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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
Our cover story is 'we don't want Alric to have the glory' not 'we want the glory'. As the update says Alric has been upstaged, past tense, no matter that we choose he lost. It should be noted also that is is particularly hard to form positive long term relationships with the Templar of Sigmar when you... er disdain Sigmar, it is on the sheet and everything. I do not think we have the diplomacy to cover for that long term.
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Note that I didn't vote for "ourself". Don't shove words in my mouth, please... especially not when you know I won't even be able to respond for most of the day.
DragonParadox said:
Er... guys, we have Disdain for Sigmar, I really really do not think we should try to butter those people up

On the matter of protecting Heidi, I know it is tempting to stonewall Alric and company, but do you know who it is going to look really strange to? Regimand. I think Mathilde's father figure knows her well enough to have an inkling that she does not like Sigmar or Templars, so why is she giving them the credit, hmm...?

Grey Wzards naturally pick at riddles, like if we had just told him 'it's important' but did not at the start.
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We've been given the option to drop that trait how many times, now? Take this option and we'll get it again without question.

Moreover, the trait effects how we treat organizations we lead. We do not lead the templars. And even then, the effects have significantly softened over time. Having a working relationship with the templars is not particularly different from having a relationship with our old Sigmarite buddy from our Stirland days. It's really not an issue.

As for Regimand... the dude doesn't give two shits about our cover story, he just wanted to spend time with us. Implying that he's going to be the opposite of a bro and look into shit he can figure out for himself we don't want looked into, or acting on it if he does is just... kind of insulting to the guy. Have some faith that our mentor isn't out to screw us over.

The longshanks gave us the opportunity to say who, besides them, should get Mathilde's share of the credit. It's our credit. We're not obligated to give it to anyone in particular, and the Longshanks were merely the most dramatically visible of the contributors to this success - everyone involved was necessary for this to come together, and the people behind the scenes deserve some accolades for their work too.

Once more with feeling,

[X] The Order of Light
[X] The Templars of Sigmar
 
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Boney said:
[Rolling for patronage: 6, the Holy Number of Slaanesh]
[Alberich dodge roll: 72. He manages to save 72% of his body.]
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May I ask what the other Gods could have done here? Assuming the supernatural reflexes were gifted by Slaanesh on the spot.

Also, now that he's dead, are we allowed to know whether Alberic was a Slaaneshi who recently got some attention from the others on his path to Everchosen candidate or if he had always favored Chaos Undivided and just always randomly happened to get Slaanesh associated mutations and boons due to the ever mocking whim of the dice?

Boney said:
It takes no concentration at all from you for an eerily convincing wolf's howl to rip its way from your throat, as in Tor Lithanel the other half of your soul jolts several other Wizards awake as he leads you through example.
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Though I already expected this to happen due to the preceding discussion, it's still a very different and very cool feeling to actually see it in action.

Boney said:
some of them draw knives of their own and fix their eyes on he who has made an enemy of the protectors of Taal's holy sites.
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Civilians feeling the urge to give aid at their own risk gives me fuzzy feelings.
Boney said:
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I wonder what this wildly varying bonus is
Boney said:
you appear behind him, and Branulhune passes in a neat and perfect arc through Alberich's neck, sending a spray of blood over the Longshank who was heartbeats away from having his own spilled, and a head rolling across the cobblestones.

"Thank you for your assistance, gentlemen," you say to the Longshanks as you allow Branulhune to disappear once more.
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Mathilde us such a scary badass. When the dice smile upon her that is.


Which they definitely did this time. The numbers might not have been high enough to make this easy, but they were exactly right for a climactic chase in which Mathilde could ultimately get the kill and save the day in a most badass way while also preventing all friendly casualties at the last moment.

Truly Ranald heard the prayer that Codex and others sent him and could not have blessed us more


Boney said:
Who will get the credit for the death of this unknown but powerful Magus?
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Huh. Why does only one party get most of the credit. I would feel bad for snubbing the Longshanks this way, but I also don't see why Mathilde should take no credit, especially since I want Mira to know our involvement to the end.
 
The Gods of the Hunt were with us this night and I think The Princess of Pleasure go a reminder what happens to prey when the Wolves run it to ground.

Always Late said:
Fantasy Khorne is much looser on the rule about magic since there isn't technology to boost your body. If you're Casting Fist instead of UNLIIMITED POWER, he's cool.

