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@OneirosTheWriter this was it for events for the quarter or will we have other posts that may or may not see a change in resources?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Compare the hitpower to the actual reduction in shield strength.
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Shard
One and Many
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I think the reqs for Threat to increase is probably quadratic or so. Or nonlinear in some way.
Licori crisis isn't so serious when the GBZ and Cardassians is a thing.
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You *could* make an argument about him being disruptive to the thread. However, *threaten with threadban* is, IIRC, somewhat against the rules. If you think someone is being too disruptive and they don't listen to reason, report them and go on with the discussion.
Well, Cardies like to think they are Hard Cardassians Making Hard Decisions, and may make some sort of 'they are fuckos, but they gib results' justification about stupid things like 'protect Licori'.
But I doubt that will work out well for them, both because lol Licori are hazard for everyone around, and because letting them do this shit is basically casus belli.
And they *know* it, Cardassians are not stupid and understand perfectly that protecting Licori from repercussions is basically breaking Treaty of Celos in spirit, which they do not want to do.
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Wut? The GBZ sitch is a cabinet war - sure, military assets are at stake, but nothing else is. The Licori situation has lunatics trying to start artificial supernovas. It's an existential threat in the making.
AKuz
Been Better
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Wow. This was literally the exact same thing that got the Licori into a war in the first place. They've still been pouring resources into artificial star collapse despite the war being ongoing for multiple years since then.
The only reasonable conclusion to draw from this is that the Licori PLAN TO USE THIS ABILITY.
No wonder everyone including the Pacifist Federation is getting ready to put them to bed. They've been funneling resources towards a weapon of mass destruction in the middle of a war. That can only mean that someone in their society intends to use this.
These people are lunatics. If they'd been totally successful they'd be burning their own worlds in the tests alone. Just, wow, just wow.
The Federation needs to issue our own Ultimatium for them to prepare for a peaceful restructuring before they decide to fully use this ability on populated systems.
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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'Cause baby we got bad sci'
You know it used to be mad sci'
So take a look at what you've done,
'Cause baby, now we've got bad sci', hey!
Now we've got problems,
And I don't think we can solve 'em.
You made a really big boom.
And baby, now we got bad sci', hey!
Shard
One and Many
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The Licori aren't a power on par with the Federation.
I understand an ultimatum has already been issued to the Licori government?
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A Constellation like the Challorn should have more dodgyness than their escort. They're the same size with bigger engines.
e: AND we've been told that veterancy gives evasion bonuses
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Well, remember that mentats are created by individual noble houses and seem to act semi-independently beyond that. I don't know that you can use their individual actions to determine the intentions of their government/society.
True. I guess the most we could do is that everyone informally agrees to no longer respond to ThoughtMaster's posts, and his votes don't get counted in tallies.
pheonix89
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Oh god, I missed that.
In light of that detail, this war can't end with Licori independence intact. They're been working on a weapon of mass murder instead of fleeting up, after all. The current Licori government/culture is simply too dangerous to remain intact.
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Not sure what Ainsworth is smoking, because this is a defeat. We have one ship slightly damaged, and one ship severely damaged. They have two ships slightly damaged. Its not even an attritional victory, because the damage to the Sydraxian ships will probably not require more than a month or two of repairs, tops. I guess this is why the Conniebee is just a stopgap cruiser; it really is showing its limitations as a combatant.
Good news is that the Courageous survived, though its down at least 1E of crew and we now have yet ANOTHER excelsior in need of longterm repairs. Bad news is that the Licori have shown themselves to be dysfunctional as a society to the point where they can't be trusted as friends, as neighbors, or even with their own safety. I guess its good to see that the Federation government seems to be treating this with due seriousness, if nothing else.
Its very analogous to the Orion Syndicate's disabling of the Courageous. In both cases, we knew that (minor power) would do grave harm to us if it could, but we didn't take them seriously because we thought they lacked the ability. Once that ability has been demonstrated, we are forced to take them more seriously.
Unlike that Orion situation, however, the Lecarre are protected by the Treaty of Celos. If we had found out about this at any time prior to the signing of that treaty, I'd want to destroy some Lecarre outposts and ships as a deterrent against them trying this again. It's even possible that we could then pressure their leaders into negotiating a lasting peace. Unfortunately, the timing just completely fucked us over.
