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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Something has been bothering me a little since the setup for the Waystone project was done and Mathilde explored Tor Lithanel and the surroundings, there seems to be no action to spend time in the Library of Mournings to learn basic Eonir magical theory go more in depth when it comes to Ulgu.

Boney said:
"The towers and jewels of Tor Lithanel have captured the soul of many an artist, but I suspect most relevant to you would be the Library of Mournings, twice the age of your Teclis' White Tower. It contains scrolls that predate the Elven race, and scrolls written in the hands of Caledor, Astarielle, Maruviel, and Yvraine. Access to such a library would be of great benefit to the project, don't you think?"
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It makes one of the major reason we chose that place ring sort of hollow, Cadaeth managed to snag the Mathilde almost explicitly because of the additional magical knowledge on the table.
 
Boney said:
Less trivially and more archaically, the land of Punt, a major trading partner of Ancient Egypt. We've found a great deal of inscriptions about voyages and expeditions to it, but in none of them did someone bother to say where the hell it was. Why would they? Everyone knows where Punt is, so there's no point writing it down.
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I've heard arguments that Punt was the British isles, because it's obvious from oral tradition that the pro-celts/pre-Britons know about Egypt and the Mediterranean people we would think of as the greeks, but not the other way around.

but I'm unconvinced, it's just as likely that we were just 'the hicks from the sticks' to them.
 
flogoyog said:
Something has been bothering me a little since the setup for the Waystone project was done and Mathilde explored Tor Lithanel and the surroundings, there seems to be no action to spend time in the Library of Mournings to learn basic Eonir magical theory go more in depth when it comes to Ulgu.



It makes one of the major reason we chose that place ring sort of hollow, Cadaeth managed to snag the Mathilde almost explicitly because of the additional magical knowledge on the table.
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I'm hoping that door will open when we actually start the waystone project.

we get the shiny when we start doing what the shiny was a reward for. not just standing around looking busy.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I'm hoping that door will open when we actually start the waystone project.

we get the shiny when we start doing what the shiny was a reward for. not just standing around looking busy.
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True they might just be waiting for the project to truly begin before they give Mathilde the keys to the magical sections of the library and they are fine with her copying some more mainstream stuff like books on weaving so far.
I just expected Mathilde to comment on it, She was almost drooling when the ancient texts were first mentionned.
 
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Boney said:
On the subject of lost information: an illustrative story about this is that in the 19th century, the traditional English table set had three shakers: salt, pepper, and... something else. We don't know what the third one was, despite the fact that pretty much every literate Englishman would have known what it was at the time. Interestingly, every time I've seen this topic come up, people have come in scoffing and saying the answer is obvious, but there's about six different 'obvious' answers that come up from that sort of person.

Less trivially and more archaically, the land of Punt, a major trading partner of Ancient Egypt. We've found a great deal of inscriptions about voyages and expeditions to it, but in none of them did someone bother to say where the hell it was. Why would they? Everyone knows where Punt is, so there's no point writing it down.

It's been said that the holy grail of historical study is the diary of an extremely boring person, because they're the ones that would actually write down that the most interesting thing that happened to them today was having to refill the (sugar/mustard seed/paprika/allspice/nutmeg/garlic) shaker.
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The US military is currently trying to reverse engineer components of their B2 stealth bomber. Sure, that's a secret and not super wide-spread object, but it was also fucking expensive, and you'd think people would try to keep that investment.

More generally, old code, and old computer systems. Six months can lead to issues understanding stuff you wrote yourself. Stuff that's thirty years old is often just about indecipherable, not to mention hardware incompatibilities (which also hits anything saved on old tech. How long would take you to get a movie on VHS watchable? Or something on a floppy disk? And both were super popular and relatively recent).
Awetduck said:
I think of this whenever a recipe calls for "eggs" there's gonna be some very frustrated anthropologists some day
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Nonesense! Eggs are clearly a type of vegetable. It is totally clear and only an ignorant imbecile would deny this..
 
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[ExtremlyBoringPersonMode] To the anthropologists of the future: If you are reading this, "eggs" in context of cooking predominately refers to the eggs (as in the organic vessel containing the zygote in which an embryo develops until it can survive on its own) prodiced by a species of domesticated birds known as chickens (scientific name Gallus gallus domesticus). Respectfully, an extremly boring person [/ExtremlyBoringPersonMode]
 
Artemis1992 said:
If you get like that about eggs, nobody should mention milk here.
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Jyn Ryvia said:
Oh, yes, that liquid that comes for the almond!
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DragonParadox said:
No, no it comes from soy. Obviously soy is a plant with deep cultural and religious significance as judged by the amount of times it is mentioned. :V
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Guys, there are only so many times a day I can be extremly boring. And I can't spend them all here, I still got work coming up. :V
 
Altom said:
[ExtremlyBoringPersonMode] To the anthropologists of the future: If you are reading this, "eggs" in context of cooking predominately refers to the eggs (as in the organic vessel containing the zygote in which an embryo develops until it can survive on its own) prodiced by a species of domesticated birds known as chickens (scientific name Gallus gallus domesticus). Respectfully, an extremly boring person [/ExtremlyBoringPersonMode]
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Hmm, no way someone would write this sort of thing down like this. They must be deliberately spreading missinformation to screw with future historians. Thus, we can conclude that "eggs" were certainly not anything related to chickens or even birds.

