I think he just means explorers with more in all stats, which is definitely something we will do when our technology has matured a bit.
yeah, it's still an Explorer, just a bigger and tougher one for the 'rough frontier'....

it'd ideally work in conjuction with a modern regular explorer and an older one that functions as a Medium Cruiser.

It'd be what we sent into areas of High Threat.
 
Hmm, with the Miracht exploring corewards diplomatic events for them are now very likely to be with the Rigellians and Betazoids. Caitians, Indorians and Apiata continue to be likely partners for the diplomatic events of our other Explorers. Even without diplomatic pushes accessions seem likely.
 
[Haven't read pages 307 and 308 of the thread, lack time to do so before I have to go. Sorry.]


Ahhh. Diminishing returns have started to kick in on computer tech for RP gains. :(

It's still beneficial to push computer technology, but less so, and at some future date it may cease to be worth it- though we're nowhere near there yet.

Are "Way of the Anchor," "Way of the Elephant," and "Way of the Giant" mutually exclusive? It'd be kind of punitive if they are.

...

It's good to know the Cardassians HAVE light escort units. Although their Takaaki-class is a pretty tough cookie, we can match it with the Centaur-A, and even a notional Miranda-A would at least be not-hopelessly-outclassed against it.

Also, either the Apiata are grossly overestimating the number of Cardie ships (probably because when they see one ship they assume there must be a swarm of others nearby), or BOTH the Indorians AND our own signals intelligence are wrong, even though our SIGINT is being gathered from so close up that we literally flew right up to one of their own colonies.

My money's on the "dozen escorts, ten cruisers, and one explorer" being closer to on the money, although I bet there's some underestimate too (e.g. the Cardies having multiple explorers)
 
While I'm sad that it looks like the Syndraxians are pretty much a lost cause, reading that the Cardassians are looking to open diplomatic channels is great. Lets us bring our true specialty to bear :drevil:

Mwahahahaha :evil::D
 
Huh, looked through and there really isn't anyone that we're interested in up for a promotion or reassignment, kind of a dead year. Hmm.

Btw, people, if you've seen @anon_user's person database that you've put up, if you highlight a name in yellow it goes onto the tracking for Rat Race posts.

Are "Way of the Anchor," "Way of the Elephant," and "Way of the Giant" mutually exclusive? It'd be kind of punitive if they are.


No, not mutually exclusive.
 
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I think I may be underestimating the Cardassian escort in the above post. On the other hand, the point remains that it's not beyond our Centaur-A class in some absolute sense of the word. The odds might or might not be favorable fighting them but it wouldn't be a complete mismatch.

Also, I will note that hull points are a little funny because of the combat engine. Ships lose combat potential when they fall below 75%, 50%, and 25% hull. A ship that has three hull points and loses one immediately drops below 75% but not 50%... as does a ship with two hull points that loses one of them.

The difference is that on the NEXT hit, the Hull 2 ship will go 'bang,' while the Hull 3 ship is still limping along contributing a tiny amount of firepower to the fleet.
 
@OneirosTheWriter
More research stuff
Do we have to keep researching Early 24th Century Computing Installations to get Pattern 3 SCF (Supercomputer Facility I), or will researching 2320s Research Centers also progress it?

Did we open the higher tiers of Mineral Tech? You didn't say we did, but they aren't marked closed

We don't appear to have gotten any bleedover into next tier for the the Xenopsych stuff we finished.

Shield Geometry I (+1 to Damage Evasion Attempts) is under both 2320s Deflector Shields and Shield Regen Project. Only the first one has it's ongoing progress showing.

Starship Construction progress isn't showing on the research page.
 
Given the relationship with the Klingons seems to be positive and stable, is it time to look into something like an officer exchange program? A posting on the USS Sappho might be educational for everyone involved, for example.
 
So, I was writing a thing, and it occurred to me that we have no idea what Admiral Kahurangi looks like.

I'm tempted to just arbitrarily assign visual details. But well you know this is the current main Player avatar for the quest; not one of many secondary characters (You know the ones I made up or narrativly kidnapped > : P )


....I always pictured her as looking like an older Misato.
 
[Haven't read pages 307 and 308 of the thread, lack time to do so before I have to go. Sorry.]


Ahhh. Diminishing returns have started to kick in on computer tech for RP gains. :(

It's still beneficial to push computer technology, but less so, and at some future date it may cease to be worth it- though we're nowhere near there yet.

Are "Way of the Anchor," "Way of the Elephant," and "Way of the Giant" mutually exclusive? It'd be kind of punitive if they are.

...