There's not much we can do about the Lecarre right now. We'll need to wait until either a) they try to do this again in violation of the Treaty of Celos, or b) we've weakened the Ashalla Pact to the point where we can act against the Lecarre without fear of Cardassian reprisals.
Let's not thought police.
Good news is that the Courageous survived, though its down at least 1E of crew and we now have yet ANOTHER excelsior in need of longterm repairs. Bad news is that the Licori have shown themselves to be dysfunctional as a society to the point where they can't be trusted as friends, as neighbors, or even with their own safety. I guess its good to see that the Federation government seems to be treating this with due seriousness, if nothing else.
Its very analogous to the Orion Syndicate's disabling of the Courageous. In both cases, we knew that (minor power) would do grave harm to us if it could, but we didn't take them seriously because we thought they lacked the ability. Once that ability has been demonstrated, we are forced to take them more seriously.
Unlike that Orion situation, however, the Lecarre are protected by the Treaty of Celos. If we had found out about this at any time prior to the signing of that treaty, I'd want to destroy some Lecarre outposts and ships as a deterrent against them trying this again. It's even possible that we could then pressure their leaders into negotiating a lasting peace. Unfortunately, the timing just completely fucked us over.
There's not much we can do about the Lecarre right now. We'll need to wait until either a) they try to do this again in violation of the Treaty of Celos, or b) we've weakened the Ashalla Pact to the point where we can act against the Lecarre without fear of Cardassian reprisals.
Let's not thought police.
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To be fair, the entire 'weaponize the Biophage' tangent wouldn't have happened if someone else hadn't dug it up from months back in an effort to discredit Thoughtmaster.
pheonix89
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That the experiments were not shut down constitutes acquiescence/support. If the Licori government couldn't do that then they're a de facto failed state that is a direct threat to all their neighbors.
He's getting us hit with in-game punishments. It's not thought policing anymore.
Actually, let's. Because what do you call assigning militarization for discussion?
You aren't any better. e: Worse, actually:
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AKuz
Been Better
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Does it really matter if it's only one noble house that burns a billion men, women, and children in an afternoon while the rest of their civilization watches?
The fact is that their system allows for this to happen. If we don't want to wake up one morning to Billions of lives lost (Even by Accident!) then something has to be done!
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2314.Q2
30 br
60 sr
5 rp
15 qloath
15 seyek
Challorn damaged, -1 E
Courageous damaged -? Crew
Exeter light damage
So 3 ships damaged but we likely gained the resources needed for repair
30 br
60 sr
5 rp
15 qloath
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Challorn damaged, -1 E
Courageous damaged -? Crew
Exeter light damage
So 3 ships damaged but we likely gained the resources needed for repair
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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It sounds like they've been studying SF ships to know where to hit to cause the most damage.
pbluekan
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If/when the Licori are put down, I'm expecting any provisional governments to be overseen at least partially by the Gaeni. Their societal mores align closely enough that it wouldn't be too politically untenable, and they are just mad scientist enough to understand what the licori are doing and stop it.
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I think the crew is mostly fine. -1/2/1 tops.
Generic_Generica
Notice me Senpai~
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They can blow up stars. They've been pouring time and energy into figuring out how to blow up stars.
Like I don't want a bunch of star-destroying loonies running around holy shit.
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Hmm, interesting, seeing as such made a hit rate of 90% for the Syndraxians vs an 83.87% hit rate for us. I wonder if it is possible to increase our hit rate? Gunnery practice or something to improve accuracy might work, or maybe adding a method so that targeting can be done manually?
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they lost 24 people. so probably nothing crew-damage wise, half a point at most.
Evasion is dependent on three things: size, engines, and veterancy. Of those, engines is a minor contributor.
The Kalindrax is a large cruiser, bigger than a Jaldun, about 1.4 to 1.6mt. The Constitution is a 1mt cruiser. We should have the evasion advantage over the Kalindrax by the tune of ~2-3%. The Hasque is a 700 to 800kt escort, and the Constellation is a 700kt (800kt with retcon) cruiser. They should have approximately equal evasion, but this is the Challorn, which should get an evasion bonus from being blooded. We should there have the evasion advantage to the tune of ~3-5%.
Overall a Federation evasion advantage exists, unless it was mitigated by doctrine or foreign analysis. Speaking of doctrine, they have a +9% doctrine or FA advantage. I actually don't see any doctrine or reasonable years of FA that could get us that in a 2v2 battle like this one.