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Doing a re read and I realize that the jade amulet we gave to the college could have been useful in fighting those kurgan.
If you're referring to the Cathayan Jet, which was onyx in color rather than Jade, then it should be noted it interferes with Mathilde's spellcasting. Unless you wanted her to do a no-spells any% run in the Kul camp, I don't think it would have been useful.
 
Something I found funny while looking through videos is this tidbit from a research option called "Grace of Quai Yin":

"The Moon Empress loves every child of Cathay dearly, but she most favors those who show fealty to the Elemental Winds of Shadow (Ulgu) and Spirit (Shyish)"

The Moon Empress is like "I love all my children" and then a few hours later she's like "I prefer Shyish and Ulgu".

On another note, remember when I mentioned in thread the different Elemental Winds of Cathay and how they corresponded to what we know? I said Stone was Azyr and I was confused about if Water and Wood was Ghyran or Ghur. Well, I figured some stuff out from looking at Miao Ying stuff.

This might seem weird. Miao Ying, the Storm Dragon, has next to no connection to Azyr. She specialises in Ghyran and Yin, specifically the Ulgu aspects of Yin. Yes I know my first thought was activating my shipper brain and thinking that she's basically if Mathilde and Panoramia had a daughter, but alas she's thousands of years older than the both of them. Anyways, her spells selection is like, Earth Blood, Regrowth, Life Bloom, Power of Yin, Talons of Night, Missile Mirror and all that shadow stuff. And you might be wondering, "why is she called the Storm Dragon if she's Ghyran".

Well, she has a few Storm related special abilities, and they boost Ghyran. As it turns out, Cathay associates Storms with Life or Ghyran, which they call the Elemental Wind of Water. Now I get it. Miao Ying is the Black Tortoise. She's a defensive shell associated with Water, or in this case, Life. The Storms is their way of representing Water.

It's certainly an interesting way to mix things up. Make the lightning spitting dragon have nothing do with Azyr. The boring administrator telling you to file your taxes is Azyr.
 
If you're referring to the Cathayan Jet, which was onyx in color rather than Jade, then it should be noted it interferes with Mathilde's spellcasting. Unless you wanted her to do a no-spells any% run in the Kul camp, I don't think it would have been useful.

No spells any% sounds fun, until you realise that half our glitch-skips come from spellcasting.

Honestly, full respect to the people who do it, but it's a very tedious speedrun category.
 
No spells any% sounds fun, until you realise that half our glitch-skips come from spellcasting.

Honestly, full respect to the people who do it, but it's a very tedious speedrun category.
I dunno, I think it gives you room for creativity to be able to come up with new and interesting glitches, but the Kul camp run is an absolute nightmare without Magic. There are next to no walls aside from tents, and those angles are atrocious to attempt clipping. Don't even get me started on the frame drops from all those background fighters. You can't even get creative in that place. At least when you get to the Khornate Champion boss fight when you're doing a spell run you can cheese him by casting Shadow Knives right before the cutscene at the right place and when the cutscene ends he just dies because the game spawns him in too early and the knife gets stuck in him, deleting his healthbar by the time the cutscene ends. You can't do that in spell-less.
 
I dunno, I think it gives you room for creativity to be able to come up with new and interesting glitches, but the Kul camp run is an absolute nightmare without Magic. There are next to no walls aside from tents, and those angles are atrocious to attempt clipping. Don't even get me started on the frame drops from all those background fighters. You can't even get creative in that place. At least when you get to the Khornate Champion boss fight when you're doing a spell run you can cheese him by casting Shadow Knives right before the cutscene at the right place and when the cutscene ends he just dies because the game spawns him in too early and the knife gets stuck in him, deleting his healthbar by the time the cutscene ends. You can't do that in spell-less.
Nonsense, all you need to do is use the spam glitch to unlock new locations in the underdark and jump straight to the Black Pyramid of Nagash. Granted you can't yet enter it, that is act 5, but all you need to do is get close enough to gain the "Silence of the Gods" debuff. then when you do the Kul camp run make sure you maxed out your relationship score with Egrimm to burrow his Speculum and use this against the Khornate Champion to foist the Debuff on him.

