions were examples of spells that used to be considered Battle Magic, but have since then been streamlined and reduced in difficulty so they no longer count as Battle Magic.
A perfect example of this is the Lore of Metal spell Law of Gold. In 6th and 7th Edition Law of Gold was a Battle Magic spell that negated a single magic item. It had a 50% chance to negate the item for a single turn, and a 50% chance of negating the item for the rest of the game. It was such a suboptimal spell that they straight up removed it in 8th Edition, but a way that you could reconcile Doylist reasoning with Watsonian reasoning is that the Colleges figured out that it was so horribly inefficient so they downgraded its effect and made it a Fiendishly Complex spell, and it remains there in their spell list to this day.
Another example could possibly be Fiery Blast. Fiery Blast was in 6th and 7th Edition, but it was replaced in 8th by Piercing Bolts of Burning. From an in-universe perspective, maybe they figured out a more efficient way of doing Fiery Blast so they downgraded it to Fiendishly Complex where it stays today, and Piercing Bolts took its place.
I just thought of something that suprised me concerning Johann, last turn we voted for him to "Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm" and while that section was fun I'm sort of incredulous he did not cast Breach the Unknown on it.
We know from previous studies that Breach the Unknown tends to be Johann's bread and butter when it comes to researching artifacts or materials and we also know he isnt afraid to cast it, the madman used it on silver flakes to have a vision of the Ancestor Gods after all.
It's really suprising he never used it on the arm since it could have shown him how previous owners wielded it and clarified who built it.
We know from previous studies that Breach the Unknown tends to be Johann's bread and butter when it comes to researching artifacts or materials and we also know he isnt afraid to cast it, the madman used it on silver flakes to have a vision of the Ancestor Gods after all.
It's really suprising he never used it on the arm since it could have shown him how previous owners wielded it and clarified who built it.
It's an active magical item. Using Breach the Unknown risks producing Dhar, which would then get pumped straight into his brain.
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Also, maybe it's simply not possible. Maybe the spell simply returns a "No Data" when used because it can't take ahold of the metal:
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He didn't expect that doing Breach the Unknown/Tale of Metal on flakes would get him a glimpse of the Ancestor Gods, and certainly not what he got. Instant conversion is a rather extreme response to seeing them, so I imagine it taught him a very valuable lesson on Breach the Unknown/Tale of Metal. He knew what the flakes were and who had brought them out of the ground, in this case he doesn't even know who made it. He just knows it's an unbelievably complex magical artifact with abilities out of the reach of all the College's teachings.
Also, Breach the Unknown gives all the details of a particular object. Tale of Metal is what gets you a vision of its creation. Either spell might have literally melted his brain if it included an Old One in the process. That's the worst case scenario and possibly unlikely, but I'd slap him atop the head if he thought it was a good idea to analyse the Arm even only with IC information. If a prosthetic arm can let a Gold Wizard cast a Battle Magic spell from a different lore, you know that there's a possibility it could melt your brain. The Ancestor God thing gives him a better reason to not do it, rather than being evidence that he would have done it.
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I found that YouTube channel I talked about. Tasting History. I still don't know whether I first stumbled upon it here or elsewhere though.
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I was rereading an older update in preparation for my Laurelorn post to get all the details right, and I decided to reread even the less relevant sections. When I came across this quote again, I had a thought:
"Yes, but you won't take away the stain of these charges. If you'll clear my name, I'll give up my glove. My dear, dear lord, the greatest treasure in our earthly lives is to have a good reputation. Without that, men are nothing. To have a brave spirit is as valuable as a well-guarded jewel. My honor is my life. One is inseparable from the other. Take my honor, and my life is over. So, my lord, let me prove my honor, since I live for it and I will die for it."
BTW, this is translated into Modern English. You can probably tell. For those who want the actual literal words:
This phrase had a certain cadence to it, like it was a practiced phrase. I wondered whether Boney was inspired by any particular work of fiction because I thought it sounded vaguely familiar. I found something sort of similar in Shakespeare's King Richard Act 1 Scene 1 Page 7 from Thomas Mowbray. I think I did King Richard in school, but I certainly don't remember the context:
"Yes, but you won't take away the stain of these charges. If you'll clear my name, I'll give up my glove. My dear, dear lord, the greatest treasure in our earthly lives is to have a good reputation. Without that, men are nothing. To have a brave spirit is as valuable as a well-guarded jewel. My honor is my life. One is inseparable from the other. Take my honor, and my life is over. So, my lord, let me prove my honor, since I live for it and I will die for it."