Serious mode: Wikipedia would be perfect, because it's full of very boring text that points at context, and it even includes history.
Of course, wikipedia would also be among the first to go.
Jyn Ryvia said:
Yes, records obviously show that they were type of small domesticated bird.
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The boobie is a tremendously popular bird that must have had enormous religious significance.
 
pucflek said:
While its true that Ales are not mentioned to have fallen so low, beer really is magical. Bugman's best straight up makes people immune to fear effects.
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There's non-magical substances that have an effect like that. Or at least one that would be abstracted into that in a game. So I guess liquid cocaine with none of the side effects wasn't that far off.
Burned_Cookie said:
While that is true, I think you are setting the limit of physically possible to low. After all, the beer may have been a mere carrier for whatever had the real effect, also neatly explaining why modern recreation efforts keep failing- sure, you may be able to remake the exact some type of beer, but if you don´t know you´re missing something that is as far as it goes.

Basically whatever the divine/magical/related equivalent to putting nanites in there would be in Sci-Fi. Once you allow for that, which I personally find very believable, the beers of ages past could have done just about anything.
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That's why I said "Except if Brewing is the lost second art of Dwarven magic". Dwarves don't have divine/magical arts outside of Runes. And if the Rune of Beer Enchantment was lost, that's on the Runesmiths, not the Brewers.

On the other hand, if the Dwarves actually did have a lost second art of magic then it being related to Brewing makes a lot of sense. If I recall correctly potions in Warhammer can be made without the potion maker having to have innate magical talent or even needing to channel magic through their own bodies at all. And even if I am wrong on that point as far as Humans are concerned, Dwarves having found a way to work with magical ingredients to achieve magical effects without risking getting stoned (in the undesirable way) is still not far fetched IMO.
flogoyog said:
Something has been bothering me a little since the setup for the Waystone project was done and Mathilde explored Tor Lithanel and the surroundings, there seems to be no action to spend time in the Library of Mournings to learn basic Eonir magical theory go more in depth when it comes to Ulgu.



It makes one of the major reason we chose that place ring sort of hollow, Cadaeth managed to snag the Mathilde almost explicitly because of the additional magical knowledge on the table.
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We're not allowed yet. I guess if we keep not being allowed we might take our ball and go play elsewhere. We'd lose all of Laurelorn's good will and most of their support though.

I'm curious what Laurelorn's participation would have been if we had chosen a different host. Because regardless of host, Elves and Dwarves collaborating was always the plan.
 
Boney said:
It's been said that the holy grails of historical study are the diaries of extremely boring people, because they're the ones that would actually write down that the most interesting thing that happened to them today was having to refill the (sugar/mustard seed/paprika/allspice/nutmeg/garlic) shaker.
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English is not my native language and "allspice" sounds to me like some kind of alchemical substance, akin to sovereign glue or universal solvent. Either that or some kind of MCU mcguffin, but certainly not a real spice.
 
Altom said:
[ExtremlyBoringPersonMode] To the anthropologists of the future: If you are reading this, "eggs" in context of cooking predominately refers to the eggs (as in the organic vessel containing the zygote in which an embryo develops until it can survive on its own) prodiced by a species of domesticated birds known as chickens (scientific name Gallus gallus domesticus). Respectfully, an extremly boring person [/ExtremlyBoringPersonMode]
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I love you for doing this.

..wait.

@The Laurent You're a historian. To your knowledge, is there a group/project/movement that makes a point of taking common knowledge, recording it, and elaborating/is explicit about all assumed details, and is tagging that information with the current date so that future peoples can accurately translate our lexicon to their own?

(Also, someone should append the (various) chemical sequence(s) of [modern/current chicken] dna to the description above, lest future people get the wrong idea of what we, in YoOL 2020+2, mean by the word "chicken")
LockedMind said:
English is not my native language and "allspice" sounds to me like some kind of alchemical substance, akin to sovereign glue or universal solvent. Either that or some kind of MCU mcguffin, but certainly not a real spice.
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English is my native language and "allspice" sounds to me like some kind of alchemical substance, akin to sovereign glue or universal solvent.

Edit: Ok, that was not true. "Allspice" actually sounds like something from a Transformers paroady
 
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