It's good to know the Cardassians HAVE light escort units. Although their Takaaki-class is a pretty tough cookie, we can match it with the Centaur-A, and even a notional Miranda-A would at least be not-hopelessly-outclassed against it.

Also, either the Apiata are grossly overestimating the number of Cardie ships (probably because when they see one ship they assume there must be a swarm of others nearby), or BOTH the Indorians AND our own signals intelligence are wrong, even though our SIGINT is being gathered from so close up that we literally flew right up to one of their own colonies.

My money's on the "dozen escorts, ten cruisers, and one explorer" being closer to on the money, although I bet there's some underestimate too (e.g. the Cardies having multiple explorers)

The cardassians having a powerful escort makes sense, given their Combined Arms paradigm. Its also not the end of the world if their escorts or even their cruisers are a bit better than ours, since our paradigm emphasizes explorers at the expense of smaller ships. The reason we're pushing the ConnieBee is to patrol our home sectors, not to fight on the front lines.

The biggest concern is their own explorer-equivalent, and the possibility of them making many more of those.
 
Ooh, I really like all the revealed Lone Ranger stuff, especially Way of the Giant :D
 
Unless there is a redeployment vote this quarter the next vote will be the shipyard operations one. One item will be whether the Excelsior finishing in 2309 should be crewed with Explorer Corps crew, an obvious yes, after all we did a recruitment drive for that purpose. As for shipbuilding, @Briefvoice 's plan only calls for an Excelsior in 40 Eridani A, but that's because assuming builds start in Q1 is easier with the spreadsheet. In 2309 it calls for an Oberth and refitting an existing Centaur. We have 3mt berth in 40 Eridani A and from Q2 on all berths in Utopia Planitia available and as far as I can figure 365sr to play with (br is probably not a problem for any possible build plan this year).

Pulling up the Oberth should have no downsides, and I don't see any home fleet ships finishing before the plan calls for the refit, so pulling that up should also be fine (will exceed our current defence needs by 27 D total).

Alternatively we could build an Excelsior and up to 3 new Centaur-A's. Briefvoice's plan doesn't call for any more of those at all, but we should be able to start the first 4 Constition-Bs on plan anyway given the discount. It might muck up the plan more severely some point down the line, but you could argue that getting acceptable ships asap is the priority and we can worry about that later.

Or we could pick a middle ground, starting an Excelsior, Oberth, a Centaur refit and a new Centaur-A.
 
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They still are expensive and crew heavy.

Expensive and crew heavy enough that we are building dozens and will need to do something with those hulls when we have the Ambassador.

@OneirosTheWriter: Can we do refits to increase the automation of our ships as we research better computer technology?

Also tbh there are a hell of a lot of ship classes in Starfleet, the designs listed on the front page doesn't even scratch the surface.

Most of those ships seem to have been short production runs though. Under a dozen for most, if not being produced as a unique class (as most of the Dominion War kitbashes seem to have been). Compare that for the close to 200 Excelsiors built, the similar number of Constellations built, the two dozen Obreths built or the close to 1000 Mirandas built...

So canon Starfleet has alot of ship classes, but most of the fleet's strength during TNG and DS9 was in ship designs that were close to 100 years old.

fasquardon
 
2307.Q4 - The Rat Race
Starfleet Personnel - Promotions Board

2307.Q4
Highlighted Officer's Summary


Promoted to Lieutenant
Aaron Wolfe - Assigned to Analysis Division, Starfleet Tactical Command

Promoted to Lieutenant-Commander
None

Promoted to Commander
None

Promoted to Captain
None

Promoted to Commodore
None

Promoted to Rear Admiral
None

Promoted to Vice Admiral
None

Retirements
None

Key Reassignments

Captain Rosalee McAdams - Assigned to USS Endurance

Changes to Explorer Panel of Captains
Out: None
In: None

Placed on Sabbatical/Convalescent Leave
None

(QM/N: Huh, just a dead year)

Starfleet Personnel - Discipline

The Board of Inquiry of Captain Michel Thuir and the senior officers of the USS Miracht took place under the supervision of the Chief of Staff of Tactical Command, Rear Admiral O'Keefe. After fully reviewing the circumstances surrounding the case and the unforseeable nature of the likely Cardassian intervention, and Captain Thuir's efforts at great personal risk to retrieve the situation, the board found the Captain to not be liable for the damage and loss of life suffered by the USS Miracht.


