I think he's already included those.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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We could put it in the other UP 3mt berth after the Centaur-A comes out in 2310Q2. After all, they haven't actually asked for it yet, so we have a little time before we need the berth open.
But this means we definitely need to ask for another 1mt at a Snakepit, or maybe a 2mt Cruiser berth. We are getting packed to the brim with ships.
Actually, my sheet assumes we do Academy expansions. They're already built in, the Science Academy one for Techs and a general expansion as well.
I really don't know why we would want to.
Almost certainly.
I think it depends on what year they ask. There will be an Excelsior berth opening up every year as the previous year's build finishes, so it's up to when they actually make the request. We don't really need to "keep it open" for them, I think.
Could we talk a little about where to put the new Excelsior? I get why people are assigning it to the CBZ, but @Nix had a good argument about putting it in Sol system. We've seen that fast ships can help out in neighboring sectors, and Sol borders a lot of sectors that don't have a powerful ship available. We don't want to start losing ships because of bad event rolls when we could have had an Excelsior answering the call.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
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- She/Her
No scrapping for now. But mothballing Mirandas to free up crew for Centaur-As, Connie-Bs and Excelsiors is a damn good idea.
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] S'harien
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
No Oberth due to Tech crew shortage in coming years if we build according to the current plan.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] S'harien
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
No Oberth due to Tech crew shortage in coming years if we build according to the current plan.
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[X] Commodore Maynard Banks
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] USS Aelin
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
changing plan.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] USS Aelin
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
changing plan.
- Location
- Panama City
[X] Commodore Maynard Banks
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] USS Aelin
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
[X][NAME] USS Aelin
[X][ASSIGN] Sol System
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
[X] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen
From my previous analysis, the bonuses from the other guys are pretty small (<10 SR annually or rerolling a <1% annually per UP-created ship). Rather have the "in case of emergency, press button" director. And she's an old friend - nepotism ftw
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
No brainer
[x][NAME] Odyssey
I favor culture-neutral adventurous names (I'm assuming "odyssey" is referring to the definition, rather than the Earth classic literature).
Undecided on where to assign the non-EC Excelsior.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
Available berth and free pp
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit, 1 Oberth
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Oberth in Utopia Planetia 3mt berth in Q2
From my previous analysis, the bonuses from the other guys are pretty small (<10 SR annually or rerolling a <1% annually per UP-created ship). Rather have the "in case of emergency, press button" director. And she's an old friend - nepotism ftw
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps Crew
No brainer
[x][NAME] Odyssey
I favor culture-neutral adventurous names (I'm assuming "odyssey" is referring to the definition, rather than the Earth classic literature).
Undecided on where to assign the non-EC Excelsior.
[X][EARTH] Allow the Excelsior build in one of the UP berths when they open in 2308Q2.
Available berth and free pp
[X][BUILD] 1 Excelsior, 1 Centaur-A, 1 Centaur-refit, 1 Oberth
-Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth A
-Refit the Centaur [Yukikaze] in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Centaur-A in Utopia Planetia 1mt berth in Q2
-Build Oberth in Utopia Planetia 3mt berth in Q2
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It is referring to the definition.
- Location
- Australia
Current Member World Fleets (as of 2307.Q4):
- Location
- USA
So the four original members have the same combat total as Starfleet. On the other hand the three other races listed exceed Starfleet and they are bringing 6 explorers to the party. I do see 4 Soyuz floating around which should get scrapped at some point and they have 5 Centaurs that could be refit. But yeah the force add from gaining new members is pretty nice and even if they stay in sector will help strengthen sector defenses during times of war. Also I am more of the mind to make sure we get a 3m and 1m berth in each system reserved for home use, that way they can add more ships along with update them.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Well that confirms no other Constitutions.
@OneirosTheWriter, can member nations take advantage of refits? Like can they upgrade their Centaurs toCentaur-Bs Centaur-As?
If so, that makes refits of Miranda and Constellation a bit more attractive. We may not have direct control over member fleets, but it'll matter in a war or crisis - remember during the biophage incident how we got donated (or was it lent?) a ship from a member world.
