- Location
- Australia
Both are in subsector 1e - exact location doesn't really matter at this stage.
Other things to note for the map - the major worlds of the Ked Paddah are Ashira (2E), Adad Bande (3F), and Gad (3D).
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Other things to note for the map - the major worlds of the Ked Paddah are Ashira (2E), Adad Bande (3F), and Gad (3D).
- Location
- Austin, TX
Great information! I'm wondering, though, what's going on with the fire on the other side of the Federation. Things have been a bit quiet in the GBZ in the beginning of Q4. I kinda summarized a few things of note from the past quarter, hopefully this is accurate.
Edit: Ninja'd on the Tal Hanar location question.
- We captured the Sydraxian Lora Outpost in Q3.M1, but then 'The Cardassians forced us to pull our forces over the Lora colony' in Q3.M3 I believe means we abandoned it afterwards. As far as we know (or I remember), the Sydraxians have given up any interest in returning.
- We discovered 20 Miele VII in the Q3.M1 report, and renamed it Tal Hanar, in the M3 report. The Amarkians will likely be building an outpust there. Location subsector 1e.
- The Cardassians assembled a fleet in the Q3.M2 report, we slowed them down, and they stopped short of attempting to storm Sguirri Outpost.
Edit: Ninja'd on the Tal Hanar location question.
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Another thing: I believe we're classifying colonies as major/minor by Federation standards. Only Gammon and Calamar would be considered major colonies then:
That's literally next door to the Sydraxians.Well, I suppose that's good news for us since the Amarkians are definitely going to want to defend Tal Hanar - it's going to be one heck of a productive colony:
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
Well, with Ix in game diplomacy solution is impossible. Because they all about Crazy Science Shit. Meaning...
1. They are mentat house though and through. Mentats are ruling there. They'll disagree on un-mentating.
2. Most of they power is mentat-derieved. Any other house can survive and thrieve without mentats, Ix would collapse.
Meaning that this is unwinnable without phisical destruction of house Ix. Because societal destruction is impossible because they are their own semi-independent system.
At best we may have other houses stay out of extermination of Ixians. Because it's not in their interest to try killing them for us.
1. They are mentat house though and through. Mentats are ruling there. They'll disagree on un-mentating.
2. Most of they power is mentat-derieved. Any other house can survive and thrieve without mentats, Ix would collapse.
Meaning that this is unwinnable without phisical destruction of house Ix. Because societal destruction is impossible because they are their own semi-independent system.
At best we may have other houses stay out of extermination of Ixians. Because it's not in their interest to try killing them for us.
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It seems pretty clear to me that Mentats are a key factor in the Arkadian society/economy and that none of the Houses (or indeed the rest of Empire) is capable of existing without them. Hell, with their history of AI rebellion you will likely have a hard case convincing the average person to switch over to normal computers, especially if the Houses start some propaganda against that idea.
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
Other houses can easily relegate Mentats to secondary roles. Yeah, they'll suffer some temporary setback but their losses would be pretty similar all over.
While Ix would lose everything if Mentats are "shackled". And what they wouldn't lose in change, they would lose to other houses that are suddenly much, MUCH stronger in comparison.
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- Location
- somewhere
Not really, the distinction predates the councilor-elected-by-planet system being made explicit, it was just to distinguish colonies that are important by themselves (as opposed to mineral deposits, infrastructure or something else that would get its own symbol) and need to be accounted for when planning defenses from colonies that are small enough to randomly pop up somewhere due to an event roll (and placed on a separate layer so they could be hidden if desired). IMO if they are considered major colonies in context and are seat of a major house they are plot relevant enough to be displayed as "major".
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aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
- Location
- Laniakea Supercluster
- Pronouns
- She/Her
If a Jamaican were to move there, would they be a Calamari, mon?
- Location
- Panama City
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
- Location
- Patriarchova
They might not be pointlessly evil. A society that lacks advanced computers might be less automated and have a greater need for manual labor. If the Fauxrkonnens happen to own most of the mines, then they will also have the most incentive to practice mass slavery.
This doesn't make them not evil. It just means their evil has a rationale and came about due to historical circumstances.
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Not really, the distinction predates the councilor-elected-by-planet system being made explicit, it was just to distinguish colonies that are important by themselves (as opposed to mineral deposits, infrastructure or something else that would get its own symbol) and need to be accounted for when planning defenses from colonies that are small enough to randomly pop up somewhere due to an event roll (and placed on a separate layer so they could be hidden if desired). IMO if they are considered major colonies in context and are seat of a major house they are plot relevant enough to be displayed as "major".
Fair enough.
AFAIK, 31 Miele is considered as a possible research colony, not that one is being built there, should it should be colored white like Ariel V-8.
This also notes a system in 1g but since it's apparently useless, I suppose it can be omitted.
AKuz
Been Better
- Location
- A Rising Tide of Horrors
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It's sort of funny that the Licori had bad AI troubles before entering space and this sword off computers; whereas Earth had bad Augment troubles before entering space and swore off augmentation.
It's a sort of mirror. Earth is probably fairly gung ho on intervention because they someone else travelling down that same dangerous path that once burned humanity.
It's a sort of mirror. Earth is probably fairly gung ho on intervention because they someone else travelling down that same dangerous path that once burned humanity.
