Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Considering this is what Mathilde's research turned up, I'm pretty sure she does not know what happened to them and definitely not to their gear:
Being in Laurelorn doesn't mean she'd figure this out naturally. I doubt she would go up to the citizens to ask them what happened to the throng that wanted to kill their ancestors.
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I suspect that the reason its part of little waaagh is entirely mechanical. Forest Goblins straight up hold more to worship of arachnaroks than they do Gork and Mork, thought thats not to say they do not worship them either. Entirely conjecture, but i suspect Spider-god is either Arachnarok that was elevated to nigh-divine/daemon status by the power of Waaagh constantly working its ... well, magic? ... upon one of the more ancient Arachnaroks residing in that particular forest or one that came to be naturally by weight of worship.
If we had stayed in K8P maybe we could have tried to do more study of the Waagh, between our traits and the fact that we once ripped the field off a bunch of orcs maybe we would even be able to create a spell that does that consistently, a banish waagh spell if you will that makes greenskins demoralized into flight, sort of like a specialized fear spell, that is part of Ulgu's themes.
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So, a question about Johann and his mentor.
Was Gehenna already a Lady Magister when she took him on or still a Battle Wizard?
And what are the rules/tradition/practice of mentorship both ways between the lines of the those headed for the Magister track and those headed for the Battle Wizard track?
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Bit of a late response, but some candidates might be landmarks, districts, or quarters, depending on how you're organizing it.
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Sneak Peak, now to wait three weeks for it to be finished.
Idea first came to me from playing Library of Ruina. Everyone wears sick as fuck suits in that game. Mathilde def be part of either Liu or Zwei association tho.
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Happy fourth birthday to the quest. To celebrate, the universe got me what I really hope is the flu. Yaaay.
While I do have a habit of stealing resonant lines from classic literature, this one is straight from the canonical Gotrek taking the Slayer Oath: "I am a Dwarf! My honour is my life and without it I am nothing. I shall become a Slayer. I shall seek redemption in the eyes of my ancestors. I shall become as death to my enemies, until I face he that takes my life and my shame."
I think it's just 'urban geography'. Most fields that study cities do so with an eye to changing them, like urban planning and urbanism, which I don't think you're going for here.
The flame isn't an automated system that burns everyone below an Ulrican faith threshold. Ulric decides whether the person in question burns or not, and Ulric decided not to burn Magnus. Just as Taal decided to send a holy stag to glare at the population of Talabheim, and Manaan decided to send Triton to wave his trident threateningly at Marienburg.
Cooking does. Farming and herding doesn't.
No.
Cityscape, perhaps?
It got destroyed.
No.
Lady Magister.
It's not allowed.
This looks like it's going to be great, Mathilde looks dapper as hell.
While I do have a habit of stealing resonant lines from classic literature, this one is straight from the canonical Gotrek taking the Slayer Oath: "I am a Dwarf! My honour is my life and without it I am nothing. I shall become a Slayer. I shall seek redemption in the eyes of my ancestors. I shall become as death to my enemies, until I face he that takes my life and my shame."
I think it's just 'urban geography'. Most fields that study cities do so with an eye to changing them, like urban planning and urbanism, which I don't think you're going for here.
The flame isn't an automated system that burns everyone below an Ulrican faith threshold. Ulric decides whether the person in question burns or not, and Ulric decided not to burn Magnus. Just as Taal decided to send a holy stag to glare at the population of Talabheim, and Manaan decided to send Triton to wave his trident threateningly at Marienburg.
Cooking does. Farming and herding doesn't.
No.
Cityscape, perhaps?
It got destroyed.
No.
Lady Magister.
It's not allowed.
Sneak Peak, now to wait three weeks for it to be finished.
Idea first came to me from playing Library of Ruina. Everyone wears sick as fuck suits in that game. Mathilde def be part of either Liu or Zwei association tho.
This looks like it's going to be great, Mathilde looks dapper as hell.
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Holy shit yeeesss!!! I've recently gotten into that game too. (I think she'd be Shi)Sneak Peak, now to wait three weeks for it to be finished.
Idea first came to me from playing Library of Ruina. Everyone wears sick as fuck suits in that game. Mathilde def be part of either Liu or Zwei association tho.