@OneirosTheWriter, can member nations take advantage of refits? Like can they upgrade their Centaurs to
If so, that makes refits of Miranda and Constellation a bit more attractive. We may not have direct control over member fleets, but it'll matter in a war or crisis - remember during the biophage incident how we got donated (or was it lent?) a ship from a member world.
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- USA
If we can bring the PP cost constellation yes, Miranda I am more iffy about. Though they still need a yard to refit the ship in and we have none to spare for a good while. Maybe if the Miranda refit came down to 10 and we have the yards to let them refit ships it could work.
Omake - Spy Spying Spyfully - Katsuragi
Katsuragi
The 1%
To say that it had been a stressful day for a chunk of the Enterprise crew would be something of an understatement. Fortunately for herself, that chunk didn't include her. No, the onerous of stress wasn't on her shoulders.
The doors to her office / quarters opened allowing a slightly ruffled looking andorian in.
"Afternoon, captain. I take it by your fluster that things aren't going particularly well?"
The other woman scowled slightly in a humorous and somewhat cute fashion. "No, and you damn well know that."
"Indeed." She lifted her cup of tea from the desk and took a sip, lapsing into a stereotypically British role of idle amusement. "But why don't you tell me about it anyways?"
"First contact is a bust." She stated as she began pacing the office. "Sure, everything started out well. Exchanging of ideas on culture, science, history... the usual. Then our respective delegations took a break to absorbing the gained information and organize our follow ups."
"And then the fire nation attacked?"
The Andorian woman ceased her pacing and glanced and her. "The what?"
"Sorry. Old Earth meme. Continue."
The captain shook her head slightly. "Right, well. When the contact proceeded they were on the offensive. Going on about our lack of understanding and appreciating about genetics and how we were speiciest against races who had engineered themselves. The tirade lasted for awhile before they kicked us out. A proper diplomatic team might be able to smooth things over, but we're definitely on the back foot here and it's out of my hands now."
"And?" She gestured slightly with her teacup.
"And. It was clearly a Cardassian ploy."
That, that earned a grin. "Oh? Are you sure you're not being unreasonably paranoid?"
"No, I'm being properly paranoid, thank you."
"Well. If it was a Carassian ploy, how would it have been done?"
She paused in thought for a moment. "There's communications traffic to the planet from various satellites in the system. The Cardassians could have passed along information they knew would irritate them mid contact."
"Mm. That's certainly one way, and not unreasonable. Go on."
"I suppose they could have already been here? Maybe made a contact in the diplomatic team? Bribes or just convincing them that they were right... if they passed on some information they knew would upset them and asked them to make sure the proceedings didn't go well..."
"Another not entirely unreasonable guess. This is the space between our spheres of influence, after all. History and general data of Starfleet, the Federation, and the members arn't exactly state secrets. It's entirely possible the Cardasians can, and will, have already seeded various stumbling blocks where they can."
"Not really helpful. I'd have to assume that any first contact that the Cardasians may have gotten there first and have planted something from Federation history that would set the race in question off."
"True. But you're in a better spot if you're not blindsided by it. You'd have to run any crew that might be handling such first contacts through some of the things in our histories that might be able to be twisted against us with the right spin. You have fairly good diplomats. If they're prepared ahead of time they should have a good shot at mitigating such spins."
"Yeah. I guess that's true. If they want to sabotage our efforts..."
"Poison the well that makes the Federation look so good. If something looks too good to be true, people will be looking for the other hand. Doesn't take much to tailor something that a race would find questionable and give it the right spin to blow up in our faces. Remember, sabotage isn't just bombs and stealing information. Hearts and minds is a potent weapon as well. Hearts and minds."
"I'll have some of the crew work on drawing something up so we're all familiar with areas of our various histories that stand out. This was...a productive lesson." A confident grin was offered.
"Mm. You're a quick student." A sly grin was returned.
"I'll have the crew members that were helping out in this... what did you call it?"
The grin twisted into genuine amusement. "Well. On Earth, it was a hobby known as "Live Action Roleplay" but I think we might be better served just calling it a tactical simulation."