BTW, this is translated into Modern English. You can probably tell. For those who want the actual literal words:
Yea, but not change his spots: take but my shame.
And I resign my gage. My dear dear lord,
The purest treasure mortal times afford
Is spotless reputation: that away,
Men are but gilded loam or painted clay.
A jewel in a ten-times-barr'd-up chest
Is a bold spirit in a loyal breast.
Mine honour is my life; both grow in one:
Take honour from me, and my life is done:
Then, dear my liege, mine honour let me try;
In that I live and for that will I die.
And I resign my gage. My dear dear lord,
The purest treasure mortal times afford
Is spotless reputation: that away,
Men are but gilded loam or painted clay.
A jewel in a ten-times-barr'd-up chest
Is a bold spirit in a loyal breast.
Mine honour is my life; both grow in one:
Take honour from me, and my life is done:
Then, dear my liege, mine honour let me try;
In that I live and for that will I die.
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Continuing my dive, which is becoming more and more of a reread as I develop a greater perspective over things I suppose:
That connection is probably what Ulric exploited to get a hold on Mathilde. Taal can affect Mathilde because she's in his Holy City, and Ranald clearly can and has boosted her before because of their connection. Ulric needed a little more than just howling to get a hold on her. I guess that's where Wolf comes in.
Either way, I have a feeling that when it comes to divine discussion, Ulric is incredibly interesting. What is he? Who is he? What is his REAL story? Not the mythologised stories about him holding back Chaos singlehandedly and saving the world and smashing the Chaos Gods' heads in. We might never know, but I think Ranald is connected to him in some way.
I mean, c'mon. Mathilde learnt that Panoramia was accessing the waystones in Karak Eight Peaks from an offhand comment on their first date. Either Panoramia is extremely irreverent of her traditions and the need to keep secrets, or it was never much of a secret in the first place. It could be that Panoramia was super comfortable and just spit it out and never noticed that she blurted out a secret, or maybe this is indeed a case of Panoramia's family being special. I don't know.
First things first, because this is very important. I thought Little Franz was a Dwarf. Not really sure why. But that is never mentioned and he participated in the Battle of Kvinn Wyr, which if I remember correctly only the Undumgi went in there. So I've decided to update his profile. I've also added Dromgar Angrund in the K8P section for what it's worth. Lots of question marks on that one:
This passage is more significant with the latest update. Mathilde looks into the Sacred Flame of Ulric and feels its divine cold, but beyond that, Wolf perks up at Mathilde looking at the flames and feels confused. It's later mentioned by the Ar-Ulric that Wolf will not die of Ulric, implying Ranald laid a claim on him, but that doesn't mean Ulric's wolf domain disappeared. As long as Wolf remains a wolf, he's going to feel an odd connection to Ulric. Albeit a confused one, because his soul is already spoken for.
That connection is probably what Ulric exploited to get a hold on Mathilde. Taal can affect Mathilde because she's in his Holy City, and Ranald clearly can and has boosted her before because of their connection. Ulric needed a little more than just howling to get a hold on her. I guess that's where Wolf comes in.
I interpret "reflected radiance" here to refer to Heidi specifically casting a spell or activating some sort of divine power here. This is interesting in that none of the canon spells have an effect like this, but it has intriguing implications. My interpretation of this is that she cast something that gave her some sort of idea for the probability of something going wrong. I imagine it's the kind of spell that she'd cast before taking a risky gamble in order to find if the odds favor her. If not, then she'll tilt the odds in her favor. Seems like a Gambler Spell.
This is the Ar-Ulric mentioning that Wolf has been detached from Ulric, but interestingly enough he doesn't seem to be able to notice if Wolf still "retains the nature of the wolf". I suppose even for a High Priest, sensing stuff like that is pretty hard.
This part is funny in retrospect considering current conversations. Mathilde never noticed anything particularly special about the refugees, so she never wrote about it, despite its importance. This fits right in with the whole "everyone knows this why write it down" thing the thread was recently talking about.
