To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

Leila Hann · Oct 28, 2016

[X] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] Aelin
[X][ASSIGN] Cardassian Border Zone

[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.

[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planitia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planitia 1mt berth in Q2

UberJJK · Oct 28, 2016

[X] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] Odyssey
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System

[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.

[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2

Katsuragi · Oct 28, 2016

Psh. Pretty sure Sulu is getting the next Vice position that opens.

Didn't we toss him in his current position despite him providing a pretty pointless bonus so we could boot him up the chain when a spot opened?

Nix · Oct 28, 2016

OneirosTheWriter said:
Joburg IV - near

I assume that was supposed to mean near the Rigel sector, if not it's easy enough to move.
I also took the liberty to place outposts at the Amarki and 3 of the Tellarite colonies.

aeqnai said:
The obvious answer would be same color but with a Fleet arrowhead either next to or replacing it imo

I tried both a different blue and the arrowhead:

Which one works better? Or does this give anyone an even better idea?

If anyone wants an svg of the arrowhead I made just tell me.

SuperSonicSound · Oct 28, 2016

[X] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen

I want to start the Ambassador in three to four years and want her to remain in the billet so we can speed the prototype.

Muer'ci · Oct 28, 2016

Katsuragi said:
Psh. Pretty sure Sulu is getting the next Vice position that opens.

Didn't we toss him in his current position despite him providing a pretty pointless bonus so we could boot him up the chain when a spot opened?

Yeah, I wasn't sure about putting him there, but that colorful get together he arranged removed all doubts

Nix · Oct 28, 2016

SuperSonicSound said:
I want to start the Ambassador in three to four years and want her to remain in the billet so we can speed the prototype.

I don't see how the math works out for that.
2308.Q2: Utopia Planitia group starts Renaissance design.
2310.Q3: Utopia Planitia group finishes Renaissance design
2311.Q2: Utopia Planitia group starts Ambassador design
231X.Q3: Utopia Planitia group finishes Ambassador design
231X.Q4: start construction of Ambassador prototype at Utopia Planitia.

Are you assuming no design techs at all, or just lvl 1? I don't see how we can even meet the canon Ambassador within those constraints, let alone the upgraded or cheaper versions talked about.

Briefvoice · Oct 28, 2016

Katsuragi said:
Psh. Pretty sure Sulu is getting the next Vice position that opens.

Didn't we toss him in his current position despite him providing a pretty pointless bonus so we could boot him up the chain when a spot opened?

I don't know how people will vote until they vote, but that was some of the logic. Of course, that's Chen's problem IC. She can polish her resume as much as she wants, but Sulu is a legend of Starfleet. Remember how he rode to the rescue with the Klingons four years back? And even though he hasn't been doing much with his bonus as such, he's the one who has been assigning our Exploration Corps ships to keep thwarting the Cardassians. He could easily have had them exploring coreward or in some other non-contested direction instead, but he didn't (no matter how much some Council members probably wish otherwise). IC we didn't promote him to head of Intelligence, and he's playing in that field anyway.

Of course, Chen is a lot younger than Sulu. She can play a longer game, career-wise.

SuperSonicSound · Oct 28, 2016

Nix said:
I don't see how the math works out for that.
2308.Q2: Utopia Planitia group starts Renaissance design.
2310.Q3: Utopia Planitia group finishes Renaissance design
2311.Q2: Utopia Planitia group starts Ambassador design
231X.Q3: Utopia Planitia group finishes Ambassador design
231X.Q4: start construction of Ambassador prototype at Utopia Planitia.

Are you assuming no design techs at all, or just lvl 1? I don't see how we can even meet the canon Ambassador within those constraints, let alone the upgraded or cheaper versions talked about.

Are you taking into account future tech growth between now and then? I can put a roughly canon design together using L1 techs and I'd push for L2-3 depending, or at least I used to be able to. Not sure about now since shields were made more expensive again.

lbmaian · Oct 28, 2016

OneirosTheWriter said:
Current Member World Fleets (as of 2307.Q4):

OneirosTheWriter said:
Member World & Key Affiliate Shipyard Totals

Can you temporarily threadmark these, or link these from the front page, until you get your spreadsheet in a more finalized form to share?