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Continued Diplomatic Push

Indorions 228/500 + 9 = 237/500
Apiata 212/500 + 32 = 244/500

Rigel Sector
Rigel
- Provides: 20br, 10sr, 5rp, 5pp, 0.1 Officer, 0.3 Enlisted, 0.15 Tech
- Requires: D0
- Installations: Ferasa Station [Starbase I], Lagan-Shir@Rivel VIII(1 x 2.5mt berth, 1 x 1500kt berth)
- Local Currently: 1 Megatortoise, 5 Turtleships, 4 Cutters, 3 Old Cuttesr



===============

Starfleet Shipyard Operations Construction Update

Admiral,


As per the construction plan approved at the beginning of 2307, the following construction has commenced:

Centaur-A (Build Order NCC-2104) @ San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth 1 - ETC 2309.Q4
Centaur-A (Build Order NCC-2105) @ San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth 2 - ETC 2309.Q4

Centaur-A (Build Order NCC-2106) @ 40 Eridani A Berth 1 - ETC 2309.Q4
Centaur-A (Build Order NCC-2107) @ 40 Eridani A Berth 2 - ETC 2309.Q4

This has required 320 units of Bulk Resources, and 280 units of Special Resources, and will tie up the four 1,000 kiloton shipyard berths until late 2309.

Respectfully,
Vice Admiral Sousa
 
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[Haven't read pages 307 and 308 of the thread, lack time to do so before I have to go. Sorry.]


Ahhh. Diminishing returns have started to kick in on computer tech for RP gains. :(

It's still beneficial to push computer technology, but less so, and at some future date it may cease to be worth it- though we're nowhere near there yet.

Are "Way of the Anchor," "Way of the Elephant," and "Way of the Giant" mutually exclusive? It'd be kind of punitive if they are.

...

It's good to know the Cardassians HAVE light escort units. Although their Takaaki-class is a pretty tough cookie, we can match it with the Centaur-A, and even a notional Miranda-A would at least be not-hopelessly-outclassed against it.

Also, either the Apiata are grossly overestimating the number of Cardie ships (probably because when they see one ship they assume there must be a swarm of others nearby), or BOTH the Indorians AND our own signals intelligence are wrong, even though our SIGINT is being gathered from so close up that we literally flew right up to one of their own colonies.

My money's on the "dozen escorts, ten cruisers, and one explorer" being closer to on the money, although I bet there's some underestimate too (e.g. the Cardies having multiple explorers)
They had to. the cut from 9 to 8 rp per team was 11%. The cut from 10 to 9 was 10%. So if we had 360* RP, then with no computer tech, we could have 36 teams. With the first, we'd have 40, and with the second, we'd have 45. So it was actually increasing returns before. If we could cut the RP cost per team down to 7, then we'd activate 51.4 teams.

*Evenly divisible by 10, 9 and 8 for ease of demonstration
 
Omake - Cardassian Intel Report - Briefvoice
Translation of Cardassian Intelligence Report 2307Q4

Report to Rear Admiral Nash zh'Rhashaan

Admiral, the following report was intercepted while being routed through a Cardassian subspace relay. I have forwarded it to you with greatest possible speed, and I believe you will find it to be of interest. My one note of caution is a reminder that we have indications the Cardassians utilize multiple intelligence services operating on differing levels of secrecy and need-to-know status. It is possible that the highest levels of Cardassian government have access to additional details regarding Starfleet that this Gul Zinther is simply not authorized to know about.

USS T'Mir

*****
From: Gul Zinther
To: Legate Dunor

Sir:
Per your request I have re-summarized the current state of our knowledge regarding the fleet status and movements of the primary military arm of the United Federation of Planets, known as "Starfleet". I believe your previous confusion arises from my failure to properly place Starfleet in context to what we know about the Federation's political structure. The sections below entitled "Summary of Federation Political Structure" and "Starfleet versus Home Fleets" should make matters clearer. None of this information will be new to you, but my hope is that by presenting it in a more structured format the chain of logic will be easier to follow.

Summary of Federation Political Structure
The Federation freely provides information on its basic history and government structure, even upon first contact scenarios. While obviously this information is heavily propagandized and designed to evoke favorable responses, the question from the beginning has been why they do not maintain tighter information security. My colleagues seem to attribute this to a lack of discipline and the general foolishness of aliens. I however, find that aliens usually have a reason for the mistakes they make. Personal flaws are proceeded by societal flaws, and it is in the structure of Federation society that we may find our answer.

The Federation's origins lie over 100 years ago in a military alliance between four species of moderate power against an entity known as the Romulan Star Empire. We know very little about this 'Star Empire' though the Federation's information packet implies they are still in existence. At any rate after successfully fighting off the Romulans in a war of unknown duration and intensity, these four species (Andorians, Humans, Vulcans, and Tellarites) were sufficiently pleased with their alliance to enter a more permanent arrangement. Each species on its own lacked the military might to claim extensive swathes of territory. However by cooperating they had the sufficient ships and resource base to dominate all their near neighbors and enforce territorial claims.