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If I had to make a guess, I would say that Mathilde would perhaps be more in line with the Öufi Association as an enforcer of Contracts. Which is affiliated a lot with the high concentration of gambling, casinos, and other forms of recreation games with some sort of stake. As I can easily imagine her being in the detective/insurance fraud/contract witness role within the City, based on not only her Patron Deity but also her liking of how Dawi handles Oaths.
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...that makes Belegar quoting it all the more unsettling in retrospect.
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If keeping with the overall theme of the quest. I'd pin her down as a Ex-Udjat who grew a conscience and dipped, climbed the ladder, and joined up with Mirae Insurance. Handling contract dispuits between Fixers and those who hired them. As much as I love her, she does not quite have the BUILT DIFFERENT aura to be a color. That shit is a state of mind more so than ability. Her EGO would be absolutely wack though.
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Happy fourth birthday to the quest! I hope you get better soon. Best wishes to your health.
This also made me realise how close the quest's birthday is to my actual birthday. Only five days apart (24th).
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Quick analysis of a few things. The narrative in Laurelorn has expanded on the Forestborn and Cityborn differences to a great extent, but a summary:
The Grey Lords. They're composed of the initial research organisation organised by the Everqueen into Laurelorn and bolstered by exiled Archmages from Ulthuan, and they helped get rid of the Dwarven throng attacking Laurelorn. They reside within the Dreaming Wood, accessible throughout Laurelorn:
In regards to Kindreds, referred to as Kithbands in Laurelorn:
Ok, so let's look at Asrai Kindreds and see what can or can't be applied based on the situations. I'll be using the Wiki to make this simple instead of having to jump back and forth across books, although I could do that if I wanted to:
A quick overview of major landmarks:
Tarn of Tears, the source of magic of Laurelorn:
The capabilities of the Cityborn vs the Forestborn:
They have access to ancient pacts, summons, enchantments, ithilmar and all manner of wonders as opposed to the scale and bark and wooden arrows of the Forestborn skirmishers.
The Grey Lords. They're composed of the initial research organisation organised by the Everqueen into Laurelorn and bolstered by exiled Archmages from Ulthuan, and they helped get rid of the Dwarven throng attacking Laurelorn. They reside within the Dreaming Wood, accessible throughout Laurelorn:
The Dreaming Wood is a liminal realm within magical forests like Laurelorn and it is known in Athel Loren as Athel Caielllin, and described as "It is a realm of grim prophecy and stark terror, of endless magic and daemonic malice." All things considered, that's just Athel Loren. The Dreaming Wood is most accessible from the Wishing Wood, known as the Verdan Lithridom, a section of the forest that grows dark, dense needle leaved conifers and is ringed by waystones a little ways away from Tor Lithanel. Making an offering at the Waystones and sleeping at the outskirts allows either wonderful dreams or terrible nightmares to visit your sleep, both useful for aspiring artists. There was also some discussion on a "Dreaming Diet", whatever that looks like:
The Grey Lords are twelve people with immense magical power, separate from the other inhabitants of Laurelorn (I'm not sure if Hatalath was referring to Forestborn, Cityborn and Grey Lords and disregarding Spirits, or if he was lumping City and Forestborn together, putting Spirits in there and then the Grey Lords) who maintain Laurelorn:
Aside from the deed they performed to save Tor Lithanel, the Grey Lords apparently fix and/or craft equipment for the Eonir (the mention of widdershins columnar assemblage on a cuirass, which is quite the mouthful), they craft potions that make Elven blood poisonous to whoever attempts to eat them, and they've bound an innumerable number of spirits such as Spites to Laurelorn's service:
In terms of abilities, Lord Hatalath has also shown the capacity to animate a number of wooden constructs to perform tasks and teleport a section of the Wishing Wood into the Dreaming Wood through a dome of Marble, and then back into the Wishing Wood:
We have two examples of Spites that the Grey Lords have bound, Radiants, who are magic absorbers, and Mischiefs, who are mischeivous and cause drowsiness:
Other Spite types include Netlings, Shrikes, Terrors, Malevolents, Luminiscients and Despairs. There has been mention of Dryads in Laurelorn, but Tree Kin are described as being Athel Loren's thing by Mathilde's internal monologue, and it seems that at least the Ward of Frost has an interesting connection to spirits that might have caused a mix between Elf and Dryad. We might have seen two examples in the from of the Wardens we met and Cadaeth:
There has been a mention of "special arrows" by Galenstra, indicating a particularly expensive armament:
Athel Loren has a number of special arrows as well. Moonfire (blessed by baleful moonlight, anathema to Order), Starfire (carved from Starwood trees, anathema to Chaos and Darkness), Swiftshiver (carved from wood that is very light and strong that it seems to fly of its own accord, very fast), Trueflight (arrow with rudimentary sentience, tracks the target), Hagbane (arrows tipped with the "Callach's Claws", a deadly shard of poisonous material from Athel Loren), Arcane Bodkins (exceedingly sharp arrow that punches through armor), Hail of Doom arrow (arrow that splits into a hail of arrows). In 6th Edition Hagbane arrows were fashioned from deadwood taken from the Glade of Woe from Anmyr the Witherhold, which still contains Morghur's taint, and there used to be a Dragontooth Arrow, fashioned the tooth of a Forest Dragon and still contianing its poison. There was also the poisonous Briarthorn Javelins. Laurelorn could have some of these, none of these, or more than these.