OneirosTheWriter said:
2x 500kt colony shipyards

Those are awfully small - smaller than the official Starfleet colony ship:
Colony Ship 2260-Now [370m 850k t]

Maybe they're more just civilian shipyards rather than "colonization" ones?

Nix said:
Which one works better? Or does this give anyone an even better idea?

Now that looks like a much livelier map!

I like the arrowhead more. There are already too many shades of blue (federation territory, federation/starfleet asset, federation/starfleet in-progress asset, affiliate territory, affiliate symbol, and now non-starfleet federation asset).

Nix · Oct 28, 2016

lbmaian said:
Those are awfully small - smaller than the official Starfleet colony ship:
Colony Ship 2260-Now [370m 850k t]

Maybe they're more just civilian shipyards rather than "colonization" ones?

Colony shipyards as in shipyards at colonies, not shipyards for colony ships.

lbmaian · Oct 28, 2016

Nix said:
Colony shipyards as in shipyards at colonies, not shipyards for colony ships.

Oh, yeah that makes more sense.

Yeangst · Oct 28, 2016

One thing about the name 'Odyssey.' It's not really a culturally neutral word, since the meaning comes from its cultural connotations. You hear 'oddysey' and it brings to mind being lost and searching for home, maintaining hope in hopeless sitiuations, dangerous obstacles, hubris, no win sitiuations, etc.

I suppose you could translate it for cultures that have never heard of Homer or Ancient Greece, but you'd be running straight into the Darmak and Jalad problem. It might translate into something more like "Journey" or "Voyage" and lose all of its evocativeness.

fasquardon · Oct 28, 2016

Simon_Jester said:
It... kind of did at first, but got better over time. I do get what you're trying to do.

Sorry about that.

Leila Hann said:
Am I the only one not worried about Apiata culture? Their loyalty to the queens is no more inimical to Federation values than kin selection or the nuclear family.

I also don't see any reason why the Apiata can't be fully integrated into the Federation - particularly if the Federation actually lives up to its values and insist that the poor Apiata have to be just as individualistic as humans who were born on the North American continent.

Kelenas said:
Which might explain where the misunderstanding is coming from. You seem to be fixated on the Constellations and their numbers in particular, where my focus is on the fleet as a whole.

That's not how you come across at all.

Rather you come across as someone with an irrational dislike of a ship that some of us see as being useful in a whole-fleet context.

@OneirosTheWriter: Can the coordination office enable us to work with member races to design joint ships? I was just thinking that the Vulcans would find the upgraded science ship ideas we've been tossing around quite interesting.

fasquardon

OneirosTheWriter · Oct 28, 2016

fasquardon said:
@OneirosTheWriter: Can the coordination office enable us to work with member races to design joint ships? I was just thinking that the Vulcans would find the upgraded science ship ideas we've been tossing around quite interesting.

What sort of system did you have in mind?

Gingganz · Oct 28, 2016

[X] Commodore Trinnarv Xursh
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] Discovery
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build

[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2

Jenny · Oct 28, 2016

[X] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] Aelin
[X][ASSIGN] Cardassian Border Zone

[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.

[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planitia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planitia 1mt berth in Q2

Incidentally, I think it'd be the Aelin and not the Aelin Aleshe, given that given names seem to be kept very private in Amarki culture.

AlphaDelta · Oct 28, 2016

I'd there any reason the ambassador can't wait? Even with a 15 year design period, enough is very unnecessary, we are ahead of the time.

fasquardon · Oct 28, 2016

[X] Commodore Trinnarv Xursh

[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] S'harien
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System

[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.

[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2

lbmaian said:
We can still build the old Centaur model even with the Centaur-B ready?

You mean you want to refit the Centaur again even though we already have the Centaur A? That would be expensive PP wise, even if it's possible.

MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
so do I, but my writing skills amount to that of somewhere between Twilight and NOT GOOD!

So? Do it anyway! Not only will your writing skills get better, but we'll get to see all your cool ideas.

Briefvoice said:
The Cardassians should really stop poking us. I know they won't, but they should.

Yeah, but bringing all that power to bear would be very expensive - the Cardassians are probably aiming to poke enough to make the Federation to pull back, but not so much that the Federation decides to pull ships back from other borders and exploration missions...

Mind you... The Enterprise just made Starfleet's 7 explorers look alot more scary. Either they'll poke less, or they'll start to gamble. (Mind you, it's hard for them to Pearl Harbour us before they know where our main fleet base is...)

