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You make it sound like there is a contradiction? We are both saying the same thing: Not in 2308, but in 2309 or later.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Sorry, I misread. You are quite correct.
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@Briefvoice,
Do we have a good list anywhere of which berths will be available when? How many berths, total, open up before we can start producing Constitution-Bs?
Do we have a good list anywhere of which berths will be available when? How many berths, total, open up before we can start producing Constitution-Bs?
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When should we introduce a new science ship?
There's 900 kt designs floating around now in the SDB that are decent escorts/garrison ships and great science ships.
My take on the Kepler:
C2 S7 H2 L3 P2 D3
90BR 55SR
99.3ish reliability
8 Techs (≤L2)
Also, the tentative name for the class is Kepler.
There's 900 kt designs floating around now in the SDB that are decent escorts/garrison ships and great science ships.
My take on the Kepler:
C2 S7 H2 L3 P2 D3
90BR 55SR
99.3ish reliability
8 Techs (≤L2)
Also, the tentative name for the class is Kepler.
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I don't think the Cardassian Union predates the Federation.
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I am in favor of refitting one or both centaurs if we have the berth space and if we can afford to take them out for a year.
Honestly, the whole thing regarding the Constellation refit just seems like a big Sunk Cost Fallacy to me. "We have them, so we need to make them useful somehow."
Rather than trying to make a rather crappy design somewhat less crappy, we'd be better off making sure we can churn out better and/or more modern designs in larger quantities. Essentially, start the Renaissance project, bridge the time until then with Connie-Bs, and invest the PP in things like additional berths, bigger budget, or larger academy.
Investing those 45 PP into the Constellation just seems like a complete and utter waste to me.
Rather than trying to make a rather crappy design somewhat less crappy, we'd be better off making sure we can churn out better and/or more modern designs in larger quantities. Essentially, start the Renaissance project, bridge the time until then with Connie-Bs, and invest the PP in things like additional berths, bigger budget, or larger academy.
Investing those 45 PP into the Constellation just seems like a complete and utter waste to me.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The rennie is getting started next turn regardless but it's not going to be ready to help with a war with the Cardassians, the Constellation refit on the other hand will.
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I think we can afford to take ANY ship out for a year if we need to, especially a relatively small one like a Centaur.
My money's on introducing something like this some time in the 2310s, after the Rennies are in the prototyping phase. We'll be in the middle of a major military buildup, and this might do a bit to convince the Council we're not going crazy-warlike on them.
Alternatively we can suggest it at the same time we suggest a weapons design tech team, but that might be too blatant.
Remember we need to set a new Starfleet Ambition in 2311. I think an intent to design, prototype, and produce at least 4 models of a new Science ship would make the Federation Council very happy. They'd probably authorize starting the project for 0 political will and even give us a nice bonus of research points to start things off.
The only way a Constellation refit would help out is by increasing the Combat value by 1, at the cost of a year of berth time. Using that berth to instead build a new Centaur-A effectively gets us 1.5 Combat instead. Not to mention all the other benefits of an additional vessel.
Even a Miranda refit would be better, since that increases the durability of the escort vessel in question by 2/3rds, effectively giving us more vessels we can throw into battle without having to worry about them getting blown up almost immediately.
There simply isn't any point where refitting the Constellations isn't a complete and total waste of both PP and berth space.
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Let's pretend we didn't have any Constellations, and this was a new ship design on offer, with identical mechanical effects. Getting a new 4 3 2 2 2 4 ship for 55 br 30 sr (refit cost + scap value) with just 1 year of build time is a pretty good deal, even if it's limited to 8 ships total. A ship about as good as the Centaur-A, for about half the resource cost, and with a number limit about as high as the number of Centaur A's we were going to ever build? Why wouldn't we want to get that?
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Constellation though increases it's defense score by 1 letting it work as a garrison ship. Also based on how responses work it has +7 to science events and +6 to presence events. It also takes no additional crew and fewer resources. Now if we can afford to build a new ship in that berth then I would be for doing so but whenever we have a berth free we can do a refit.
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Too early to consider creating it.
According to the wiki, it's a late 24th century ship.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
We don't have the crew or the resources to stuff all our 1m berths with new builds though unless I've drastically misread things which could be possible, the refit allows us to improve our current operating fleet assets in any berths which aren't being made use of and actually make them some what competitive with Cardassian designs.
Sure.
40 Eridani A Berth (3mt) is open now with the departure of the Endurance, but we can't order new construction until 2308Q1
Utopia Planitia Shipyard A Berth (3mt) - open in 2308Q2
Utopia Planitia Shipyard B Berth (3mt) - open in 2308Q2
Utopia Planitia Shipyard C Berth (1mt) - open in 2308Q2
Utopia Planitia Shipyard D Berth (1mt) - open in 2308Q2
Tellar Prime Ana Font Shipyard - open in 2309Q1
Constitution-B design available in 2309Q2
San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth 1 (1mt) - open in 2309.Q4
San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth 2 (1mt) - open in 2309.Q4
40 Eridani A Berth 1 (1mt) - open in 2309.Q4
40 Eridani A Berth 2 (1mt) - open in 2309.Q4
Those last four after after we start producing the design, but they open only 6 months later so I thought I'd include them.
From what little I have read it seems they turn up around the mid 2340s and seem to be part of the general development towards the Galaxy style leading on from the Ambassador.
They might be a decent alternative to the Niagara class.
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Question, is the one year berth time per ship or is that for the entire class to be upgraded?
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Per ship. Of course we can have multiple berths doing refits at once, but that leaves fewer ships on garrison duty.
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I believe the opening post of the thread is periodically updated with ongoing ship construction, including expected date of completion. There is also a listing of total existing yardspace available to Starfleet. If I've read it correctly, we currently have four Excelsiors in construction out of five berths, as well as the four updated Centaurs laid down just this quarter. These four escorts will take two years to complete. When Utopia Planitia is ready, that will add two large berths and two small berths for new construction.
In total, we will shortly have seven (7) berths rated at 2.5+ megatons, as well as six (6) berths rated at 1 megaton construction. This does not account for additional slipways requested in future sessions with the Federation Council, requests I would highly recommend if we want to ramp up construction in the next decade of play.
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IMO, we need some cruiser berths. 2.5 mt berths will be able to handle scale 8 cruisers, which is where I want to be eventually, though 1.5 mt berths will probably be cheaper.
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We have the option for 2mt cruiser berths, costing 20pp (compared to currently 10pp for 1mt berths at Ana Font or Lor'Vela and 40pp for 3mt berths).
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Dammit man, I'm an engineer not a political scientist!
I guess you could make that argument, but really it's the belligerent powers that the Federation has trouble with. It coexists just fine with the more peaceful societies - hell, most of them join up in time. The Federation is even happy to coexist with the Romulans and Klingons when they're at peace. It's whenever people start shit like the Cardassians are doing now that the exiting parts of history get made.
Also given how many 'alien' species there are, I'd think that by the 24th century the meaning of 'alien' would revert from 'extraterrestrial life form' to 'belonging to a foreign country or nation' - which would be accurate in this case.