In regards to Kindreds, referred to as Kithbands in Laurelorn:
Archives of the Empire Page 73 says this: "Vocational kindreds (for scouts, spellsingers, and so forth) are named after their Asrai counterparts, although Eonir rarely identify with peer groups beyond the local (Kithband) level."
Ok, so let's look at Asrai Kindreds and see what can or can't be applied based on the situations. I'll be using the Wiki to make this simple instead of having to jump back and forth across books, although I could do that if I wanted to:
Alter or Laith-Kourn: Probably less of a motivaiton to embrace the wild side while in Laurelorn, although I imagine some of the Forestborn might fall under this Kindred.
Eternal or Selathoi: Eternal Guard are important for protecting holy places and glades and the like. I'm certain Laurelorn has its equivalent for places like Verdan Ithil, Verdan Lauroi and other places.
Glade Rider or Sehenlu: Unfortunately, Laurelorn doesn't have a Meadow Glades like Athel Loren or wide sweeping plains like Ellyrion in Ulthuan, so horses are probably less significant considering the heavy forest environment. There is a wide open meadow around Tor Lithanel which might be suitable for grazing:
Glamourweave or Yenayla: The Eonir seem to maintain a distance between themselves and spirits even if they desire to achieve balance, so I'm not sure how much Glamourweavers are out there typically, but this seems like the Ward of Frost's thing.
Scout or Arahain: This seems like one of the most numerous Kithbands for the Forestborn.
Spellsingers or Kel-Isha: I imagine a decent amount of the Cityborn fall under this category. They certainly have an abundance of magic and knowledge. House Filuan might be the biggest group to call themselves Kel-Isha though. I would expect Tindomiel would have a Hekarti rune and Houses Thyriolan and Echtelion would have a Hoethian rune. Poor Lileath, ignored despite all the magic she gives to the Elves.
Wardancer or Caidath: Whatever the Loec house is would likely have this Kindred. Lots of Cityborn fall under vocational Kithbands relating to some form of artform or theatre or music, and that falls under Loec, but Wardancing is a specific subset.
Warrior or Lakoys: I don't think many of the Eonir dedicate themselves to warriorhood. Even Kadoh strikes me as more of an athlete than a warrior. Not that they don't fight, but dedicating yourself to war doesn't seem to be the Eonir way. In times of need however...
Waywatcher or Nymraif: Some Forestborn, probably some of House Fanpatar.
Wild Rider or Auryaur: I don't think they're relevant here. Seems more of an Orion thing. The Eonir might have an Asuryan equivalent.
Vengenace/Talu and Harioth/Younger: Enter when needed.
I don't think the Eonir have much if any Warhawks or Great Eagles considering the lack of mountains, so I also think they lack Hawk Riders.
Eternal or Selathoi: Eternal Guard are important for protecting holy places and glades and the like. I'm certain Laurelorn has its equivalent for places like Verdan Ithil, Verdan Lauroi and other places.
Glade Rider or Sehenlu: Unfortunately, Laurelorn doesn't have a Meadow Glades like Athel Loren or wide sweeping plains like Ellyrion in Ulthuan, so horses are probably less significant considering the heavy forest environment. There is a wide open meadow around Tor Lithanel which might be suitable for grazing:
but it's probably less significant than the horse riders of the other Elven polities.