The fact both Khorne and Ulric's totem animal is a wolf... that's something nobody says aloud anymore. But those forefathers who felt the wrath of Teutongen tribe of old, home of the Berserkers and their King that cut their blades on their neighboring tribesmen, have never forgotten the howls that came from blood and snow alike.

Turns out when you bully people, you don't make many friends.
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The thing is Khorne in both 40k and Fantasy is connected to Hounds not Wolves what with his Flesh Hounds and all. So Khorne was not the one of the Four that was present.

Also the Tribe that was Known for being berserkers was the Thurengians of the Drakwald not the Teutogens of Middenland. So the blood god really was not involved in my mind.

Boney said:
The Longshanks don't really have jurisdiction in Ostermark, but Mathilde will bring it up with Regimand
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Considering how the Longshanks travel and act as Taal's Templar's across the empire and even beyond I would think they would have members in Ostermark who might have information we could use and Taal also seem to be at least respected by the Ice Witches and so could help with us working with Kislevites in finding and dealing with the problem.

NSMS said:
You know, I'd love to know what went through the lead Longshank's head during this moment. He's facing down a cultist who's charging him with unnatural speed and agility, he's only got a knife to defend himself, he knows he's outclassed and probably about to die... and then Mathilde appears out of literal nowhere, decapitates the charging madman close enough that he gets hit with the blood spray, then calmly and collectedly thanks him for his assistance.
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Probably a bit of surprise at our arrival but considering that they are the leader of a group of Longshanks and that they already had a long knife drawn I doubt they thought they were that out classed in a fight. The Longshanks are the Taalites who have the most encounters with Chaos empowered beings even if they are of the Beastmen verity. Plus the equivalent of a Witch Hunter Captain is not going to be afraid of going toe to toe with a Chaos Cultist in their Gods city with the numbers advantage. Still they will remember the entrance we made that is for sure.


[X] The Longshanks
[X] The Templars of Sigmar

I think either of these is a good choice but building a relationship with the most devoted of Taal's orders outside the priesthood it a good thing for us to have for many reasons intelligence gathering just being one of them.

DragonParadox said:
Er... guys, we have Disdain for Sigmar, I really really do not think we should try to butter those people up

On the matter of protecting Heidi, I know it is tempting to stonewall Alric and company, but do you know who it is going to look really strange to? Regimand. I think Mathilde's father figure knows her well enough to have an inkling that she does not like Sigmar or Templars, so why is she giving them the credit, hmm...?

Grey Wzards naturally pick at riddles, like if we had just told him 'it's important' but did not at the start.
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Except we told him where we were going to talk to them and they are the ones who told us what his appearance had changed to after he made his pact with the Tempter. Give them some of the credit for his death while also keeping our involvement out of the public eye is the MMO favored by the Grey College and a action he would approve of I think.
 
Boney said:
The Grand Theogonist of the time pulls the Liber Mortis out of the vaults and it turns out there's a spell of Making All The Zombies Fall Apart.
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Was re-reading the Sylvania dossier in the threadmarks, when I noticed this line. Based off of Mathy's thorough examination of the Liber Mortis, how did the Grand Theogonist do that, at that scale, and why does she think the trick was never repeated? It seems like such an *excellent* solution to general problem of "Your Foe is Undead"
 
CornyBones said:
Was re-reading the Sylvania dossier in the threadmarks, when I noticed this line. Based off of Mathy's thorough examination of the Liber Mortis, how did the Grand Theogonist do that, at that scale, and why does she think the trick was never repeated? It seems like such an *excellent* solution to general problem of "Your Foe is Undead"
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It's this.
Boney said:
Second Secret of Dhar: Dhar could be made more unstable. A tiny nudge in just the right way and Dhar unravels in just the right way to unravel more Dhar, and so on until nothing remains.
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Which we aren't going to use short of an apocalyptic scenario, because that's using Dhar and breaking the Articles of Magic.
 
Boney said:
[Alberich dodge roll: 72. He manages to save 72% of his body.]

