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In the history of pretty much every kind of vitamin and mineral deficiency, there are entire nations and peoples saying the exact same thing. Scurvy, rickets, beriberi, kakke, pellagra, you name it. A lot of the time the solution existed but the people in question refused to follow the advise or practices of foreigners, holding that their traditions and customs could not possibly be wrong.
Not to mention when humanity transitioned to more urban living and a lot of people got fed on cheap grain based product with precious little else. Which was usually just one kind of grain too.

Can't see whats wrong if everyone around you has the exact same problem.
 
English is not my native language and "allspice" sounds to me like some kind of alchemical substance, akin to sovereign glue or universal solvent. Either that or some kind of MCU mcguffin, but certainly not a real spice.
It's a real thing.

It's called Allspice because it tastes somewhat like a lot of other spices, but it actually can't replace any of the spices it tastes like, because it doesn't taste like any of the spices it tastes like enough.
 
Kill him and find out.
In all fairness, if Belegar had named an heir overtly, Mathilde would probably know.

And she probably has at least some idea how the inheritance situation would stand, since she worked closely with Belegar for years and knows a lot about her, so she'd presumably know the general shape of his family.

On the other hand, Belegar's death would be a political shitstorm whose outcome Mathilde cannot predict, and you are under no obligation to spend a lot of time working out things that aren't really relevant to the immediate plot of the quest.
 
@The Laurent You're a historian. To your knowledge, is there a group/project/movement that makes a point of taking common knowledge, recording it, and elaborating/is explicit about all assumed details, and is tagging that information with the current date so that future peoples can accurately translate our lexicon to their own?
Isn't that sort-of wikipedia's thing?

Like, their article on "egg as a food" is pretty exhaustive.

Just need it in a non-perishable format.

I've heard arguments that Punt was the British isles, because it's obvious from oral tradition that the pro-celts/pre-Britons know about Egypt and the Mediterranean people we would think of as the greeks, but not the other way around.
...Is that even possible to sail for the ships Egypt had? The North Sea is a whole other beast to the Mediterranean or Nile.
 
punt was said to have spices, ivory, incense and more good which grow in more tropical environments which make me doubt that it was Britain or the celts. Most of what I have read seem to have near the gulf of aden or red sea region and this is seem to be the majority opinion consensus for now
 
punt was said to have spices, ivory, incense and more good which grow in more tropical environments which make me doubt that it was Britain or the celts. Most of what I have read seem to have near the gulf of aden or red sea region and this is seem to be the majority opinion consensus for now
Also possible its a trade center where those spices were shipped
 
...Is that even possible to sail for the ships Egypt had? The North Sea is a whole other beast to the Mediterranean or Nile.
on a separate note, apparently? or at least there is a bronze age (we think) Irish myth that is essentially the ancestor to 'dude wheres my car, boat edition' where they all but state that they sailed to a kingdom on what we know as Sicily. (or maybe Greece itself, not totally clear as you know, not actually called that by that point.)

while drunk.

The Mammoth Book of Celtic Myths and Legends by Peter Berresford Ellis: to prove that I'm not bullshitting.
 
Gate of Lamentation.
that the coolest name for strait I have ever seen
on a separate note, apparently? or at least there is a bronze age (we think) Irish myth that is essentially the ancestor to 'dude wheres my car, boat edition' where they all but state that they sailed to a kingdom on what we know as Sicily. (or maybe Greece itself, not totally clear as you know, not actually called that by that point.)

while drunk.

The Mammoth Book of Celtic Myths and Legends by Peter Berresford Ellis: to prove that I'm not bullshitting.
yah @Teen Spirit prob knows more about this but I believe the trade network in bronze age went all the way up to Britain
 
In the history of pretty much every kind of vitamin and mineral deficiency, there are entire nations and peoples saying the exact same thing. Scurvy, rickets, beriberi, kakke, pellagra, you name it. A lot of the time the solution existed but the people in question refused to follow the advise or practices of foreigners, holding that their traditions and customs could not possibly be wrong.

Fun fact about Scurvy: They knew about the orange thing for treating scurvy, but when germ theory came out on top the orange thing had no basis in theory anymore and actually got lost.

If there is a moral to this story it is that Progress is not linear.
 
Fun fact about Scurvy: They knew about the orange thing for treating scurvy, but when germ theory came out on top the orange thing had no basis in theory anymore and actually got lost.

If there is a moral to this story it is that Progress is not linear.
to be fair europeans are just amazingly incompetent (about scurvy) pretty sure they learned and lost the knowledge of it multiple times

edit: I meant about scurvy specifically not that europeans were amazingly incompetent at everything
 
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(Also, someone should append the (various) chemical sequence(s) of [modern/current chicken] dna to the description above, lest future people get the wrong idea of what we, in YoOL 2020+2, mean by the word "chicken")
I feel like there's definitely a joke here with correcting that to *YOLO 2022, but I can't find the rest of it.
Isn't that sort-of wikipedia's thing?

Like, their article on "egg as a food" is pretty exhaustive.

Just need it in a non-perishable format.
Exactly! Literally all we need is for somebody to pay to have the entirety of wikipedia chiseled into a series of obelisks. Ideally, redundant sets in multiple locations. How much could that possibly cost?
 
Sorry to derail thread madness, but I have a question about the actual quest:

Boney, does Mathilde have a sense of how difficult codifying a Battle Magic spell is relative to inventing one? I understand that this is a question ripe for a "try it and find out," but figured that with the Esoteric Ulgu in our library, we might have an idea of how often it is that wizards in the Grey College's history 1) developed BM spells 2) were able to pass on that knowledge. Obviously that doesn't distinguish "tried and failed" from "never put in the hard work and elbow grease in the first place," but it's still the sort of data I can imagine Mathilde using to roughly estimate how tough it would be to do herself.

(I assume our awesome Ulgu tower does not help with the codification process.)
 
Sorry to derail thread madness, but I have a question about the actual quest:

Boney, does Mathilde have a sense of how difficult codifying a Battle Magic spell is relative to inventing one? I understand that this is a question ripe for a "try it and find out," but figured that with the Esoteric Ulgu in our library, we might have an idea of how often it is that wizards in the Grey College's history 1) developed BM spells 2) were able to pass on that knowledge. Obviously that doesn't distinguish "tried and failed" from "never put in the hard work and elbow grease in the first place," but it's still the sort of data I can imagine Mathilde using to roughly estimate how tough it would be to do herself.

(I assume our awesome Ulgu tower does not help with the codification process.)

Too many variables for there to be one answer. Different people with different paradigms have different levels of difficulty translating their spells into something communicable, and experience as a teacher or deep knowledge of magical theory or knowing multiple magical languages can (not will, can) make it easier. And whether a Battle Magic spell is actually 'true' Battle Magic or just an inefficiently codified spell that has sub-BM level effects is always open to debate.
 
Sorry for an offtopic post, but I am not sure where to ask: if I were to make a vote and an effort post in a quest which had no responces for 40 days, would it be a violation of the rules? Keep in mind that the QM had already had those month+ long periods of absense before coming back earlier in the thread?
 
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