I'd prefer if we refit a Centaur this turn. In particular, can we refit Yukikaze? Some of what I've written assumes that's the first Centaur-A launched, so it would be nice if that was true.
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Yeah. My main concern is to keep the possible members out of the Cardassians camp and if possible to affiliate status.
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If we can spare the defense is would like it to go to one ofor the utopia berths, low cost but makes it even better and it will be done before the other centaurs. Then post it on CBS for a solid escort there
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Interest yes, but I don't see it as a priority. Maybe next year if we get a bonus for meeting our goal of 5 5YM early.
3/4 of a push on an affiliate happens after the research anyway, so even if it does it shouldn't matter much.
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How much does a budget request actually, well, increase our budget by? Because at 30 PP it seems rather expensive to me, given that for the same amount of PP we could build 3-4 mining or research colonies, with some points left over. And unlike the request, their success is guaranteed.
I have to admit the whole thing seems a little iffy to me. Maybe ask the GM for clarification for how the whole thing is supposed to work? If it is a matter of basically tapping their potential early, it would make sense for the bonus to disappear once they become full members. If it's a matter of increasing the recruitment drive for them, specifically, it would make sense that we should be able to have some similar option for full members at a later date.
There's also the question of cost-efficiency versus the other recruitment options, ie Starfleet and Science Academy.
- Science Academy provides +1 Crew for 20 pp, or 2 pp per .1 crew. It's locked to Techs, admittedly, but IIRC we can adjust Starfleet Academy recruitment policies to compensate at least somewhat.
- Academy Expansion provides +0.5 Crew for 35 PP, or 7 PP per .1 crew.
- Affiliate Recruitment Drive provides +0.3 Crew for 25 PP, or 8.3 PP per .1 crew.
Overall, the Affiliate Recruitment strikes me as a bit of a waste of PP.
Potential humor omake, maybe?
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I want to basically stop pushes on affiliates till we've got more ships. And I'm going to be pushing Excelsior + refits for shipyard ops, because we've got the Connie Refit incoming and I don't want to have too many light berths tied up when it hits.
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Could you add the Centaur Refit to the ships page?
And when are Explorer Corps crew upgrades happening? It was supposed to be every 8 turns/2 years IIRC, but there's been no upgrades to natural elite on the first three.
Edit: Snakepit wise I want to fire Ablett, boost intel, get that sweet special resource colony, and maybe snag some of those dirt cheap berths.
@OneirosTheWriter
Could you add the Centaur Refit to the ships page?
And when are Explorer Corps crew upgrades happening? It was supposed to be every 8 turns/2 years IIRC, but there's been no upgrades to natural elite on the first three.
Edit: Snakepit wise I want to fire Ablett, boost intel, get that sweet special resource colony, and maybe snag some of those dirt cheap berths.
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The OP of the ship design thread has updated info on refitted ships.
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The last budget increase was substantial, but I don't know if it's always this size, based on the number of contributing members & affiliates, or other reasons.
From 2304.Q2 Snake Pit Epilogue
Apparently this was a double budget expansion, so half of this - 50/30.
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Was 50br 30 sr last time.
You are comparing standard and EC crews there (also missing that the academy expansion provides 1.5 crew total). The point was that we currently have a shortfall of officers in the EC, so more officers will allow us to use more of our otherwise probably useless enlisted and technicians, and EC crew is significantly more valuable than standard crew anyway.
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Academy expansion is .5 of each crew type so 1.5 crew total or 2.3 pp per .1 crewHow much does a budget request actually, well, increase our budget by? Because at 30 PP it seems rather expensive to me, given that for the same amount of PP we could build 3-4 mining or research colonies, with some points left over. And unlike the request, their success is guaranteed.
I have to admit the whole thing seems a little iffy to me. Maybe ask the GM for clarification for how the whole thing is supposed to work? If it is a matter of basically tapping their potential early, it would make sense for the bonus to disappear once they become full members. If it's a matter of increasing the recruitment drive for them, specifically, it would make sense that we should be able to have some similar option for full members at a later date.
There's also the question of cost-efficiency versus the other recruitment options, ie Starfleet and Science Academy.
- Science Academy provides +1 Crew for 20 pp, or 2 pp per .1 crew. It's locked to Techs, admittedly, but IIRC we can adjust Starfleet Academy recruitment policies to compensate at least somewhat.