But his humanity is just one of the things that Alberich has sacrificed to his unholy patron. Instead of ribs and organs Branulhune slices through bone and bicep, unnatural mutation proving no obstacle to Dwarven artifice as Alberich propels himself through the wall of the disintegrating sedan chair, leaving his most visible mutation behind as he dives into the screaming crowd.
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Holy shit, his arm was so swollen that it was literally 28% of his total body mass. That's crazy. But I guess that's chaos mutations for you.
veekie said:
Things nobody expected: Khorne courting a Grey Wizard
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Ah, you're forgetting - Mathilde took out a Champion of Khorne, via the classic wizardly maneuver of Unexpected Bear. Or maybe it was Unexpected Ice Witch. Whichever. Point is: clearly, Khorne operates on shounen logic, and anyone who can beat him becomes his friend.

[X] The Order of Light

Alric's plan was to stop this plot, and use the credit to cement his hold on the Light Order against Mira. The credit for stopping the plot instead cementing Mira's hold on the Light Order against him is a poetic reversal so sweet that I am literally incapable of voting for anything else.

Remember, Grey Wizards are showmen. Taking the credit yourself isn't the only way to make something a performance. And if only people who are privy to multiple pieces of not-widely-available information can connect all the dots to take in the full picture, that just means we're combining secrets and showmanship.
 
Rafin said:
May I ask what the other Gods could have done here? Assuming the supernatural reflexes were gifted by Slaanesh on the spot.

Also, now that he's dead, are we allowed to know whether Alberic was a Slaaneshi who recently got some attention from the others on his path to Everchosen candidate or if he had always favored Chaos Undivided and just always randomly happened to get Slaanesh associated mutations and boons due to the ever mocking whim of the dice?
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The implication of him having all 4 Sacred Numbers as his potential blessing allowing him to survive the sneak attack is that Regimand's intel suggesting that he was dedicated to Chaos Undivided was accurate
And given the alarming amount of attention and power he was receiving on a moments notice, Alberich may well have outright been an Everchosen candidate
Any of the 4 could have intervened to save him, it just happened to be Slaanesh by chance

We don't even know if the mutations were Slaaneshi, they was speculated to be, but we didn't experience any attack on our willpower in the form of Soporific Musk nor did we see Alberich hypnotize anyone with his eye
The Porter's were under some kind of minor confoundment, but the method is unclear

As for how the other 3 would have intervened
Nurgle is easy, he'd have gifted Alberich with unnatural resilience and constitution, such that Alberich would be able to potentially just ignore having his guts split all over the floor, uncaring of the damage to his body
Khorne could have gifted Alberich the toughness and strength to mitigate the damage, or maybe preternatural combat reflexes to avoid it, or maybe the sheer willpower and berserk savagery to keep going
Tzeentch is hard to say, he could have gifted Alberich all kinds of magical defences, or bizarre mutations
 
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Rafin said:
Huh. Why does only one party get most of the credit. I would feel bad for snubbing the Longshanks this way, but I also don't see why Mathilde should take no credit, especially since I want Mira to know our involvement to the end
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The Longshanks automatically have half credit. If we give them full credit, its the Grey Classic. Nobody knows how it happened, only that it did.

Plus Alric don't know who ruined his plan
 
Extremely important question. Do ya think Mathilde look better in a Single/Double Breasted Suit or in a Waistcoat? Relevant to something I'm working on.
 
Always Late said:
Fantasy Khorne is much looser on the rule about magic since there isn't technology to boost your body. If you're Casting Fist instead of UNLIIMITED POWER, he's cool.

The fact both Khorne and Ulric's totem animal is a wolf... that's something nobody says aloud anymore. But those forefathers who felt the wrath of Teutongen tribe of old, home of the Berserkers and their King that cut their blades on their neighboring tribesmen, have never forgotten the howls that came from blood and snow alike.

Turns out when you bully people, you don't make many friends.
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Khorne isn't very associated with wolves. Hounds yes. Wolves no. And its specifically hunting hounds and often as in, "Khorne's hunting hounds" not "khorne is a hunting hound". Even the Norscans call him "the hound" rather then "the wolf".
 
problem with giving credit to the longshanks, the sedan was cut in half.
 
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Eisenhelm said:
not light order and not Mathilde, because wizards.
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Light order would in fact be weird because they don't have cutting spells. And the grey order cutting spell is less priscise then Matty. All it points to is a magic sword or super strength either of which are frankly probably more likely for Longshanks or Witch Hunters then a light or grey wizard. Matty is of course known to have a magic sword.
 
Ah, so it's about cutting power, is it? I thought it was because of the Longshanks being local, meaning they'd be more susceptible to being sued for damages by the sedan company.
 
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