Then all you need is to run back and laugh as the now blessless Champion try to step into the Bear Blizzard without Khorne protection and get shredded by ghost bears.
 
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I dunno, I think it gives you room for creativity to be able to come up with new and interesting glitches, but the Kul camp run is an absolute nightmare without Magic. There are next to no walls aside from tents, and those angles are atrocious to attempt clipping. Don't even get me started on the frame drops from all those background fighters. You can't even get creative in that place. At least when you get to the Khornate Champion boss fight when you're doing a spell run you can cheese him by casting Shadow Knives right before the cutscene at the right place and when the cutscene ends he just dies because the game spawns him in too early and the knife gets stuck in him, deleting his healthbar by the time the cutscene ends. You can't do that in spell-less.
The Waagh arc is an absolute pain on spell-less, too. Activating the Eye of Gazul technically counts as a spell, so you have to deliberately lose as many dwarfs as possible to trigger Grombrindal in phase 1 instead of phase 3. Even then, it's slow enough that the hidden quest to unlock the Karaz-a-Karak bombers is actually a time gain.

On the other hand, if not for the spell-less runners, we'd never have found the AI manipulation that gets you past the Beastmen and into Karag Dum on the first visit. Getting access to [REDACTED] that early on is a game-changer.
 
Nonsense, all you need to do is use the spam glitch to unlock new locations in the underdark and jump straight to the Black Pyramid of Nagash. Granted you can't yet enter it, that is act 5, but all you need to do is get close enough to gain the "Silence of the Gods" debuff. then when you do the Kul camp run make sure you maxed out your relationship score with Egrimm to burrow his Speculum and use this against the Khornate Champion to foist the Debuff on him.

Then all you need is to run back and laugh as the now blessless Champion try to step into the Bear Blizzard without Khorne protection and get shredded by ghost bears.
Honestly, by that point I'd rather manually fight the boss than try to cheese him if it means I have to actually interact with the relationship mechanic. What do you take me for, a noob? That's at least five minutes wasted that could be spent frutilessly jumping at walls to get the perfect clip to skip through to Alkharad's Dungeon.
 
The Waagh arc is an absolute pain on spell-less, too. Activating the Eye of Gazul technically counts as a spell, so you have to deliberately lose as many dwarfs as possible to trigger Grombrindal in phase 1 instead of phase 3. Even then, it's slow enough that the hidden quest to unlock the Karaz-a-Karak bombers is actually a time gain.
I don't care how much time the Grombrindal trigger shave of my runtime, I am not doing that. Last time I tried I got as far as the sad eyes Belegar over his hold turning into a charcoal pit give you and deleted the save right there and then.

People who can do that run are monsters.

Honestly, by that point I'd rather manually fight the boss than try to cheese him if it means I have to actually interact with the relationship mechanic. What do you take me for, a noob? That's at least five minutes wasted that could be spent frutilessly jumping at walls to get the perfect clip to skip through to Alkharad's Dungeon.
I kind of agree the relationship mechanic is boring, but Engrimm is one of the stretch goal we got on the kickstarter, so I be damned if I won't at least try it once. might as well use the benefit on the way.

...I'm still pissed that we managed to raise the Engrimm stretch goal in 3 days and yet didn't get enough for the dragon romance addon, we were so damn close.
 
I don't care how much time the Grombrindal trigger shave of my runtime, I am not doing that. Last time I tried I got as far as the sad eyes Belegar over his hold turning into a charcoal pit give you and deleted the save right there and then.

People who can do that run are monsters.
By the time you're forced to play through Abelhelm's death fight scene in your speedruns for the fiftieth time with the sad music blaring in your ear as you're forced to fight neverending hordes of chaff for a full three minutes you start to get numb to that sort of stuff. I cannot stand listening to that theme anymore. It was amazing and I cried the first time, but by god does it get old:
 
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I don't care how much time the Grombrindal trigger shave of my runtime, I am not doing that. Last time I tried I got as far as the sad eyes Belegar over his hold turning into a charcoal pit give you and deleted the save right there and then.