Why this arrangement managed to persist rather than fall apart due to internal struggles for control is a mystery best left to the social scientists. Most assuredly the resulting Federation over-government was weak and probably little more than a means of mediating disputes among its members. Certainly you would see nothing like the respect, duty, and honor we owe to the State and the resulting effectiveness of our Union. My personal suspicion is that there was a local power vacuum due to circumstances of history, and the weak proto-Federation found itself with even weaker species to make into client states. Success, even as a result of the weakness of your opponents, can cover over many faults.

It was likely at this time that Starfleet formed. With each member species concerned about showing too much weakness to the other, they hit upon the solution of a mixed-species command for their most powerful warships. With Andorians and Humans and Vulcans and Tellarites all serving together in Starfleet, it would be nearly impossible for one power to successfully plot a coup and take control. The target's own people would be in so many key positions that concealment would be virtually impossible, You will see at once that this portends poorly for information security. Unlike our own state service where information is dispensed only to those who need to know, the Federation's continuing existence was predicated on the fact that no one in its military could keep a secret.

Admittedly with the passage of time and entire generations growing up seeing the Federation's permanent military alliance as a natural state of affairs, the Federation government and Starfleet likely stabilized considerably. As we know from our own experience with client races, patience and the work of many years is needed to convince a people to accept a permanently subordinate position. However it can be done, as shown again and again by the success of our Union in such endeavors. As power flowed to the Federation government and Starfleet continued to hold the most prized commands, ambitious politicians and soldiers began to seek their careers in the Federation rather than their own member world governments and the Federation grew to have true power of its own.

How this slow process of can be reconciled with the recent elevation of a new species known as the Amarki to full Federation membership has yet to be determined. They seem to have been offered the same deal as the other four, a chance to collectively dominate the local galactic neighborhood. Certainly this is suspiciously fortuitous for the Amarki, who would otherwise have found themselves pinned between the Federation on one side and our expanding Union on the other, likely to be crushed in between. Indeed it's hardly a leap to suppose that the Amarki have known about our Union for far longer than they pretend and negotiated entrance to the Federation in the hopes of protecting themselves. What the Federation gained from agreeing to divide up their dominion with a fifth race is unknown, and there must be more to the story than the propaganda they broadcast.

Further analysis of the Federation and potential cracks in their alliance is of course ongoing.

Starfleet versus Home Fleets
As perceptive as you are Legate Dunor, I am certain you noticed certain key phrases above. Phrases such as "mixed-species command for their most powerful warships" and "Starfleet continued to hold the most prized commands" which imply that the Federation has less powerful warships and less prized commands that are not part of Starfleet. That implication would be correct. As should be obvious from their history, the Federation's members species would have been extremely foolish indeed to place all of their military might in Starfleet's basket in those early days.

Instead each Federation member maintains what has become known as the "Home Fleet", a number of warships that exclusively owned and crewed by their member species solely for the protection of their home worlds and possibly major colonies (this is unclear). Home Fleet vessels are apparently deployed outside their home systems only in the most dire of emergencies, while Starfleet handles sector-wide responses, patrols, and suppression of rebellious colonies or client species. These Home Fleets are an intriguing indication that the unity of the Federation members is less solid than they pretend, given the apparent drive to maintain the authority derived from an independent military.

I am sure you have many questions regarding the composition and fleet strength of these Home Fleets, Legate Dunor. Unfortunately, the answers have proved exceedingly elusive. Much of what I explained above was gleaned from mentions in passing during various communications dealing with other topics. Information about and discussion of Starfleet itself is wildly popular in the Federation, with us having been able to glean remarkable amounts of information simply from gossip among various Federation clients. By contrast the Home Fleets are never discussed publicly (at least among client races), and since they rarely move there is no signal traffic to intercept. I am unable to provide Home Fleet numbers or ship types or even absolute confirmation of the Home Fleet's existence for any Federation member with the exception of the Amarki, who definitely had at least one heavy cruiser before integration and are unlikely to have lost it in the interim.

Divisions within Starfleet
The last organizational matter we must turn our attention to is a split within Starfleet's command structure. A large portion of the Federation's heavy cruisers are permanently detailed to a sub-division of Starfleet known as the "Exploration Corps." The Exploration Corps has an independent Legate-equivalent commander and is considered something of an elite service, being detailed the best troops and considered to have the most prestigious commands. The starship Enterprise and its infamous commander Nash ka'Sharren belong to the Exploration Corps. A comparison to our own Order system is unavoidable, though as always when dealing with aliens I must caution you to avoid assuming too much from superficial similarities.

