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And if it were the Alric, then it could have been Borek dying. That would also have been a shock. The leader of the expedition, and the only one from Karag Dum...
Blast from the past.

Imagine if Borek had died instead of Gotrek. I think we would have pressed on regardless (if Gotrek and Snorri hadn't disagreed simultaneously) and that would have made the way we react to Karag/Cor-Dum very different. Instead of a probably fallen Karag in league with Beastmen we would have seen a besieged Karag waiting for rescue.
I'm sick of always voting for the optimal solution. Sometimes I just want to have fun, so I advocate for Steed of Shadows. I know it's suboptimal. It's very likely that most people don't share the same level of desire for a flying horse as I do and wouldn't consider it worth it for me to have fun. But I gotta try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Nazguls are definitely not optimal either. Just cool. But before I voted for that I'll advocate for the responsible thing of codifying Rite of Way and teaching it to Melkoth or whoever.

@Boney I have a vague recollection that there was a discussion in which you confirmed that the spell could be optimized after the Karag Dum expedition. But I don't recall whether that was before we decided to push an extra overwork action to make it better last minute. And it's not in the list of options. Who if the two of us has the faulty memory? Usually it's me.

Also, if we were to codify it, what would be the CF cost to get a LM (or just a Battle Mage) to try and teach them a tested and finished spell? I could imagine it being free, but if I were to make the judgement call I would make it a normal hiring with a discount based on interest, with the resulting CF won from "publishing" the spell having a -1 for shared credit, like with papers.

I appreciate the hustle, but getting secrets from the Hedgewise within our lifetime is not possible. The Hedgewise of Ostermark and Reikland were recently purged in large numbers by Sigmarites who infiltrated their society ("recently". I mean during the 2200s or something). That's the reason they no longer communicate between the different branches. They're too scared of a repeat.

Maybe the coin would help, but the fear of genocide is strong.
Woah that's sad and new to me. Thanks for sharing. By the way, are Hedgewise and Hedgefolk the same thing or are Hedgefolk the non-magical lay version of this secretive underground culture. If it's the latter, how are they treated?

Call it the 'Sword of Damocles'. :V
Now I'm worried that "Damocles" is some East Tilean dude with a weird sword in Warhammer Fantasy canon.

Either that or something like a 'fog of forgetfulness', for mass crowd disruption/pacification,
Imagine a mass crowd "Pacification" spell, with the word meaning what it means in College vernacular. That would be the scariest damn spell ever.
 
Blast from the past.

Imagine if Borek had died instead of Gotrek. I think we would have pressed on regardless (if Gotrek and Snorri hadn't disagreed simultaneously) and that would have made the way we react to Karag/Cor-Dum very different. Instead of a probably fallen Karag in league with Beastmen we would have seen a besieged Karag waiting for rescue.

Which may well have killed Mathilde since what was in there had been rolled well in advance no matter if we had an indication of them meddling with Chaos or not,

Seriously though I think the expedition to the Wastes was a rousing success as it was, after all most of the people who went on it came back alive and unmutated, far from a likely outcome.
 
Woah that's sad and new to me. Thanks for sharing. By the way, are Hedgewise and Hedgefolk the same thing or are Hedgefolk the non-magical lay version of this secretive underground culture. If it's the latter, how are they treated?
The Hedgewise are the ones with the capability to use magic, the Hedgefolk are the ones that don't have that ability.

If you mean "how are the Hedgewise treated by the Hedgefolk", quite well. Their existence is fairly important to the continued existence of the Hedgefolk.
 
He does not have to guess the truth, he does not have to come close to the truth, but if he thinks it is some left over affair from Stirland, as indeed letting the witch hunters have the credit in spite of her dislike of them, might imply... well he is already far too close for comfort.
Does he know this? I don't think anyone is actually aware of how much she actively does not like them, as opposed to the usual "me Wizard, them Witch Hunters" discomfort that may be normal for most magic-users.
 
Does he know this? I don't think anyone is actually aware of how much she actively does not like them, as opposed to the usual "me Wizard, them Witch Hunters" discomfort that may be normal for most magic-users.

We just now had a conversation with the witch hunters where Mathilde was all but grinding her teeth at them in spite of the fact that they were entirely helpful. Given who Regimand is to Mathilde and that he has been in this business for far longer than her I think it is a safe bet to assume he has a grasp on most of her major traits
 
We just now had a conversation with the witch hunters where Mathilde was all but grinding her teeth at them in spite of the fact that they were entirely helpful. Given who Regimand is to Mathilde and that he has been in this business for far longer than her I think it is a safe bet to assume he has a grasp on most of her major traits
I'm not quite sure what you're talking about:
"I am Lady Magister Mathilde Weber of the Grey Order, and I would like to see someone in authority here on matters relating to my Article 15 obligations," you say to him.

He stares at you for some time before answering. "I beg your indulgence whilst I fetch someone for you," he finally says, and the door swings shut once more. You wait patiently as he presumably finds his Master to ask what to do, who would then seek out his Captain, who would seek out a Chamberlain, and possibly further still.
"Lady Magister," he says in a rasping voice. "I am Sir Philipp Freytag, Knight of the Inner Circle. I take it this is related to the Alberich business?"

"It is," you say as you take a seat across from him. "You are familiar with it?"

"As anyone can be who was not there. I reviewed the investigation after both the Elector Countess and your agent started asking after it, and redacted the reports that you ended up receiving."

