To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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It depends entirely if the escort fleets can be combined.
Two Light Queenships and four Stingers from the Apiata, one Outpost, two Connie-Bs, three Miranda-As from Starfleet, a Centaur-A and two Calacs from the Amarki.
Apiata:
C24 H8 L30
Starfleet+Outpost:
C26 H18 L23
Amarki:
C7 H6 L7
Total:
C57 H32 L60
Cardassians:
2 Kaldar, 5 Jaldun, 5 Takaaki (presumed ~2 Jaldun, ~2 Takkaki left behind as escort forces?)
C10 H8 L8
C20 H20 L20
C20 H15 L15
Total
C50 H43 L43
So as you can see it depends entirely on what forces can link up and if the Cardassians can scrape up any reinforcements or draw their escorts down to nothing. Even two more Jalduns would swing it, a failure of one force to arrive would swing it, having a Connie-B and a Miranda-A out of system on escort duty would swing it, more Cardassian ships in reserve would swing it, and so on.
e: Bad luck would swing it.
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Looks equally uncertain for the Cardassians then. Of course, they have the advantage in that they can 'blob' and we have to spread out to cover our stuff.
Needless to say I'd be a lot happier if Ainsworth put River's unit in a position where they could respond to a Sydraxian or Cardassian counterattack, priority on the latter if it's impossible to do bothg.
Yeah, that's why it was so important that TF1 came through the battle in combat condition. If the Cardassians know that, they can't risk an all-or-nothing engagement with the escort forces. Heck, if they don't know that, they might lose their entire fleet as a surprise.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardassians can draw more ships than I've listed, though. They could have the Dylaarians covering their shipping while they sortied, for example.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardassians can draw more ships than I've listed, though. They could have the Dylaarians covering their shipping while they sortied, for example.
Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
True, but that depends on the Cardassians learning on how bad the battle went for the Syndraxians/access to the logs. it has not been unknown, within our history, for allies to lie to one another to get the other ally to commit (the Six Day War a great example of this).
They could solve that by annexing the Lecarre. Just saying...
To which I respond with my previous comment:
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- Mid-Atlantic
Just one excerpt from the battle log...
"You IDIOT! They literally painted "AGILE" on the side of their ship in twenty foot tall letters, AND YOU DECIDED TO SHOOT AT THEM FIRST!"
[sheds a tear]
Sydraxian Captain to Tactical Officer:The Combat Engine said:
"You IDIOT! They literally painted "AGILE" on the side of their ship in twenty foot tall letters, AND YOU DECIDED TO SHOOT AT THEM FIRST!"
It certainly is possible that they'd be better off with a lot more Hasques, and depending on the crew requirements and resource costs they might actually be able to afford that. That said, they're a swarming fleet relative to ours, and our fleet as a whole is very explorer-centric. The Kalindrax starts looking a lot like a cheap, nasty pocket explorer that can 'swarm' our Excelsiors from that point of view, and that may have been part of the underlying reasoning.
This is... this is beautiful.
[sheds a tear]
Eh, I think we're building a lot of castles in the air about, "their pact is ready to collapse".
The Sydraxians have wanted a go at us for years, and the Cardassians arranged it. If the Sydraxians weren't hard enough, that's hardly their fault. Meanwhile, the Cardassians have had a couple of years of exploiting the GBZ largely unmolested while we slap-fight with Sydraxians. Looks like it's been a huge success for them.
The Ashalla Pact is keeping the Sydraxians safe. It means we can't follow up on our victory and pursue them into their own space. So they lost the entirely voluntary war they chose to fight in the Gabriel Expanse. So what? It's Cardassian might that gave them the security to make the gamble in the first place, and now they can spend a few years rebuilding without having to worry about being conquered. All because of the Cardassians.
Yes it's a pity they couldn't reinforce the Sydraxians, but it's an issue of geographic reality. The Sydraxians had to hold their side while the Cardassians expanded from their side to meet in the middle. Not a fault of their pact.
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- Actually pretty lost
...Weaponise the Biophage?
Ah. I would expect a Cardassian sortie to "rescue" the Lora colony. We can't hold it, so it'll be pretty uncontested. Or maybe they strike at us, desperate for a real victory?
On the bright side, Ainsworth can now go after Cardassian colonies/fleets without worrying about protecting her tailward flank from the Sydraxians.
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- Actually pretty lost
Looks like someone hasn't been fully assimilated into the hivemind!
Seriously though, I think it's better to treat it as a dumb joke. It takes the sting out of anyone dumb enough to actually seriously suggest it.
...Or are you just tired of the joke in general?
On an entirely different subject, I glanced through the combat log and saw that all of the ships that successfully retreated did so early on, presumably succeeding due to the rest of the fleet covering them/taking fire. Which makes sense, but I thought was interesting to note.
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Night
Widow Null
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- Hoff
Considering at this point they're a form of protest over previous events, probably no?
I agree. It was never funny.
Agreed.
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- between Venus and Mars
everyone is considering what the enemy is doing. lets consider what federation members will be doing.
Apiata and Amarki are already here. the Humans plan to join all ready.
The Rigellians might be tempted to join despite their own problems on their side of the federation. There's dilithium in them there planets, and it's a lot safer to get at it now. this is mainly a analysts based on the Mercantile faction.
The Andorrans and the Caitians are both aggressive species culturally. both might be tempted to grab a piece of the pie despite being distracted by Orion. either way they are likely to approve of us winning so decisively.
the Tellarites are oppositional and verbally aggressive but not so much militarily. They may be tempted but I think their Developer faction will dictate they hold back for longer, less resistance to the expansion though.
The Vulcans could go either way. on the one hand it's logical to exploit a victory in a war. on the other they are mostly Pacifist Faction so it's war. you don't reward bad behavior.