"Right. Is my spy master free to eat?"
"Not a spy master, Captain. Just a humble, lowly Ensign. You shame me with such accusations. That said, I do find myself feeling a bit peckish..."
Nash did everything short of rolling her eyes.
...................
She reflected later, after dinner, that everything was going rather well. The crew was in general becoming somewhat indoctrinated into having some degree of espionage awareness beat into their heads and the good Captain would soon be at the point where she could point to a nacel giving off an odd energy reading and come up with 17 ways it could be a Cardassian plot, and 9 ways they could have pulled it off.
She enjoyed such sharp minds, and quite understood the draw of the good captain. Perhaps she should show her the various stories she'd inspired amongst the Romulans? Or perhaps better still, the Cardassian equivalent she'd had to trade a particularly juicy piece of information to an Orion official to get a copy of...
The doors to her office / quarters opened allowing a slightly ruffled looking andorian in.
"Afternoon, captain. I take it by your fluster that things aren't going particularly well?"
The other woman scowled slightly in a humorous and somewhat cute fashion. "No, and you damn well know that."
"Indeed." She lifted her cup of tea from the desk and took a sip, lapsing into a stereotypically British role of idle amusement. "But why don't you tell me about it anyways?"
"First contact is a bust." She stated as she began pacing the office. "Sure, everything started out well. Exchanging of ideas on culture, science, history... the usual. Then our respective delegations took a break to absorbing the gained information and organize our follow ups."
"And then the fire nation attacked?"
The Andorian woman ceased her pacing and glanced and her. "The what?"
"Sorry. Old Earth meme. Continue."
The captain shook her head slightly. "Right, well. When the contact proceeded they were on the offensive. Going on about our lack of understanding and appreciating about genetics and how we were speiciest against races who had engineered themselves. The tirade lasted for awhile before they kicked us out. A proper diplomatic team might be able to smooth things over, but we're definitely on the back foot here and it's out of my hands now."
"And?" She gestured slightly with her teacup.
"And. It was clearly a Cardassian ploy."
That, that earned a grin. "Oh? Are you sure you're not being unreasonably paranoid?"
"No, I'm being properly paranoid, thank you."
"Well. If it was a Carassian ploy, how would it have been done?"
She paused in thought for a moment. "There's communications traffic to the planet from various satellites in the system. The Cardassians could have passed along information they knew would irritate them mid contact."
"Mm. That's certainly one way, and not unreasonable. Go on."
"I suppose they could have already been here? Maybe made a contact in the diplomatic team? Bribes or just convincing them that they were right... if they passed on some information they knew would upset them and asked them to make sure the proceedings didn't go well..."
"Another not entirely unreasonable guess. This is the space between our spheres of influence, after all. History and general data of Starfleet, the Federation, and the members arn't exactly state secrets. It's entirely possible the Cardasians can, and will, have already seeded various stumbling blocks where they can."
"Not really helpful. I'd have to assume that any first contact that the Cardasians may have gotten there first and have planted something from Federation history that would set the race in question off."
"True. But you're in a better spot if you're not blindsided by it. You'd have to run any crew that might be handling such first contacts through some of the things in our histories that might be able to be twisted against us with the right spin. You have fairly good diplomats. If they're prepared ahead of time they should have a good shot at mitigating such spins."
"Yeah. I guess that's true. If they want to sabotage our efforts..."
"Poison the well that makes the Federation look so good. If something looks too good to be true, people will be looking for the other hand. Doesn't take much to tailor something that a race would find questionable and give it the right spin to blow up in our faces. Remember, sabotage isn't just bombs and stealing information. Hearts and minds is a potent weapon as well. Hearts and minds."
"I'll have some of the crew work on drawing something up so we're all familiar with areas of our various histories that stand out. This was...a productive lesson." A confident grin was offered.
"Mm. You're a quick student." A sly grin was returned.
"I'll have the crew members that were helping out in this... what did you call it?"