Glamourweave or Yenayla: The Eonir seem to maintain a distance between themselves and spirits even if they desire to achieve balance, so I'm not sure how much Glamourweavers are out there typically, but this seems like the Ward of Frost's thing.
Scout or Arahain: This seems like one of the most numerous Kithbands for the Forestborn.
Spellsingers or Kel-Isha: I imagine a decent amount of the Cityborn fall under this category. They certainly have an abundance of magic and knowledge. House Filuan might be the biggest group to call themselves Kel-Isha though. I would expect Tindomiel would have a Hekarti rune and Houses Thyriolan and Echtelion would have a Hoethian rune. Poor Lileath, ignored despite all the magic she gives to the Elves.
Wardancer or Caidath: Whatever the Loec house is would likely have this Kindred. Lots of Cityborn fall under vocational Kithbands relating to some form of artform or theatre or music, and that falls under Loec, but Wardancing is a specific subset.
Warrior or Lakoys: I don't think many of the Eonir dedicate themselves to warriorhood. Even Kadoh strikes me as more of an athlete than a warrior. Not that they don't fight, but dedicating yourself to war doesn't seem to be the Eonir way. In times of need however...
Waywatcher or Nymraif: Some Forestborn, probably some of House Fanpatar.
Wild Rider or Auryaur: I don't think they're relevant here. Seems more of an Orion thing. The Eonir might have an Asuryan equivalent.
Vengenace/Talu and Harioth/Younger: Enter when needed.
I don't think the Eonir have much if any Warhawks or Great Eagles considering the lack of mountains, so I also think they lack Hawk Riders.
Tarn of Tears, the source of magic of Laurelorn:
The Rainbow Falls, where the magic of the Tarn releases into the air and where the Priests of Vaul, the Chamon and maybe Aqshy smiths, practice their craft:
There's more but I'm stopping here. I'm sure whoever's reading this is getting bored. This was not quick.
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I didn't notice the exact interplay of words being played here. Councillor Galrith starts the conversation by bringing up Mathilde's Wind and comparing it to his distant cousins, likely the Shadow Warriors of Nagarythe, to make a point about him feeling that there is more honor in doing the unsung labor than the legendary one. He then goes on to make a metaphor sort of like Galenstra, in that it uses his vocation and point of view to create a poetic metaphor. Poems are sung about the hunter, but the crafters are given so much less attention, reflecting his own situation, and he then directs it towards Mathilde by implying that despite her wind of shadow she is not doing the unsung work of the Shadow Warriors, but rather attempting to create a legend off the back of his House's work.
Mathilde's response to that was that "Elven Artisanry is legendary, so I came to you". Like Galrith said, she twisted his words to redirect the conversation, indicating that she definitely believes that he will be a part of the legend she is creating.
It's probably not the most elegant counterattack in all of history in regards to verbal fencing, but it was decent considering her lack of experience in this.
@Boney quick question.
What do the elf's we have hired for jobs such as book copying or building the house about this whole thing? Because Mathy has been throwing gold at the usually long term unemployed class of elf.
An odd, but one of gig?
A potential long term new market, or at last job as long as this human thing lasts.
And I wonder what they are thinking about their skills value in the empire. Can they tell that mathy is an unusually wealthily Bibliophile. Or are some of them wondering if 'elf scribe' might make them a good amount of money… lack of job opportunities has always been an mayor 'work abroad' factor.
Or is that something we need to investigate to get a read on.
What do the elf's we have hired for jobs such as book copying or building the house about this whole thing? Because Mathy has been throwing gold at the usually long term unemployed class of elf.
An odd, but one of gig?
A potential long term new market, or at last job as long as this human thing lasts.
And I wonder what they are thinking about their skills value in the empire. Can they tell that mathy is an unusually wealthily Bibliophile. Or are some of them wondering if 'elf scribe' might make them a good amount of money… lack of job opportunities has always been an mayor 'work abroad' factor.
Or is that something we need to investigate to get a read on.