People who can do that run are monsters.
people said that about the Striland skip when it was first discovered.

nowadays getting Abel killed at the battle is standard, in fact 'fastest Abel dies' is its own speed run category.
 
By the time you're forced to play through Abelhelm's death fight scene in your speedruns for the fiftieth time with the sad music blaring in your ear as you're forced to fight neverending hordes of chaff for a full three minutes you start to get numb to that sort of stuff. I cannot stand listening to that theme anymore. It was amazing and I cried the first time, but by god does it get old:
You didn't launch yourself over the river through a glitch and skipped the whole part to get directly to "Cannons at Castle Drakenhof"?
When you get to the Castle before coming in sight of any bridge or crossing ( thus not triggering the beginning of "Attack on Drakenhof") you automatically skip to a cutscene where the army is arrayed behind you to avenge Abelhelm, without having to go through the town-battle first.
 
I dunno, I think it gives you room for creativity to be able to come up with new and interesting glitches, but the Kul camp run is an absolute nightmare without Magic. There are next to no walls aside from tents, and those angles are atrocious to attempt clipping. Don't even get me started on the frame drops from all those background fighters. You can't even get creative in that place. At least when you get to the Khornate Champion boss fight when you're doing a spell run you can cheese him by casting Shadow Knives right before the cutscene at the right place and when the cutscene ends he just dies because the game spawns him in too early and the knife gets stuck in him, deleting his healthbar by the time the cutscene ends. You can't do that in spell-less.

I'm still not convinced spawning Mr. khorneflakes is a good strategy—yeah, the loot drops are amazing for late game, and saving the Ice Witch has big rep points (which, I admit, is important for the Tzarina skip), but even in an any% run I feel the fight slows you down way too much—especially if he crits and kills you.
 
I'm still not convinced spawning Mr. khorneflakes is a good strategy—yeah, the loot drops are amazing for late game, and saving the Ice Witch has big rep points (which, I admit, is important for the Tzarina skip), but even in an any% run I feel the fight slows you down way too much—especially if he crits and kills you.
Yes, but if you choose to flee instead of fight then the game ending slides show that Ranald did not succeed in reuniting with his family. and that disqualify it from the best ending any%
 
people said that about the Striland skip when it was first discovered.

nowadays getting Abel killed at the battle is standard, in fact 'fastest Abel dies' is its own speed run category.
I know I said I didn't play around with the relationship mechanic, but that's in normal speedruns. My favorite run category is "First Date%" with Panoramia. Call me a sap, but I'm weak to that sort of stuff. Panoramia's cute.
You didn't launch yourself over the river through a glitch and skipped the whole part to get directly to "Cannons at Castle Drakenhof"?
When you get to the Castle before coming in sight of any bridge or crossing ( thus not triggering the beginning of "Attack on Drakenhof") you automatically skip to a cutscene where the army is arrayed behind you to avenge Abelhelm, without having to go through the town-battle first.
I did not know of that skip. I will try to incoroprate it into my runs. Should make things faster. I liked Abelhelm but I started to get sick of that man after a dozen times where he just died to Skeletons. He makes escort missions look lovely with how much he gets himself killed and a dramatic cutscene has to play out over his corpse.
I'm still not convinced spawning Mr. khorneflakes is a good strategy—yeah, the loot drops are amazing for late game, and saving the Ice Witch has big rep points (which, I admit, is important for the Tzarina skip), but even in an any% run I feel the fight slows you down way too much—especially if he crits and kills you.
I think he's essential. Saving Liljiana gives you access to the "Favor of the Widow" trait, which saves a full minute in Palace of Khorne in the end game because it gives you fire resistance so you can hop across the lava without dying. Very important strat.
 
@Codex: you're in the top 20 posters on DL... after 20 days.

At this rate, you will surpass Boney by April :O
Would you believe me if I told you that I would be posting more if I wasn't worried about double posting, and others posted after me during lulls so I can keep it up?