The grin twisted into genuine amusement. "Well. On Earth, it was a hobby known as "Live Action Roleplay" but I think we might be better served just calling it a tactical simulation."
"Right. Is my spy master free to eat?"
"Not a spy master, Captain. Just a humble, lowly Ensign. You shame me with such accusations. That said, I do find myself feeling a bit peckish..."
Nash did everything short of rolling her eyes.
...................
She reflected later, after dinner, that everything was going rather well. The crew was in general becoming somewhat indoctrinated into having some degree of espionage awareness beat into their heads and the good Captain would soon be at the point where she could point to a nacel giving off an odd energy reading and come up with 17 ways it could be a Cardassian plot, and 9 ways they could have pulled it off.
She enjoyed such sharp minds, and quite understood the draw of the good captain. Perhaps she should show her the various stories she'd inspired amongst the Romulans? Or perhaps better still, the Cardassian equivalent she'd had to trade a particularly juicy piece of information to an Orion official to get a copy of...
Angling for: Nash providing a bonus to resisting espionage actions when she's involved.
The home fleets do have their own 1mt berths; the trouble is that only Amarkia has big enough berths to build an Excelsior. That's why they need to borrow Starfleet's. In time they'll likely build their own docks, now that there's something worth building.
Current Member World Fleets (as of 2307.Q4):
That is a heck of a spreadsheet. And wow, the Caitains and the Rigellians would bring major firepower to the Federation. The Cardassians were right to be worried about the member fleets. Starfleet is the top of the iceberg that everyone can see, but there are more ships submerged. Not very good ships, mind you, but what happens when they all start building Renaissances?
- Location
- Australia
Yes, they can, which will probably be happening soon.
Which Starfleet then got shot to pieces
Oh, member worlds have their own shipyards for that work. They just don't have any explorer size berths, and they also use them for civilian builds, so there's a bit of competition there.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Doing the refit project for the Miranda in the advent of a war is a good idea, since Miranda-A and Centaur-A have the same combat stats (C/H/L). If we're running low on either SR or crew, or simply want to avoid the potential liability the Miranda is in a war, we can opt to refit 2 Miranda-As (over 2 years) instead of building a Centaur-A in 2 years.
Even better!
AKuz
Been Better
- Location
- A Rising Tide of Horrors
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Which First Contact is this supposed to be about?
- Location
- somewhere
Patricia Chen would be invaluable to have during the Ambassador prototype, but she keeps changing jobs so I don't think she will still be there. Maynard Banks bonus looks invaluable (95% safe with reroll = 99.75% safe without), but to take proper advantage of it we'd have to design new ships with high fudge factors, that are then only built at UP, and only while Banks is there. Not viable at all. Also it requires @OneirosTheWriter to keep track of which ships were built at UP, not a huge deal, but these things add up. So Trinnarv Xursh by default.
Katsuragi
The 1%
It's not, hence the LARP title and reference in story.
Basically, Aymi tossed the good Captain some roles to hand out to various members of the crew ranging from playing a first contact race to Cardy intelligence people along with a secret packet of information for the Cardies to let them know what resources they had access to, their history in the given system, etc.
Hence simulation of a first contact.
I personally want an Omake about the aftermath of the timeloop ambush battle, I want to see how that would effect our captain, and how it reverberates through Starfleet.
You know, sometimes I underestimate Starfleet's combat power because we have so many of our Explorers on Exploration duty. But wow, seven Explorers/Heavy Cruisers mustered together are a hell of a force. They could smash the entire navy of other powers on their own, and with the Member world fleets protecting the home worlds we could afford to send them.
The Cardassians should really stop poking us. I know they won't, but they should.
Yeah, but then you look at Xursh's savings and it doesn't really amount to a lot. Especially as UP is sort of going to be our "research yard" where we test and prototype new designs. In the event war were declared, Chen's ability might come in handy.
The Cardassians should really stop poking us. I know they won't, but they should.
Yeah, but then you look at Xursh's savings and it doesn't really amount to a lot. Especially as UP is sort of going to be our "research yard" where we test and prototype new designs. In the event war were declared, Chen's ability might come in handy.