I find it interesting that Cadaeth says that "our Ulthuani cousins have reached an accord with Mathlann" instead of referring to some sort of Eonir House or group that has reached an accord themselves. I feel like if there was an example closer to home she would have used it. I suppose Mathlann isn't popular in Laurelorn? I suppose the main city wouldn't care too much because Tor Lithanel is pretty far from the coast. There might be people who venerate him closer to the coast, but they're probably too minor a group to be considered a major presence in Laurelorn. The Major Houses hold all the power after all. Well, them and the Wardens, but we don't really know much about Kaia, who would probably be closest to Mathlann (literally the "Storm"witch).
This is an interesting discussion because of its ironic relevance. I've mentioned multiple times that Liljiana's talk about Ranald heavily parallels Loec's story with Elinill, and it seems to imply that the Kislevite pantheon are surviving Elinilli. Ulric has some simialrities to the Elinilli and he has a longlasting dislike of Ranald, which fits with the Kislevite Pantheon. Of course, it could be that that one story about Ulric saving the entire world is actually the correct one and Ranald and Ulric were brothers until Ranald abandoned Ulric, but I find that one dubious even if it holds some interesting tidbits.
Either way, I have a feeling that when it comes to divine discussion, Ulric is incredibly interesting. What is he? Who is he? What is his REAL story? Not the mythologised stories about him holding back Chaos singlehandedly and saving the world and smashing the Chaos Gods' heads in. We might never know, but I think Ranald is connected to him in some way.
I find it interesting that our Patriarch Algard, who seems so knowledgable and well learned, doesn't know that Journeywoman like Panoramia can tap into the powers of the Waystones. Is Panoramia special in that she inherited specific traditions from her mother that not all Jades get access to? Is it a more tightly held secret in Altdorf? Does Algard not interact with Jades a lot? Maybe Paranoth is his main contact and Paranoth doesn't have access to those techniques because he actively fights the traditionalist faction.
I mean, c'mon. Mathilde learnt that Panoramia was accessing the waystones in Karak Eight Peaks from an offhand comment on their first date. Either Panoramia is extremely irreverent of her traditions and the need to keep secrets, or it was never much of a secret in the first place. It could be that Panoramia was super comfortable and just spit it out and never noticed that she blurted out a secret, or maybe this is indeed a case of Panoramia's family being special. I don't know.
I think it's funny that Karaz-a-Karak still has access to Karaz Ghumzul's Book of Grudges despite the bad blood and the secession and all that stuff. I find it funny that it was one of the stuff the Karaz Ghumzul dwarves brought out of their fallen holds and gave to Karaz-a-Karak. I would have expected the Karaz Ghumzul Dwarves who stayed in the Empire would hold on to it instead of giving it to the migrants.
Dawi kings were supposed to meet regularly (or semi-regularly in troubled times) in Karaz-a-Karak to have the important Grudges recorded, see what Grudges were struck out and generally plan together.
Not sure if the recent 7010 session was on schedule or a result of K8P and Vlag getting recovered. At any rate Karaz-a-Karak should have Grudgelore from all holds up to very nearly the date they got lost.
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Yeah, but Ghumzul seceded during the War of Vengeance, and was abandoned hundreds of years later.
Would any Grudges after secession even count for the greater Karaz Ankor?
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Belegar was looking for Grudges levied after the War of Vengeance, after Laurelorn declared its independence, because it would give him a starting point of them as an entity. If the after secession Grudges didn't count, then it wouldn't make sense to call for the Book. They seceded during the War.
As an aside:
I just realised that the Grey Lords didn't consist entirely of the exiled Archmages of Ulthuan. It was only "bolstered" by them, which means that at least the initial Grey Lords consisted of some non-exiled Archmages from this expedition:
The Everqueen's expedition. This probably explains why Marrisith's uncle is one of the 12 current Grey Lords. He was likely part of the organisation or something.
Also, I need this for my eventual post. What is the geography equivalent for cities? Like, if I'm going over all the features of a city and stuff like I'm talking about geography, what do you call the analysis in a single word?
I've been thinking of possible Windherding projects that aren't just Windherding training sessions which also happen to create some dubiously useful trinket and I suddenly realized that we have a gyrocarriage. Remember our gyrocarriage? We have one, which is ours. Used a boon to get it. It's easy to forget because we haven't done a single thing with it so far. But you know what we could do with it, that we couldn't do with a loan? We can enchant it and cast spells on it.