My power has been held back for too long.

But in all seriousness I'm pretty sure I jumped this high up over time. My post rate isn't that crazy. I'd need to make over 9000 more posts to overtake Boney, and that's assuming he stays idle which he does not. Not an easy task.
 
Would you believe me if I told you that I would be posting more if I wasn't worried about double posting, and others posted after me during lulls so I can keep it up?

My power has been held back for too long.

But in all seriousness I'm pretty sure I jumped this high up over time. My post rate isn't that crazy. I'd need to make over 9000 more posts to overtake Boney, and that's assuming he stays idle which he does not. Not an easy task.
I actually was curious, and checked the "who replied" function.
Your oldest post in DL is 30 Dec 2021 :V.
Over 3200 posts in 20 days :o

But it did ramp up, true. You barely had 10 posts on your first day
 
The same problem as last time quickly reveals itself - the stored Shyish drowns out any possibility of seeing the structure of the enchantment - and it's easily defeated by the application of a few coloured lenses.

(Why that works is a lesson in itself. As Teclis went to great lengths to teach, the 'colours' of the Winds of Magic are metaphors instead of actual pigments, they're just how the human brain most commonly interprets it - but there are some sensitive to the winds that perceive them as sounds or even smells. So why would coloured lenses have an effect on something that's not actually a colour? The answer is it doesn't. You expect it to, and so your mind filters accordingly. You could learn how to consciously do that, but you could just use a simple piece of coloured glass and spend your time learning other, more important things.)
A small note from reread: I think we have actually since learned to do this consciously, its basically what we were doing when looking for the ritual energies.

I actually was curious, and checked the "who replied" function.
Your oldest post in DL is 30 Dec 2021 :V.
Over 3200 posts in 20 days :o

But it did ramp up, true. You barely had 10 posts on your first day
I think that page only collects 20 pages worth of posts, she has much more going back
 
I actually was curious, and checked the "who replied" function.
Your oldest post in DL is 30 Dec 2021 :V.
Over 3200 posts in 20 days :o

But it did ramp up, true. You barely had 10 posts on your first day
[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki
[X] Gambling
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
(The who replied function only shows 20 pages of results, you need to go to the last page and hit show more a bunch.)
 
I know I said I didn't play around with the relationship mechanic, but that's in normal speedruns. My favorite run category is "First Date%" with Panoramia. Call me a sap, but I'm weak to that sort of stuff. Panoramia's cute.
I can't believe people still buy into the speedrun thing, it's obviously a conspiracy to make players turn off cheats.

And the relationship mechanic is broken as hell. It usually glitches out for me on day 1 and none of them will even talk to me anymore, so I just add Panoramia, Roswita, Heidi and Cadaeth through the console.
 
Yes, but if you choose to flee instead of fight then the game ending slides show that Ranald did not succeed in reuniting with his family. and that disqualify it from the best ending any%

So you can actually trigger the Ranald family flag later by glitching into the Temple of Urlic and then killing that skaven assassin. I admit it takes a lot of resetting to make the assassin spawn—theres some RNG involved, unfortunately—so it's not a popular skip, but in theory you could save up to 15 minutes doing it. Not actually seen anyone save more than 2 minutes yet (and they lost time later on), but it works on paper.

I think he's essential. Saving Liljiana gives you access to the "Favor of the Widow" trait, which saves a full minute in Palace of Khorne in the end game because it gives you fire resistance so you can hop across the lava without dying. Very important strat.

That's if your doing Palace skip, however. I prefer bypassing the palace entirely and going straight to the Garden of Nurgle. Yeah, it's arguable if it actually saves any time at all (I think the gardenskip record is about a minute behind palaceskip?) but I think it can be developed and refined further.

That said, screw the jump puzzle in that zone. I keep glitching into the swamp from all the speed boosts you pick up from the blessings of Kuronos.

I don't know, I had a really good run ended by the khorne champion getting a crit on me, so I go out of my way to avoid it now. Left me traumatized by the experience.
 
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