The Betazoids I think well be much like the Vulcans, but to a lesser extent. It may be possible to get them interested in the GBZ despite their own peaceful leanings and the mess in their back yard.
The Idorians are something of a wild card. They are close enough they would benefit from joining, but are also new to the federation and close to Cardassian space. Good chance of drawing them to the GBZ since the victory.
The Expansionists. are already behind this project. They are our allies in this and their membership in the swing members will help push them out to the GBZ.
The Hawks. They are going to love the battle. I think after this victory those in members not already in the GBZ will push for inclusion.
all other political Factions already mentioned.
Caledonians: May want to join to get a bit of space between them and the klingons. especially with war coming to the area. may also stay at home for the same reason. 50/50 either way.
Orions: Have their own problems.
Risa: Not aggressive enough to join the "war"
Gain: May be in the war closer to home soon.
Seyek: Are dealing with internal problems.
Qloath: Don't know i think they are too far away and not tied close enough to us to join, but maybe.
Yan-Ros: it's a bit of a trip, but no one is in the coreward tailwand corner. They may try it.
Honaini: Even longer trip but same as above.
People like to win. They will back you if you are winning. the GBZ is safer for now. We destroyed the offensive power of one enemy so now we are no longer flanked. i think it's a good chance we will be reinforced soon. Also we get a conni-b and 4 ex's next year. some in Q1. We could also focus the e-corp in the GBZ. That would help with scouting and add a powerful force in the area. It would be dangerous to them though. working alone in a war zone.
Apiata and Amarki are already here. the Humans plan to join all ready.
The Rigellians might be tempted to join despite their own problems on their side of the federation. There's dilithium in them there planets, and it's a lot safer to get at it now. this is mainly a analysts based on the Mercantile faction.
The Andorrans and the Caitians are both aggressive species culturally. both might be tempted to grab a piece of the pie despite being distracted by Orion. either way they are likely to approve of us winning so decisively.
the Tellarites are oppositional and verbally aggressive but not so much militarily. They may be tempted but I think their Developer faction will dictate they hold back for longer, less resistance to the expansion though.
The Vulcans could go either way. on the one hand it's logical to exploit a victory in a war. on the other they are mostly Pacifist Faction so it's war. you don't reward bad behavior.
The Betazoids I think well be much like the Vulcans, but to a lesser extent. It may be possible to get them interested in the GBZ despite their own peaceful leanings and the mess in their back yard.
The Idorians are something of a wild card. They are close enough they would benefit from joining, but are also new to the federation and close to Cardassian space. Good chance of drawing them to the GBZ since the victory.
The Expansionists. are already behind this project. They are our allies in this and their membership in the swing members will help push them out to the GBZ.
The Hawks. They are going to love the battle. I think after this victory those in members not already in the GBZ will push for inclusion.
all other political Factions already mentioned.
Caledonians: May want to join to get a bit of space between them and the klingons. especially with war coming to the area. may also stay at home for the same reason. 50/50 either way.
Orions: Have their own problems.
Risa: Not aggressive enough to join the "war"
Gain: May be in the war closer to home soon.
Seyek: Are dealing with internal problems.
Qloath: Don't know i think they are too far away and not tied close enough to us to join, but maybe.
Yan-Ros: it's a bit of a trip, but no one is in the coreward tailwand corner. They may try it.
Honaini: Even longer trip but same as above.
People like to win. They will back you if you are winning. the GBZ is safer for now. We destroyed the offensive power of one enemy so now we are no longer flanked. i think it's a good chance we will be reinforced soon. Also we get a conni-b and 4 ex's next year. some in Q1. We could also focus the e-corp in the GBZ. That would help with scouting and add a powerful force in the area. It would be dangerous to them though. working alone in a war zone.
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Are you saying we won so hard that now we're in danger of losing*?
*The General Peace, that is.
I had previously made the suggestion that Rigel and the Core-Federation could enter the GBZ at Sector E-4 using the Yan-Ros as a midway point.
I would prefer to keep the EC zooming around boldly outside Gabriel where we can. Mostly because that keeps them as an uncommitted reserve if things escalate to a general war and it keeps us meeting new people, making new friends and driving the competition to distraction.
Also pretty sure that we want to restrict people jumping in on our side to full members if we can.
Insurgents around every corner, infiltrators at every level, ha ha no.
So NO, it's hard to convey through text because proper emphasis demands arm waving and possibly small arms fire.
Also pretty sure that we want to restrict people jumping in on our side to full members if we can.
By the Great Bird of the Galaxy, that is not a war I wish to fight or would wish on anyone I'd like to talk to later.
Insurgents around every corner, infiltrators at every level, ha ha no.
So NO, it's hard to convey through text because proper emphasis demands arm waving and possibly small arms fire.
"Commander Wolfe, please. Come down from rafters."
"FUCK NO. NO, IT'S GONNA BE WORSE. NOPE."
"Please stop firing your phaser wildly. This form of protest is highly illogical."
Night
Widow Null
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- Hoff
...you know what'd be great? A TV show set in the Star Trek universe about a Vulcan police negotiator.
Well what else do you expect the Dwarfs to do? What options do they have? Unless they've got a Wormhole or Mass Relay or something similar in their territory, they've got nowhere to expand into except for into Lecarre territory.
- Location
- Germany
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- He/Him
" ... you know what - I give up. Just promise me TO SHUT UP. ... please."
Tellarite/Vulcan negotiation team. It'd be the ultimate buddy cop drama.
Night
Widow Null
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- Hoff
I was more thinking Flashpoint with Spock instead of Parker, but this has merit too.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Defect. That's what. The Ashalla Pact gives them nothing and takes almost everything.