What spells, exactly?
The following spells have obvious applications in the improvement of a gyrocopter. In no particular order:
Stoke the Forge (Gold, Relatively Simple) / Inextinguishable flame (Bright, Moderately Complicated):
Can be used on the engine to obvious effect. Stoke the forge makes the flame hotter and inextinguishable flame doesn't (I think) but Stoke the forge lasts one hour while Inextinguishable flame lasts for months. Both make it so that the flame doesn't consume fuel, which is generally convenient and possibly life saving in the case of a fuel leak.
Enchant Item (Gold, Fiendishly Complex):
Makes an item better for an hour. We probably can't permanently enchant the whole thing with it (can you even permanently enchant objects with enchant item? Feels like cheating) but using it on specific components of the gyrocarriage could be really useful.
Law of Form (Gold, Relatively Simple):
Could maybe be used to strengthen parts of the copter in case of damage, making them hold for long enough to make an emergency landing? Honestly this one might end up not being that useful, but worth mentioning.
Lens on the Sky (Celestial, Relatively Simple):
Could be useful when scouting. Mathilde already knows how to create magical lens with her tool-free enchantment spells, but I imagine the celestial version is better for seeing things at a distance.
Clear Sky (Celestial, Moderately Complicated):
Could help flying in hard weather conditions. Dispelling a single cloud doesn't sound like much, but maybe we can get an enchantment that can cast the spell a number of times per charge.
Lightning Bolt (Celestial, Moderately Complicated) / Wind Blast (Celestial, Moderately Complicated) / Lightning Storm (Celestial, Fiendishly Complex):
If the gyrocarriage is in aerial combat things have probably already gone terribly wrong, but it might be a good idea to have some combat capabilities just in case.
Wings of Heaven (Celestial, Moderately Complicated):
Not really for the gyrocarriage itself, but this might serve as an emergancy parachute.
Why is this a good idea?
Next turn we will hopefully hire Adela as our full time pilot. Adela, a Bright wizard which specializes in engineering and which knows how to cast Inextinguishable flame. Already on WEB-MAT's roster is Max, which also has an interest in dwarven craftsmanship and knows how to cast Stoke the Forge, Enchant Item and Law of Form. Neither is an enchanter, which is kind of a problem, but a solvable one: we have two master enchanters in WEB-MAT that can teach them, and we can send them to the Colleges to take classes. As our first enchanting project on the gyrocarriage we can do Stoke the Forge + Inextinguishable flame. Those are relatively simple and moderately complicated, so it's not that crazy for our second foray into Windherding. And a gyrocarriage is a much bigger enchanting platform than, say, a ring, which should make the enchanting process easier. Actually, since Inextinguishable flame is such a long lasting spell, maybe we'll end up creating a combination spell or something rather than enchant the copter. And if that idea falls through there are still numerous spells we could put on the gyrocarriage, from three different lores of magic. There's probably some Windherding project in there.
I admit that this is probably going to take more AP than a simple 'make small object with Egrimm' project, as we're either going to teach some members of WEB-MAT enchanting or hire enchanters from the Colleges, but on every other level I prefer this to any proposed Windherding project by a whole lot. Not only will this give us something we will actually use, rather than something we'll hand over to some side character, this is a project that could really contribute to the Empire and which characters in the story are interested in. Adela is going to love a project integrating magic into dwarven engineering - that's pretty much why she came to Karak Eight Peaks. Mathilde is pretty much the only person capable of doing a project like that, because other wizards do not get complex dwarven devices to experiment with. And a paper on the use of magic in the enhancement of complex engineering will have a clear and immediate use to many wizards in the Empire at large and in the army in particular. I'm not saying we should do this right away, but after we get Adela as a pilot we should have her and Max do some experiments with their spells and see what would make for good enchantments, and then we can work with them on that.
What spells, exactly?
The following spells have obvious applications in the improvement of a gyrocopter. In no particular order:
Stoke the Forge (Gold, Relatively Simple) / Inextinguishable flame (Bright, Moderately Complicated):
Can be used on the engine to obvious effect. Stoke the forge makes the flame hotter and inextinguishable flame doesn't (I think) but Stoke the forge lasts one hour while Inextinguishable flame lasts for months. Both make it so that the flame doesn't consume fuel, which is generally convenient and possibly life saving in the case of a fuel leak.