"That is the topic that brings me here today. I need some of the information that was left out of the copies of the report I read."

His one eye narrows in suspicion. "The Templars are dedicated to expunging rituals like that from the world. We will not betray the purpose of this Order by spreading it further, particularly to one who has the skills to succeed where Alberich failed."

Though he hasn't outright insulted you, he's come very close doing so. "I don't care to know how the ritual is performed. Keep to yourself the runes and incantations and the precise vocation and marital status of the sacrifices. What I need to know is what mark the ritual would have left upon he that performed it."

The look of suspicion vanishes from the Templar's face, replaced with a look of calculation. "Alberich has returned," he realizes.

"At minimum he has been returned for years, and now I find myself bound by Article 15 to act against one who has demonstrated himself beyond the means of Sigmar's Templars to counter. Will you stand in the way of me doing so?"
Mathilde was extremely reasonable and polite until Freytag jumped to the worst possible conclusion about what she was asking about and had the gall to say it to her face. At that point, and not before, she starts getting snippy and dunking on him.

This doesn't read to me as "Mathilde wears her emotions about Sigmar on her sleeve whenever Witch Hunters come up," it reads to me as "Mathilde is willing to play ball until someone takes a shot at her and tries to establish social dominance, at which point she plays to win." Besides which, our problem with Sigmar is explicitly and expressly a problem with Sigmar, and our main beef with Sigmarite institutions is that they should do their worthy work for some worthier god.

I don't think the Witch Hunters are likely to win the vote, but I don't think it's weird and sus for Regimand if they do.
 
[X] The Order of Light

[X] The Templars of Sigmar

I've been convinced. Not gonna be sad if Longshanks win, but I think these two seem more appealing.
 
[X] The Longshanks

Probably makes more sense than Templars.

And it's not like the Templars of Sigmar are likely to be displeased with us. If anything, this whole incident still makes us more trustworthy to them (at least those who get clearance to know of our involvement). After all, we did cooperate with them to put an end to a chaotic threat.

And while the Templars might not stonewall as hard. I'm not sure Alric is well liked or not amongst Templars.
 
I think the Longshanks is the best choice from a "deny Alric as much credit as possible" perspective. Its basically, "while you fucked around and let one of your charges get ganked the local witch hunters did their goddamn job".
Out of curiosity, what kind of investigative training, if any at all, do the Lights get/have? Was Alric's performance legitimately the best he could do, or was he dicking around in luxury waiting to spring a trap that already failed once?
 
Out of curiosity, what kind of investigative training, if any at all, do the Lights get/have? Was Alric's performance legitimately the best he could do, or was he dicking around in luxury waiting to spring a trap that already failed once?
Given how strong Alberich was, I believe he was stacking the deck with a prepared killing ground, and forcing Alberich to fight on his terms. He was also likely trying to keep a low profile to avoid Mira sabotaging him, hence not working with authorities
 
So I was thinking of what people might think of it if Mathilde takes credit, and I had the probably inaccurate thought of "Maybe people will think she's aiming to be Matriarch early". And then I realized that wouldn't be how the Grey Leadership would work. But then, what would be? And then I realized the answer was obvious (not).
See, when there is to be a new selection for Patriarch/Matriarch, the LMs choose a day. On that day, all of them are required to be in public spaces within the College grounds. The last one to be discovered and recognized by someone of a lower rank gets to choose who the new leader is, but none of them are allowed to harm another.
This tests everything. Stealth and misdirection, obviously, but there's no rules saying that they can't continue to try to influence the winner. So they can try to counterspell the others, who have to counter-counterspell. Of course, they have to figure out who will choose the way they want to in order to know who to help and who to hinder, or treat with people to do the same. Or simply, during the actual choosing, make themselves not be remembered if they don't want to be chosen, or vise versa if they want to be chosen. It's Perfect! (in the comedy version of Warhammer, anyway)
 
Given how strong Alberich was, I believe he was stacking the deck with a prepared killing ground, and forcing Alberich to fight on his terms. He was also likely trying to keep a low profile to avoid Mira sabotaging him, hence not working with authorities
Tbf, his plan would have worked beautifully. Alberich was on his way directly into the trap and was preparing to personally (he had the fish dagger) kill the target.
 
I wonder if we can become a go between for the dwarves leather make guild and the Longshanks. The Longshanks are famous for not wearing mail or and metal armor. The dwarves guild can make leather almost as good as steel.
 
I wonder if we can become a go between for the dwarves leather make guild and the Longshanks. The Longshanks are famous for not wearing mail or and metal armor. The dwarves guild can make leather almost as good as steel.
Dwarfs have been doing business in Talabheim for longer than the Empire has existed.

I don't think we're needed as a go-between.
 
Dwarfs have been doing business in Talabheim for longer than the Empire has existed.

I don't think we're needed as a go-between.
I want that contract because it is a way to get other business in a providence we have not spread to yet. Also it benefits everyone since Mathilde can get a cheaper price for it because she is a dawi and famous.

Also until recently Tallland was about to have a grudge declared against them. Not exactly the best environment for commerce to flourish.
 
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I want that contract because it is a way to get other business in a providence we have not spread to yet. Also it benefits everyone since Mathilde can get a cheaper price for it because she is a dawi and famous.
Ah, I think the problem with that is that thaalites like to use their own hunted furrs and leather. Not pre made stuff. Thaal is all about doing it yourself with your own hands out in the wild.
 
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