The Exploration Corps purports to consist solely of heavy cruisers from the Federation's Excelsior class that are capable of operating for extended periods of time without operational support. Its primary mandate (once one cuts through the propaganda about the glories of exploration) is to push back the Federation's frontiers, seeking new resources and new species to take as clients. As we share a frontier with the Federation, it is unsurprising that encounters with Exploration Corps heavy cruisers have proved common. Their propensity to operate unsupported is an exploitable vulnerability.

If all of this seems rather detailed information for an enemy with which we have no formal contact, I must emphasize again the importance of continual propaganda and conditioning in holding the Federation's member races together in their unnatural multi-racial union. Consequently they are forced again and again to sacrifice information security in favor of cultural unity, using the Exploration Corps in their propaganda as "heroic figures" which their member races and their so-called "affiliate" clients can rally behind. While this commonly available information no doubt contains many lies, exaggerations, and misdirections regarding motivation, we can take it as accurate in the broadest strokes.

Fleet Composition
Having briefly summarized the Federation's structure, we now have context to discuss the Federation's fleet status without your prior confusion regarding my use of the terms "Home Fleet" and "Exploration Corps". Let us first begin with a discussion of ship classes. You will be able to reference each of these in your database for available statistics.

Heavy Cruiser "Excelsior Class":
Familiar to us from our encounters with the Enterprise, we have encountered four of these ships belonging to the Exploration Corps on our frontier, and it appears Starfleet regular service has assigned at least one additional Excelsior as part of a border patrol group between the Federation and the Union. However our contacts among the race known as "Orions" assure us that this represents the majority of Starfleet's available heavy cruiser supply, with only one or two more being in service throughout the entirety of their territory. It is unsurprising that once they were able to guess the skill, potency, and numbers of the Cardassian Union's fleet the Federation has responded by concentrating their most powerful ships on our shared frontier.

Heavy Cruiser/Destroyer "Constitution Class":
The USS Cheron represented a great concern when it appeared as part of the Starfleet border patrol, as the Federation apparently had a destroyer capable of matching our own Jaldun class. Subsequent analysis of Federation historical propaganda has alleviated these concerns, as the Cheron is apparently the last of the Federation's previous generation of heavy cruisers, a relic retained in service and called up to in a desperate attempt to hold back the Union. While the Cheron itself is still potent when matched against a Jaldun, we need not be worried about the ship class. They aren't going to be making any more of these.

Light Cruiser "Constellation Class":
We know the Federation uses a light cruiser model that is notably inferior to the Jaldun class and that there is at least one such cruiser in the border patrol fleet. Unfortunately our usual source of information, Federation propaganda, focuses very little on these lesser ships. The Orions believe that the Federation has between six and twelve of these ships.

Escort "?????":
We have also recently seen at least one escort in the border patrol fleet, believed to be slightly inferior to our own Takaaki. Despite this inferiority, the Orions inform us that the escort is a new model and that the Federation extensively uses an older, even more inferior class of escorts. How many escorts the Federation has is unknown other than "a lot".

While the above might seem to paint a very positive picture of Starfleet's numerical inferiority, technological inferiority, and doctrinal inferiority in allowing its most powerful ships to act unsupported, I must issue several cautions. First, none of the above numbers include the "Home Fleets" discussed earlier, meaning that in a state of war Starfleet could afford to throw all these ships at us while leaving key systems defended, or even mass all of the Home Fleets in one vast destructive push. At a certain point quantity has a quality all its own, and we have absolutely no idea of Home Fleet composition.

Second, there are indications that the Federation's current fleet strength is at less than could be maintained by its total industrial capacity. Likely our Union presents the greatest threat the Federation has seen in many decades, and its political class had been allowing Starfleet to decay in order to weaken a rival power base. Federation propaganda as filtered through the Orions states that several Starfleet shipyards have been opened or expanded in the last five years and are reportedly very active. While the other ship designs are inferior to our own, the Excelsiors are a solid class that represent a serious threat to our fleet.

Fortunately heavy cruisers are famously expensive and to build and crew. Even if production has increased, there are likely sharp limits to the Federation's rate of output. I hope that you have found this summary more informative and less confusing than my first attempt, Legate Dunor. In deference to your impatience for a better second attempt, I have taken the liberty of transmitting it by subspace ahead of my own arrival.
 
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