Enchant Item (Gold, Fiendishly Complex):
Makes an item better for an hour. We probably can't permanently enchant the whole thing with it (can you even permanently enchant objects with enchant item? Feels like cheating) but using it on specific components of the gyrocarriage could be really useful.
Law of Form (Gold, Relatively Simple):
Could maybe be used to strengthen parts of the copter in case of damage, making them hold for long enough to make an emergency landing? Honestly this one might end up not being that useful, but worth mentioning.
Lens on the Sky (Celestial, Relatively Simple):
Could be useful when scouting. Mathilde already knows how to create magical lens with her tool-free enchantment spells, but I imagine the celestial version is better for seeing things at a distance.
Clear Sky (Celestial, Moderately Complicated):
Could help flying in hard weather conditions. Dispelling a single cloud doesn't sound like much, but maybe we can get an enchantment that can cast the spell a number of times per charge.
Lightning Bolt (Celestial, Moderately Complicated) / Wind Blast (Celestial, Moderately Complicated) / Lightning Storm (Celestial, Fiendishly Complex):
If the gyrocarriage is in aerial combat things have probably already gone terribly wrong, but it might be a good idea to have some combat capabilities just in case.
Wings of Heaven (Celestial, Moderately Complicated):
Not really for the gyrocarriage itself, but this might serve as an emergancy parachute.
Why is this a good idea?
Next turn we will hopefully hire Adela as our full time pilot. Adela, a Bright wizard which specializes in engineering and which knows how to cast Inextinguishable flame. Already on WEB-MAT's roster is Max, which also has an interest in dwarven craftsmanship and knows how to cast Stoke the Forge, Enchant Item and Law of Form. Neither is an enchanter, which is kind of a problem, but a solvable one: we have two master enchanters in WEB-MAT that can teach them, and we can send them to the Colleges to take classes. As our first enchanting project on the gyrocarriage we can do Stoke the Forge + Inextinguishable flame. Those are relatively simple and moderately complicated, so it's not that crazy for our second foray into Windherding. And a gyrocarriage is a much bigger enchanting platform than, say, a ring, which should make the enchanting process easier. Actually, since Inextinguishable flame is such a long lasting spell, maybe we'll end up creating a combination spell or something rather than enchant the copter. And if that idea falls through there are still numerous spells we could put on the gyrocarriage, from three different lores of magic. There's probably some Windherding project in there.
I admit that this is probably going to take more AP than a simple 'make small object with Egrimm' project, as we're either going to teach some members of WEB-MAT enchanting or hire enchanters from the Colleges, but on every other level I prefer this to any proposed Windherding project by a whole lot. Not only will this give us something we will actually use, rather than something we'll hand over to some side character, this is a project that could really contribute to the Empire and which characters in the story are interested in. Adela is going to love a project integrating magic into dwarven engineering - that's pretty much why she came to Karak Eight Peaks. Mathilde is pretty much the only person capable of doing a project like that, because other wizards do not get complex dwarven devices to experiment with. And a paper on the use of magic in the enhancement of complex engineering will have a clear and immediate use to many wizards in the Empire at large and in the army in particular. I'm not saying we should do this right away, but after we get Adela as a pilot we should have her and Max do some experiments with their spells and see what would make for good enchantments, and then we can work with them on that.
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I took a pause because I think I was quite amused at an observation that I've had:
The "Children" that Cadaeth keeps mentioning are these Lornalim Ithil, which she's growing on the ruins of Oldenlitz, which was apparently camped over some source of silver considering all the Lornalim Ithil she's been growing to expand the groves. As a side note, the Verdan Lauroi might be the reason that the initial name for Laurelorn was Loren Lauroi, which I believe means "Realm of Gold". It's also what Laurelorn is derived from.
In Archives, there's also an additional note to add to the Lornalims. Page 79 of Archives of the Empire says this: "The moss that grows on lornalim trees is called Moonflower by Elves (Humans call it Elven Hair — see WFRP, page 306). Moonflower can be boiled to produce an inhalant capable of curing Black Plague in Elves — in other species it merely acts as an, admittedly powerful, sedative. Desperate Characters who cannot acquire this rare medicine from an apothecary might brave the Laurelorn instead."
