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no that is fine, just have to change how you have build formatted so it can sort by tasks
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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I've altered the plan in my post; would you be so kind as to sanity-check again?
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so are we building the current centaurs or the refit?
That is the very soul of this debate. A lot of us want to wait until Q4 so that we can build four of the improved refit Centaur-A. Steven's plan is to start two non-refit Centaurs immediately.
Our side: We get more ships and better ships. His side: We get 2 ships 3/4 year sooner in exchange for getting 2 less ships total and the 2 being not as good.
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If we start now - that is, Q1 - we build factory-default Centaurs. If we delay until Q4, we build the improved Centaur-B variant.
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Yep that works, just for future reference you only need [BUILD] in front of the plan name, it will tally that as well.
@HearthBorn if you can take build out of your vote and just leave the plan name that will add yours to Steven's build plan instead of showing separate.
the 1 excelsior 4 centaur is building the refit version (Centaur A). Building the non refit version is not worth it since it is would be another year and more resources to refit them.
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We can't start building the refit version until Q4. I'm in favor of building what we can now. Better to have ships constructed sooner, even if it means we'll have to wait an extra year to have better ones.
Actually, how long does it take to construct a new <1000w berth? If its a year or less, we don't need to compromise at all.
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4 turns and PP, which we have in short supply. Also we can't build 4 and an excelsior now as we lack the resources and need to get an infusion this snakepit
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Speaking of ships, this snakepit current consensus in ship thread is to pull the trigger on a custom medium cruiser design. Assuming we don't gain more pp, that would be:
- Request Start of Custom Cruiser project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 35pp
- Request Academy Expansion, 30pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
- Request Science Academy Expansion, 20pp (Gain +1 Techs throughput)
- Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 20pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken multiple times]x2
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Thank you; is there an informational post somewhere that lays out the formatting requirements?
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ok. i was confused because i thought the refit was the centaur-b
yes, you could build the regular centaurs, but then we would need to do the refits later and then you are then wasting a quarter and 15 br and 5 sr for each centaur.
[X][BUILD] Plan Build Excelsior and 4 Centaur-A
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Really? We were building 2.5s specifically to build Excelsiors because it was cheaper than going all in on 3mt that we wouldn't use for a while yet
I'd be interested in any of the following options:
- The Centaur saucer being added as a reusable part to the sheet.
- The Centaur saucer and the Renaissance saucer being the same part.
- Adding a Curry-type vessel to the list of canonical ships we can build, given the parts it's made out of it might coming soon enough to be a decent alternative to the Renaissance.
- Anything that give us more research, including free progress on the next design or team xp.
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If we don't request Excelsior resources, we can't execute the current landslide winning vote. So that's pretty much locked.
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No, since that is something you pick up when playing with net tally program.
Actually it was the case that starting new yards in Andor and Tellar gave us 2.5m shipyards, expanding existing yards gives us a 3m berth and I think the cost and time was about the same.
We need the resources to build more Centaur-As in the last quarter at least for this turn. Also really want diplo push x4 as that gives us more resources over all(SR, BR, RP, PP and crew).
Really. Look at the Snakepit options. Whatever our motivations may have been, the actual choices offered were:
-Start new shipyard with 2.5mt berth
-Expand existing shipyard with 1mt or 3m berth
I still think you're playing with fire there. What happens when all the D0 +300 Affiliates suddenly turn from Defense 0 requirement into a D6 or more value before we can get our build program going? We've been warned repeatedly that Defense requirements are going to go up.
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Fine, but we need to start the cruiser this turn. I'll rejigger:
- Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
- Request Start of Custom Cruiser project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 35pp
- Request Academy Expansion, 30pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
- Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 20pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken multiple times]x2
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We do not seem to be responsible for there defense until they become members though, and getting 300 affiliates gives us more resources so we can build a bigger fleet amongst other things. The extra BR and SR translates into more ships and the extra PP would allow expansions to shipyards and the Academy. Also it would allow us to make sure every member world and the border zones would have their own starbase
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You're making assumptions. You do know the saying about assumptions, right?
If @OneirosTheWriter says definitively that this is true and will continue to be true, then fine. If there is a chance that it could stop being true, we need to seriously consider. Again, if these worlds are contributing resources to Starfleet then why should they not be able to request a Starfleet garrison for protection?
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If war were to suddenly break out, those affiliates might ask for extra protection, which means we'd have to garrison them as well. Of course this is just speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me to be honest.
But only if @OneirosTheWriter promises that the design spreadsheet is locked and that the (in my opinion) completely game-breaking design that the current sheet allows you to make will be allowed going forward.