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Yep.
Right now, we want the Sydraxite Heirarchy to feel like it has no agency or power to protect its citizens or pursue its own interests.
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Yep.
Right now, we want the Sydraxite Heirarchy to feel like it has no agency or power to protect its citizens or pursue its own interests.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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Sydraxians are Swarm doctrine. That explains their evasion %s and how they run so easily.
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Color me surprised. The Kalindrax is basically the opposite of the kind of ship I would design for a Swarm Doctrine fleet, and they've always fielded a nearly equal mixture of cruisers and escorts. I had them pegged as Combined Arms for sure.
Well, that would explain why they lost so badly once we were able to force a large scale engagement. Poor fleet optimization.
EDIT: this actually lends some more support to a theory of mine about the Sydraxians. We happened to make first contact during a time of social and political upheaval, which made them vulnerable to Cardassian promises of order and stability, and also made the people more eager to rally against an enemy over an incident that really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. From a strategic angle, this internal chaos is responsible for the Sydraxians' schizophrenic approach to how they've dealt with us. From a tactical one, it means that half of their military leadership is trying to do Combined Arms while the other half wants to go Swarm.
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Forgothrax
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@Leila Hann Combined Fleet is actually pretty crappy. They get a +5% combat power like everyone else, but their only other combat bonus is for Explorers... And the Sydraxians don't have any. Swarm at least gives lots of bonuses for frigates. Easy escape, +4% burn through, and +10% evasion for frigates is pretty awesome.
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Chaos Blade
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Basically they thought we'd be a Short, Successful War
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So ...
hold a quorum on the colony, offer a) stay in occupation, to be resolved after the conflict is ended or b) have a Cardassian freighter ferry back any who wants to?
If we keep the system, of course.
hold a quorum on the colony, offer a) stay in occupation, to be resolved after the conflict is ended or b) have a Cardassian freighter ferry back any who wants to?
If we keep the system, of course.
Or not really a war, because, we wouldn't.
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I am confused why the Sydraxians got to apply Sting Like a Bee modifier right at the beginning of the battle.
That only works when your fleet outnumbers the enemy, and we outnumbered them.
That only works when your fleet outnumbers the enemy, and we outnumbered them.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The only sensible thing is to return the colonists to the Sydraxians. The parralel of them being a equivalent to natives is I feel a false one.
If I had to make a comparison to some historical event I don't think there is one but it'd be akin to the British and French colonies in America and one of them booting the other out back to its homeland. Not exactly pleasant but assuming it's done with anything like Trek amenities and tech it wouldn't require any loss of life or major discomfort, besides which the Fedderation in general has no qualms with forcibly moving people for political reasons should it be required.
If I had to make a comparison to some historical event I don't think there is one but it'd be akin to the British and French colonies in America and one of them booting the other out back to its homeland. Not exactly pleasant but assuming it's done with anything like Trek amenities and tech it wouldn't require any loss of life or major discomfort, besides which the Fedderation in general has no qualms with forcibly moving people for political reasons should it be required.
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Even with their space stations?
How? How are we to return them to the Sydaxians? We can't make any kind of arrangements with them.
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Well according to this list of mine:
We had 14 units to the Sydraxian's 11.
So RE: the Lora situation there's roughly two broad approaches I think we could take:
We could recognize the Sydraxian's claims on the planet, but we treat it as a demilitarized zone or no-fly zone for Sydraxian military vessels. If they are uncooperative now this could be negotiated after the war. This would achieve the objective of not resettling the colonists, but we'd lose out on an M-Class planet and depending on how the negotiations went, possibly claims to the entire system. The other problem is that if they didn't agree to anything until after the war and refused to send ships, we'd basically be running a prisoner of war camp writ large as the Sydraxian colonists wait for the law to catch up with their new reality.
There's some degree of granularity in this option, in terms of the size of the "DMZ" -- limited to just the planet, etc -- how much access we're willing to allow the Sydraxians, and if we'll allow settlement on the M-class world ourselves. We could also let Sydraxians who want to leave, leave.
The other broad option is returning the colonists. As others have mentioned this has uncomfortable historical parallels, but I'm not sure how much they apply since the Sydraxians are on totally unclaimed turf; turf they have not claimed for very long either. I think the feasability of returning them will rest on a few things: how many Sydraxians there are, their willingness to return, and how long they've been there. If it's a colony of 10,000 that's been there for a year that's different from 300 people who've been there three months.
It also depends how cooperative the Sydraxian civilians are. Some, if not all of them, may wish to leave. Some might welcome Federation administration. They may put up a stubborn fight. My thinking is we let as many leave as wish to right away, and then negotiate with the rest. I think resettlement might actually save us grief down the road because if we don't resettle them, we have to write the planet off or hope our settlers and their settlers don't go to war.
