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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Briefvoice said:
Hey Nix, if we can lower the pp cost of the Constitution-B design and lower the resource cost of the build (in return for taking them out of service after 30 years and giving them to member fleets) through omake bonuses, would that change your mind on the Constitution-B versus Constellation-A building new ships calculation?
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Obviously removing/lessening the main mechanical downsides would sway the mechanical assessment of the choices. I still wouldn't be a huge fan of bringing back a class that was already put out of service but I could hold my nose.
I think they'll understand the need for massive fleet expansion what with new members and the renewed Cardassian threat. It's also possible that with additional mining colonies and finds from Captain's Log events we may not need to do the request next year or the year after that. We can look at it anew every year and talk about it then. But is there really a problem with doing it this year so that we can get five ships building instead of only three?
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I'd replace the 2308 request with a request for a general budget increase. With increasing affiliate income, better mining tech and maybe a few more mining colonies and trade deals that should still allow following your schedule afterwards.
 
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What was the name of the Amarki Admiral who died against the Biophage? We should name it after her to honor the sacrifice of the newest members of the Federation.

Failing that, name it the Talleyrand, the ur-example of the type of sneaky scoundrel diplomacy that we need right now.
 
Briefvoice said:
Hey Nix, if we can lower the pp cost of the Constitution-B design and lower the resource cost of the build (in return for taking them out of service after 30 years and giving them to member fleets) through omake bonuses, would that change your mind on the Constitution-B versus Constellation-A building new ships calculation?



I think they'll understand the need for massive fleet expansion what with new members and the renewed Cardassian threat. It's also possible that with additional mining colonies and finds from Captain's Log events we may not need to do the request next year or the year after that. We can look at it anew every year and talk about it then. But is there really a problem with doing it this year so that we can get five ships building instead of only three?
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We shouldn't be excelsior spamming though. Excelsiors are very expensive, and there are cheaper light cruisers that can garrison systems effectively, which is what all of those excelsiors will be doing.
 
AlphaDelta said:
We shouldn't be excelsior spamming though. Excelsiors are very expensive, and there are cheaper light cruisers that can garrison systems effectively, which is what all of those excelsiors will be doing.
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For hitting minimum requirements, sure, but system ships still answer distress calls, check out anomalous space activities, engage in non-first contact diplomatic visits, and answer whatever the call is.

An excelsior does everything better than a escort for these kinds of routine missions too.
 
Nix said:
I'd replace the 2308 request with a request for a general budget increase. With increasing affiliate income, better mining tech and maybe a few more mining colonies and trade deals that should still allow following your schedule afterwards.
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(looks at spreadsheet and sighs) I suppose I'll have to do the work of allowing the user to estimate the new budget every year rather than going back to an assumed fixed number. Well, anything to add utility. (You notice I'd added a "scrapped ship" function, which I will update once we actually determine how many resources are given back form a scrapping). Do you recall how much extra a budget increase I think it was in one of the Snakepit results, but I can't remember where.

AlphaDelta said:
We shouldn't be excelsior spamming though. Excelsiors are very expensive, and there are cheaper light cruisers that can garrison systems effectively, which is what all of those excelsiors will be doing.
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What is your target number of Excelsiors? I have been going for "one per key sector and per border zone". If you don't agree fair enough, but how many Excelsiors would you like to have and what would you like to be building instead? We can run some scenarios.
 
Hey, question about the Constellation potential refit. Last year at the Snakepit, the bonus was +1 to C, S, and D. However we discovered quite a few boosts to Cruisers. Do these change the refit numbers any higher?

OneirosTheWriter said:
Request Refit Program for Constellation class [+1 C,S,D, for 20br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 40pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/45)
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OneirosTheWriter said:
[-2% to Nacelle Penalty, -1% weight to Combat, Science, Shield, Presence, Defence stats, +10 Reliability]
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ClawClawBite said:
For hitting minimum requirements, sure, but system ships still answer distress calls, check out anomalous space activities, engage in non-first contact diplomatic visits, and answer whatever the call is.

An excelsior does everything better than a escort for these kinds of routine missions too.
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Starfleet Ship Design Bureau: Medium Cruiser Proposal αδ v1

Yeangst said:
Thanks

[X][Name] Aelin

And I vote we should name the next Excelsior the Talleyrand.
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Leila Hann said:
[X][Name] Aelin
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We should save Aelin for an EC Excelsior.
 
Briefvoice said:
(looks at spreadsheet and sighs) I suppose I'll have to do the work of allowing the user to estimate the new budget every year rather than going back to an assumed fixed number. Well, anything to add utility. (You notice I'd added a "scrapped ship" function, which I will update once we actually determine how many resources are given back form a scrapping). Do you recall how much extra a budget increase I think it was in one of the Snakepit results, but I can't remember where.
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Pretty sure it was 60br 40sr last time, but it's rolled for so we can't plan with exact numbers. It should be in the snakepit results 2304.