OneirosTheWriter said:
What sort of system did you have in mind?

I can think of a few options which could either be done on their own or in combination with other options:

*A joint funded project (would reduce the pp cost of requesting the design)
*Information sharing (Starfleet would get access to the already developed components the Vulcans have)
*Joint development (starting the project would give more bonus rp and flavor-wise, Vulcan ship designers would be coming over to Starfleet to work with our tech teams for the project)
*Economies of scale (making the eventual refits of the design cheaper in pp)
*Ask the Vulcans to design the ship for us (not really sure how that one would work)

The cost for all the options of course would be that the vessel would need to fit the Vulcan's stat requirements.

Some of these ideas (and more powerful rewards for cooperation, like gaining a new Vulcan tech team perminantly) could also be used as omake rewards.

fasquardon

lbmaian · Oct 28, 2016

fasquardon said:
You mean you want to refit the Centaur again even though we already have the Centaur A? That would be expensive PP wise, even if it's possible.

No, I meant why is the option to build the base Centaur still even on the list. There's almost no scenario where it would be better to build a base Centaur than a refit Centaur.

fasquardon said:
*A joint funded project (would reduce the pp cost of requesting the design)
*Information sharing (Starfleet would get access to the already developed components the Vulcans have)
*Joint development (starting the project would give more bonus rp and flavor-wise, Vulcan ship designers would be coming over to Starfleet to work with our tech teams for the project)
*Economies of scale (making the eventual refits of the design cheaper in pp)
*Ask the Vulcans to design the ship for us (not really sure how that one would work)

I like these options - especially anything that could reduce PP costs.

Gingganz · Oct 28, 2016

I am inclined to believe Briefvoice and the claim that we face a a shortage of technicians, as seen in this post .

Given that, it seems unwise to start building an Oberth. Oberths are nice, but Excelsiors and Connie-Bs are more important.

fasquardon · Oct 28, 2016

Gingganz said:
I am inclined to believe Briefvoice and the claim that we face a a shortage of technicians, as seen in this post .

Given that, it seems unwise to start building an Oberth. Oberths are nice, but Excelsiors and Connie-Bs are more important.

I had thought we were building the Obreth because there wasn't enough crew for a Centaur. Changing my vote now.

lbmaian said:
No, I meant why is the option to build the base Centaur still even on the list. There's almost no scenario where it would be better to build a base Centaur than a refit Centaur.

OK, then you are asking about Centaurs - Centaur A is the refit. Centaur B will be refit #2.

fasquardon

Erandil · Oct 28, 2016

Gingganz said:
I am inclined to believe Briefvoice and the claim that we face a a shortage of technicians, as seen in this post .

Given that, it seems unwise to start building an Oberth. Oberths are nice, but Excelsiors and Connie-Bs are more important.

Shouldn't the inclusion of the Betazoids result in a notable increase in our recruiting as well as a one time boost?

Kelenas · Oct 28, 2016

fasquardon said:
That's not how you come across at all.

Rather you come across as someone with an irrational dislike of a ship that some of us see as being useful in a whole-fleet context.

Perhaps because some of you seem irrationally focused on wasting various resources on making a bad design slightly less bad, rather than thinking of how to use the same resources to strengthen the fleet and Federation in various other ways? And I'm trying to fight that because I'd rather not have it come and bite us in the ass some five, ten, or fifteen years down the line?

Having 8 Constellations and 4+ Centaur-As is better than having only 8 slightly better Constellations, and would cost us about the same amount of PP to get going. I really don't get what's so difficult to understand about that.

Glassware · Oct 28, 2016

Briefvoice said:
I don't know how people will vote until they vote, but that was some of the logic. Of course, that's Chen's problem IC. She can polish her resume as much as she wants, but Sulu is a legend of Starfleet. Remember how he rode to the rescue with the Klingons four years back? And even though he hasn't been doing much with his bonus as such, he's the one who has been assigning our Exploration Corps ships to keep thwarting the Cardassians. He could easily have had them exploring coreward or in some other non-contested direction instead, but he didn't (no matter how much some Council members probably wish otherwise). IC we didn't promote him to head of Intelligence, and he's playing in that field anyway.

It is admittedly kind of disturbing that Sulu has basically declared war on Cardassia and is conducting black ops missions without our knowledge...

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