We could recognize the Sydraxian's claims on the planet, but we treat it as a demilitarized zone or no-fly zone for Sydraxian military vessels. If they are uncooperative now this could be negotiated after the war. This would achieve the objective of not resettling the colonists, but we'd lose out on an M-Class planet and depending on how the negotiations went, possibly claims to the entire system. The other problem is that if they didn't agree to anything until after the war and refused to send ships, we'd basically be running a prisoner of war camp writ large as the Sydraxian colonists wait for the law to catch up with their new reality.
There's some degree of granularity in this option, in terms of the size of the "DMZ" -- limited to just the planet, etc -- how much access we're willing to allow the Sydraxians, and if we'll allow settlement on the M-class world ourselves. We could also let Sydraxians who want to leave, leave.
The other broad option is returning the colonists. As others have mentioned this has uncomfortable historical parallels, but I'm not sure how much they apply since the Sydraxians are on totally unclaimed turf; turf they have not claimed for very long either. I think the feasability of returning them will rest on a few things: how many Sydraxians there are, their willingness to return, and how long they've been there. If it's a colony of 10,000 that's been there for a year that's different from 300 people who've been there three months.
It also depends how cooperative the Sydraxian civilians are. Some, if not all of them, may wish to leave. Some might welcome Federation administration. They may put up a stubborn fight. My thinking is we let as many leave as wish to right away, and then negotiate with the rest. I think resettlement might actually save us grief down the road because if we don't resettle them, we have to write the planet off or hope our settlers and their settlers don't go to war.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
How? How are we to return them to the Sydaxians? We can't make any kind of arrangements with them.
Armed escort and freighters and large scale usage of transporters to dump them in a Sydraxian owned system with an M class planet with supplies + subspace beacons... Assuming we use a back door FDS thing to arrange it. Otherwise dump them on neutral ground like a Dawair planet.
I realize neither of these are great options but the alternative of "Lol they put civilians here so they own it forever despite a state of war over the territory" would be highly foolish.
I mean what's the point of that battle if we're just going to let the Sydraxians retake the system?
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
*shrug*
Doesn't really matter what we theorise in thread does it, presuming that the Fed council will be making the decision with out our input.
Well yes; but I thought you didn't like people bringing up the g-word.
Joking aside, by which I mean I'm not seriously suggesting killing them all, I'm curious to see what approach you've come up with.
Swarm definitely has the best combat bonuses. 10% frigate evasion and 4% burn though are values that make every other fleet design doctrine jealous. The downside is your garrison ends up being a lot of frigates, and the tech for responders doesn't make up for that at all.
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Outposts take time to build, and we really put the hurt on their fleet and destroyed all the resources they used to build both the ships and the outpost. Combined with losing time in claiming space.
Why don't we just annex the colony?
We give the people the below choices:
1. Stay and become a Federation Citizen, letting them keep thier homes if they wish to stay, and enjoy all that Federation Citizenship provides.
2. Go back to thier species' home space.
3. Stay and don't take the Federation Citizenship, but be deported(or worse if they're helping the enemy) back to thier home space anyway.
See, that way we get: A resource colony, a possible slice of Sydraxi Citizenry to hopefully understand them better, a strategic location, and we don't have to say we 'Trail of Tears'd the population of a planet.
We give the people the below choices:
1. Stay and become a Federation Citizen, letting them keep thier homes if they wish to stay, and enjoy all that Federation Citizenship provides.
2. Go back to thier species' home space.
3. Stay and don't take the Federation Citizenship, but be deported(or worse if they're helping the enemy) back to thier home space anyway.
See, that way we get: A resource colony, a possible slice of Sydraxi Citizenry to hopefully understand them better, a strategic location, and we don't have to say we 'Trail of Tears'd the population of a planet.
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I'm looking forward to reading the Council's decision on the matter.
Night
Widow Null
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Well yes but I'd rather not have Councillor Stesk warp space and time to start pistol-whipping me because I suggested "M/AM from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!" as a solut-OW!
Damn Vulcans.
Then we have to defend it, tying down TF1 for at least a few months in the best case.
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I still feel that issues like captured colonies will be resolved once the situation in the GBZ stabilize enough for both sides to agree to a treaty
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- madison
The sydraxians might just withdraw from the pact after this. That would make things simpler.
It said in the post that we broke Sydraxian dreams of a hold in Gabriel....if we keep this, we can hard deny them that dream for the whole conflict. and this lets us have a secure flank so we can hit the rest of the Ashalla Pact presence in Gabriel.