- Location
- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Correct me, but didn't we use lots of manual labor on earth in mines, but the miners weren't enslaved?
And there are examples of Mentat's endangering life recklessly.
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Don't know if people have already picked up on this, but we may actually have possible allies in the Kortennon Mentats, if we can separately contact them and promise them freedom and legal protection.
Depends on the time period and place, and your exact definition of 'slavery'.
Depends on the time period and place, and your exact definition of 'slavery'.
- Location
- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
... British isles, 1850+, 'bought and owned, no or severely reduced civil rights'.
- Location
- Patriarchova
Yes. However, miners historically tend to be some of the worsts off in their respective societies.
I'm not saying that the narkonnens literally have no option besides slave labor, but I'm saying that they can probably point to the innately harsh conditions of the mines and the increased productivity of mass slavery as a justification for why they should. "The miners are gonna be miserable either way, so why not make them just slightly more miserable in the name of keeping the empire's SR abundant (and us stinking rich)?"
- Location
- Canada
We do currently use lots of slavery, on Earth, in mines.
Given the unpopularity of slavery in modern times, especially the enslavement of children under hazardous working conditions, there is proportionately a lot less slavery now than there has been historically. But rising populations make labour cheap, and poor conditions seem to incentivise nasty individuals to keep those costs as low as possible.
So yeah, I wouldn't at all be surprised to find slavery in space mines, even in our shiny bright future. Remember that Rura Penthe is canon.
- Location
- Central Standard Time
.... This is why I voted for diplomacy.
Since I'm planning on stepping down activity even more, have a proxy vote.
[X] SynchronizedWritersBlock
I'll try to push a few snippets from my notes later today for feedback.
The scope of this omake series will be from a couple years before the Biophage, to the current day.
EDIT: also, I need names/character ideas.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Without mentat craziness, House Kortennon is a problem for the Licori, but not for us. They're like the Cardassians, only with about five percent as much muscle, and the Cardassians wouldn't be a problem for us if they had one twentieth the assets that they do.
This is gonna be a tough sell.
A lot of people also wanted the Betazed starbase rather badly; we couldn't feasibly have gotten that and the external diplomats.
Given their social structure it's entirely possible that Kortennon or Ixian mentats have accidentally killed thousands or millions and avoided larger disasters only by luck.
Is this strictly true? The Klingons were conquering planets brutally fifty years ago in the TOS era; that doesn't mean they 'needed to be destroyed.' Nothing bad happened to the galaxy on account of them not being 'destroyed.'
If we can work out a way to end the war and avert the risk of mass-casualty events from random Licori mentat activity occurring outside Licori space, then any remaining concerns about their internal politics and domestic policies are their problem. Not ours.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Thinking back on the Vulcan shenanigans I have to wonder if they had some clue as to these last few reveals. If they knew or suspected that the FDS was actually in favor of war and suspected why then stalling might be the logical means of getting Starfleet and the council to not jump the gun if they were afraid that just revealing the Licori government issue and FDS's stance outright would cause us to say "FDS approves of regime change? Let's do it."
It would be entirely consistent with Stesk's earlier characterization for him to be playing this kind of I know you know I know game rather than suddenly going PAAPist.
We'll have to see. If we execute a diplomantic division strategy and Vulcan/Pacifist support for handling the hardline holdout is higher than it is now that's definite confirmation.
It would be entirely consistent with Stesk's earlier characterization for him to be playing this kind of I know you know I know game rather than suddenly going PAAPist.
We'll have to see. If we execute a diplomantic division strategy and Vulcan/Pacifist support for handling the hardline holdout is higher than it is now that's definite confirmation.
- Location
- Canada
This, pretty much. In sophont-rights terms, the Cardassians are almost certainly the biggest offender in the area. But they're too big and scary to deal with right now. That said, given that we're not busy trying to 'destroy' the Cardassians for this sort of thing, it seems a little strange to single out one particular faction of a minor race for such attentions.
For reference, the Orions had nasty slave-stuff going on, not too long ago. We didn't 'destroy' them; instead, with great effort, we went in and reformed their whole society. But that was a long time in coming, and it wouldn't have worked if there wasn't a big segment of their society that was willing to cooperate. Until then, we basically just ignored them... and that's probably exactly what we'll do with the Licori!Harkonnen, too.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Is this new? Don't recall seeing it when the update was first posted.
So Gaeni does have a major colony: Thunti. Unknown number of mining/research colonies, but estimating from known network details of member nations, probably around 5. Also have 5 minor non-mining/research colonies.
Gaeni wartime income is 90br 100sr. No indication of crew income. So their peacetime income would be 45br 50sr, which is ... not great. Greater than Betazed and Vulcan and about on par with Indoria. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Indoria has about the same number of major/minor/mining colonies.
Confirms that they lost a Tech-Frigate since the start of their war and haven't commissioned any more ships since MWCO report yet.
Gaeni are also planning to produce repair bays, and they'll be done more quickly then any repair bays we construct.
Hmm, it's possible that constructing the components for repair bays means that it still requires an engineering team time to assemble them into a repair yard. Given how the GBZ repair berths took about a year to construct, and crisis teams often can double building speed, optimistically, an engineering team can assemble ship bay components into a yard in a quarter.
I hope we get the option of later turning repair yards into actual shipyards at some cost (engineering team & heavy industry time during crisis, political will during snakepits).