First, I want to talk a little about this section, which I can't remember how much it was remarked on. In 4th Edition Archives of the Empire, there are two very interesting places in the Ward of the Sun known as Verdan Lauroi and Verdan Ithil, which basically stands for Golden Woods and Silver Woods respectively. Cadaeth mentions here that the Woods used to be more than a few well guarded glades, which is what they are in canon. She then explains the Lornalim to us. To be more exact about what the Lornalim is, in Archives it's a moss covered coniferous tree with a dense canopy that blocks out sunlight but has veins of either silver or gold, which according to Cadaeth here, is representative of the metals that the trees rely on. There are two types of Lornalim, Lornalim Ithil and Lornalim Lauroi, representing Silver and Gold. Both serve as waystone tributaries that absorb magic and funnel it to the big boy Waystones. If the gold or silver is extracted, the implication is that the trees die.
The "Children" that Cadaeth keeps mentioning are these Lornalim Ithil, which she's growing on the ruins of Oldenlitz, which was apparently camped over some source of silver considering all the Lornalim Ithil she's been growing to expand the groves. As a side note, the Verdan Lauroi might be the reason that the initial name for Laurelorn was Loren Lauroi, which I believe means "Realm of Gold". It's also what Laurelorn is derived from.
In Archives, there's also an additional note to add to the Lornalims. Page 79 of Archives of the Empire says this: "The moss that grows on lornalim trees is called Moonflower by Elves (Humans call it Elven Hair — see WFRP, page 306). Moonflower can be boiled to produce an inhalant capable of curing Black Plague in Elves — in other species it merely acts as an, admittedly powerful, sedative. Desperate Characters who cannot acquire this rare medicine from an apothecary might brave the Laurelorn instead."
By the way, I think I've found the root of Mathilde's attraction to Cadaeth. Cadaeth is very hot, that's a given. But I think Mathilde has given her a bit more attention than the usual attractive person. I think an amusing possibility behind that is that it isn't just her physicality, which Mathilde isn't very fond of checking out, but her soul/spirit that is attractive. Cadaeth has been mentioned several times as having an expansive soul, and in here what attracts Mathilde's attention is the way her soul flows from tree to tree to nurture them like a mother. That is what makes Mathilde think she's intriguing. Another part of her is telling her to not get too attached because she might be a spirit and we know where that stuff goes. Considering her internal thoughts on what Cadaeth might do with people she lures to her home, that's definitely a consideration.
This is Panoramia outright implying that Mathilde finds showings of magical ability to be attractive, and is further reinforced by:
I think it's very funny that it's not the skimpy clothing that distracts Mathilde, it's the soul magic.
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I don't think there is a single English word for this. "Urban geography" is the best I've got.
I like your thinking here, but I want to point out that it is definitely pretty crazy for a second foray:
We'd need to get Adela up to being able to enchant Moderately Complicated in addition to one of the Golden Boys to RS, and then we'd need to do a three-way collaborative enchantment. That's a minimum of four WEBMAT AP involved, at a higher level of difficulty than standard Ulgu + something Windherding, and bringing Adela on as an enchanter and not just a pilot requires dedicating AP to managing her:
So while I am all about tricking out our gyrocarriage eventually, I think probably the best way to do it is to spend CF to hire College enchanters to collaborate with, rather than dedicating AP to trying to raise up our employees as enchanters from scratch, a skillset they are by no means guaranteed to take to.
I'm not sure I get the point about bringing Adela on as an enchanter - is it saying that if we recruit Adela as a pilot we can never again ask her to do anything else? How does that work? I thought the point was that Adela can be a pilot on a regular basis without a single AP each turn going to an '[ ] ADELA: Be a pilot', and she's not going to require us to spend an AP every two out of three turns because she has a full time job, but we can still occasionally use her for other projects at the cost of AP.
The point on three wizards rather than two is well taken, but I think we can have Adela and Max lay the groundwork for us even if the eventual enchanting project is done by College hired enchanters: they can experiment with casting their respective spells on the Gyrocarriage and see how it goes, and that expermination may end up making the eventual enchanting project less difficult. An Adela in particular has the perfect trait for that kind of research.
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