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A bit of a theory on this. Mathilde doesn't know this, because it's pretty modern science (I don't know how modern tbh), but we know that our body moves because of electrical signals sent from the brain to the nervous system, and those signals send the instructions necessary for movement. We know that the arm doesn't interface with the brain, it simply connects to the socket and somehow interprets the electrical signals sent from the brain into motion from the nerves that it is connected to. This is fascinating and definitely requires some seriously complex work. The exact response time of the arm hasn't been mentioned, but if it's anything like human movement, then it's genuinely amazing how well the arm interfaces with the nervous system. Perhaps the Hysh being used here is there to "interpret" the signals into movements for the arm.
This could explain why it takes more Hysh to perform complex tasks than it is to achieve strength. A simple command like "Clench" isn't complex at all and is fairly easy to interpret, but moving the fingers in delicate patterns to write or draw something is much more complex and requires a lot more "signals" to be interpreted, which consequently consumes more energy.
What interests me is that Hysh is being used here to interpret the nervous system. Chamon is probably pretty good at "programming" because of the logic chain nature of it, and Azyr is connected to electricity so maybe it would have resonance here, but Hysh in this case might be utilising the "Harmony" aspect that it contains which makes it possible for multiple wizards to coordinate their casting to make it so that the arm is considered part of the "whole", bypassing the need for complex instructions built into the arm itself.
I could be talking bullshit though. There's a lot we don't know about this arm, but it is fun.
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So, the thing about Battle Wizards is that as a starting points, they've accepted that they are going to die. It's going to happen. Either while trying to cast, or for going into dangerous battles that require Battle Wizards, they're reusable ammuntion to be spent. Valuable ammo that doesn't kill itself always, but it happens.
Magisters are meant to be wizards that can be trusted to cast magic reliably, above all else. To use it only when needed, and only as much as needed. To represent their magic and their order, even if it means backing away, or not casting that spell. Lady and Lord Magisters are the ones that are so familiar with spell-casing, themselves, and politics, they can be trusted to decide for themselves, no the spot, if "this situation is both dire and emportant enough, that risking my life on this battle magic is worth it, even with the consequences."
Battle Wizards don't deploy themselves, they get deployed by the Emperor or the Patriarch of the Colledge. Lord and Lady Magisters deploy themselves. They are trusted to do so.
Magisters are meant to be wizards that can be trusted to cast magic reliably, above all else. To use it only when needed, and only as much as needed. To represent their magic and their order, even if it means backing away, or not casting that spell. Lady and Lord Magisters are the ones that are so familiar with spell-casing, themselves, and politics, they can be trusted to decide for themselves, no the spot, if "this situation is both dire and emportant enough, that risking my life on this battle magic is worth it, even with the consequences."
Battle Wizards don't deploy themselves, they get deployed by the Emperor or the Patriarch of the Colledge. Lord and Lady Magisters deploy themselves. They are trusted to do so.
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I mean, we know two Battle Wizards who graduated to LM. Gehenna and Arburg:
It's a high risk job and you have to accept the possibility of death or worse, but it is not a guaranteed death sentence. Certainly not now that Dragomas has improved their conditions. Battle Wizards are willing to die for Dragomas for a reason.
Dragomas' most notable act as Supreme Patriarch has been on improving the lot of the Battle Wizards, and it's now gotten to the point where the average number of LMs per College excluding the Patriarch/Matriarch is 5, 4 from the normal track and one graduated Battle Wizard.
It's a high risk job and you have to accept the possibility of death or worse, but it is not a guaranteed death sentence. Certainly not now that Dragomas has improved their conditions. Battle Wizards are willing to die for Dragomas for a reason.
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I swear there was a post where Boney gave the average lifespan for a Battle Wizard in single-digit years, but I tried looking recently and had zero luck.
Still, the only ways out are death or promotion, and most don't get promoted.
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If a Battle Wizard decides they're done, I don't see why they can't retire and stay in the College as a Perpetual or Seal themselves. We've seen an example of someone who had potential and power but sealed themselves because of an unfortunate series of events.
Maybe they wouldn't have had the choice of retirement before Dragomas, but I think one of the first things you'd do to improve their lot is to give them a retirement package if they want. Not everyone who signs up for a risky job is fully aware of the trauma they'd experience or the things they'd go through.
I always saw battle wizards as being similar to religious zealots—people willing to do anything for a higher cause.
The isolation, the meditation—they are cloistered monks in all but name, honing themselves into perfect tools of their wind.
The isolation, the meditation—they are cloistered monks in all but name, honing themselves into perfect tools of their wind.