- Academy Expansion provides +0.5 Crew for 35 PP, or 7 PP per .1 crew.
- Affiliate Recruitment Drive provides +0.3 Crew for 25 PP, or 8.3 PP per .1 crew.
Overall, the Affiliate Recruitment strikes me as a bit of a waste of PP.
Potential humor omake, maybe?
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It applys for all future years though, right?
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That's a double budget expansion, we started that Snakepit getting one given to us for free, and asked for a 2nd one so they got combined.
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Ah, thank you. Good to know.
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Hmm, seeing as we have two unexploited mining posts, do you think it would be possible that if a third one is located that the three could be bundled together for an amount of political points less than what they would be individually?
Thanks for correcting me on the Academy Expansion error.
Though I would expect that expanding the Academy would increase the amount of EC we'd get out of it as well. Based on the frontpage it seems like ~20-25% of total crew recruitment would go into EC, which incidentally would translate to .1 EC crew for the Academy Expansion.
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It doesn't, we already expanded the academy 3 times. It used to be that we had no means of permanently increasing EC crew recuitment at all (other than omake boni).
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@OneirosTheWriter, I have noticed some small problems in the Research Megapost:
- It says about Warp Technology:
Early 24th Century Warp Cores
Warp Cores and power generation all come under here.
Early 24th Century Warp Core Safety
Warp Core Safety/Reliability comes under here
Still, K19 Main Engineering System Module and Light-Weight Coolant Redundancy are sorted into Early 24th Century Warp Cores, despite increasing Safety/Reliability;
whereas Warp Core Power Generation I is sorted into Early 24th Century Warp Core Safety, despite being about power generation.
x - The Turn of the Century Starship Frames category has not been updated.
x - We haven't yet finished the TOC Mineral Technology research, but the Early 24th Century categories are not marked as locked.
x - In Romulan Research, Tactical Analysis I ought to be greyed out.
So here are my thoughts. I think we should split the difference and start an Excelsior (2308Q1), an Oberth (2308Q3), and a Centaur-A (2308Q3) but no refits. I am uncomfortable taking any hulls out of service for refits with ships as tight as they may be once new members join... and events could easily push Betazed or the Caitians over both at once or at the same time no matter what we choose to do with Diplomatic pushes. I only want to start taking ships out of service for refitting in 2310, after those four Centaur-As are fully in service.
As for more Centaur-As than that, my plan calls for a huge Constitution-B building push in 2309Q3/2310Q1 when we start five Constitution-Bs and an Excelsior. That's going to require requesting an Excelsior's worth of resources in 2309 snakepit, and still be a little tight (estimated SR goes as low as 95). Still, I think we could safely start those three ships, and I'm happy to get an extra Centaur-A snuck in. They really are nice generalist ships for our home sectors.
See below. This assumes a Science Academy Expansion in 2308 and a general Academy Expansion in 2309, and we still run short of crew starting in 2315. (Though I'm sure we'll do better by then; it assumes no new members and no new Affiliates.)
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We could do rolling refits where we refit said ships one or two at a time. I also doubt said refits would take as long as building a new ship.
That is indeed what my plan shows and you're right, refits only take 1 year each. However I'd still rather not start them until 2310.
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I find @sebsmith 's point that a refit started in 2308.Q2 would vacate the berth just in time for the Constitution-B to become available very persuasive. Only 27 D spare rather than 29 D probably won't make a difference for that year. I'm even somewhat tempted to start 2 refits, but that would probably be too many.
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Is the plan that year to take advantage of the SR discount on the first four Constitution-B's, and create all four that year, along with a regular Excelsior? In current BR & SR annual earnings alone, we nearly can cover it, let alone the additional from what we pull in from Captain's Logs, or any science improvements between then and now.
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I'm thinking about starting 5-6 in 2309, 4 in Q4 and 1-2 in Q2. That would include the discounted ones. I think between the leftover this year and events we can make the SR.
Be very careful about assumptions on Captain's log income. Remember failed events can damage ships, requiring both crew and br/sr for repairs. We've had some very bad years on that, not even counting the Biophage crisis. Look at 2306 and how beat-up our ships got in that year.