We should also get +10 SR from the next mine and +15SR for mining tech soonish.
 
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[X][NAME] Endurance
[X] Plan Build Excelsior and 4 Centaur-A
[X] Scrap Soyuz

For the next Snakepit, I definitely want that Beta Corridan mining colony for +10br/+10sr.

If we can do something about the Sydraxians, we should. If they fall to the Cardassians, it would be a big boon to them and a major loss for us.

The Apiata, Yrillians, Seyek and Gretarians are all in the direction of Cardassian space and it's worth considering diplomatic pushes. The Seyek should probably have priority, as, with a little luck, we can push them to affiliate status, and they seem to be rather powerful.

I would also like to request a Start of an X Class project soon, just to know what we actually gain. We get a go ahead on some projects. What projects? Getting a Starship Construction team would make sense, and it would be very good, though maybe too good. And how many rp would we get?
 
Leila Hann said:
Explorer Corps. Those are the ships that get elite crews and are sent on 5 year missions.

Thing is, it should be easy enough to reassign the Aelin into the Explorer Corps later once we have the people for it. Its hardly an insult to the admiral's memory to have it do other things in the meantime.
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You would need to completely swap out the crews though
 
Briefvoice said:
What is your target number of Excelsiors? I have been going for "one per key sector and per border zone". If you don't agree fair enough, but how many Excelsiors would you like to have and what would you like to be building instead? We can run some scenarios.
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I like your target number, but I think that pushing for an Excelsior-a-year is straining our resource income, and could limit our ability to push out more hulls, which we need to actually catch important events, which is important since they are, apparently, miss-able. Even cutting down to every other year would free up enough resources to pad out the rest of the fleet nicely. The only reason I haven't been pushing it is because we don't have enough small slipways to actually do that kind of rapid expansion.

Actually, do we have more small slipways under construction? If we don't, we really need to get some going, because they're going to be a major bottleneck for churning out Escorts and Light Cruisers soon.
 
Leila Hann said:
Explorer Corps. Those are the ships that get elite crews and are sent on 5 year missions.

Thing is, it should be easy enough to reassign the Aelin into the Explorer Corps later once we have the people for it. Its hardly an insult to the admiral's memory to have it do other things in the meantime.
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I don't think that's a thing we can do, actually. The other way round, assigning a former Explorer Corps ship to the standard fleet is allowed though, as shown by the Excelsior. Anyway the limitation for EC is crew, not ships, so it doesn't make all that much sense to do, we can just assign the Excelsior that finishes that year instead and avoid a complete crew swap.
 
Nix said:
I don't think that's a thing we can do, actually. The other way round, assigning a former Explorer Corps ship to the standard fleet is allowed though, as shown by the Excelsior. Anyway the limitation for EC is crew, not ships, so it doesn't make all that much sense to do, we can just assign the Excelsior that finishes that year instead and avoid a complete crew swap.
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Is there any way we can ask the Amarki how they feel about it?
 
Nix said:
Pretty sure it was 60br 40sr last time, but it's rolled for so we can't plan with exact numbers. It should be in the snakepit results 2304.

We should also get +10 SR from the next mine and +15SR for mining tech soonish.
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I checked and last time we rolled successfully for a budget increase it was 50br/30sr. As you say we can't really depend on that, but that means it would take about 5 turns to pay off versus requesting an Excelsior's worth of resources... let me see what that does to the budget.

Gingganz said:
The Apiata, Yrillians, Seyek and Gretarians are all in the direction of Cardassian space and it's worth considering diplomatic pushes. The Seyek should probably have priority, as, with a little luck, we can push them to affiliate status, and they seem to be rather powerful.
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I would give the Apiata priority, since at only 100 even a small set-back could push them out of Affiliate status.

Sightsear said:
I like your target number, but I think that pushing for an Excelsior-a-year is straining our resource income, and could limit our ability to push out more hulls, which we need to actually catch important events, which is important since they are, apparently, miss-able. Even cutting down to every other year would free up enough resources to pad out the rest of the fleet nicely. The only reason I haven't been pushing it is because we don't have enough small slipways to actually do that kind of rapid expansion.

Actually, do we have more small slipways under construction? If we don't, we really need to get some going, because they're going to be a major bottleneck for churning out Escorts and Light Cruisers soon.
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1. I think you're underestimating our income and how it's increasing. I do believe we can push out an Excelsior a year and still be pushing out three times that number of small ships. It will require some political will expenditures the first two years or so for temporary resources increases, but after that we should be good. I full expect that from 2309 on we'll be able to push out between 2 and four smaller ships per year, in addition to the single Excelsior. The math seems to work.

2. Yes, we have two more small berths coming from the Utopia Planetia years, for a total of 6.
 
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