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.... Omega Particles.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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pheonix89
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Then it's war the instant that's confirmed.
Again, war the instant that's confirmed. In this case, however any means short of weaponizing the biophage, but NOT short of weaponized Genesis are acceptable if necessary to win.
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Honestly, I consider Omega Particles dubious because Voyager.
Still, given they disrupt subspace, they may also disrupt subspace comms.
Now, the question is if the disruption is detectable externally at range.
Still, given they disrupt subspace, they may also disrupt subspace comms.
Now, the question is if the disruption is detectable externally at range.
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I consider Omega particles dubious because of all of the Cloak and Dagger bits. Not because of its origins, but because of its shoddy writing. That is also an issue with the writers, and a systemic one, but that's beyond the point. They were introduced poorly, and are a bad plot device of the stardate.
A large Omega showing up on the viewscreen? Really?
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then you're going to be feeling a lot of pain. regardless of your overall opinion of voyager, it's contributions to the rest of trek cannon is one of it's weakest elements. weather that ranges from contributing little to being a blight on cannon depends on your opinion. Given we are dealing with it's contributions to treks wider cannon it's rarely going to be mentioned in a positive light.
Derek58
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For a vast number of very good reasons.
Voyager had some good parts to it, but otherwise squandered all its potential.
Cteatus
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Objectively I can probably admit Voyager's writing was pretty shit.
Subjectively? Voyager was a GIANT part of my childhood and got me through some pretty fucking rough times. Voyager holds a high enough position in my psyche that I can excuse Threshold.
I totally acknowledge that parts of it are shit, but it makes me very very sad to do so.
I hate to gamble with such things but now that you've mentioned it I feel the need to point out there is a very real chance that if a star just went supernova and if the Licori are responsible then they may have just committed the forbidden word. Every planet within 50 to 100 lightyears of that star would be at risk of suffering life destroying effects from the supernova.One more mention of the "g" word (genocide) on this page or the next and its +1 Militarisation point
Given that the Couragous was in 2C and that grids are 10LY across that means everyone from "b" to "G" along the X-axis and "-2" to "6" along the Y-axis is now at risk. I'll throw up an edit of one of Nix's maps to show how massive an area that is shortly but it includes a good chunk of Federation and Romulan territory.
Now admittedly we do have decades to work on solutions like planetary shielding or evacuations but this could be a serious crisis.
UbeOne
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Unless subspace shenanigans are involved, they have plenty of time to evacuate and relocate.
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If a star had gone supernova, we would already have heard about it in the last update.
Here is the map:
I did say we'd have decades to deal with the problem:
but notice that a lot of important planets, Earth included, are within even the conservative danger zone.
Oh, please don't tell me the Courageous got Voyager'd.
Look at the bright side. An Excelsior is far better able to handle being 'lost in space' compared to an Intrepid.
Fuck. That includes Gaen, Betazed, Alpha Centauri, and Rigel.
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Double Fuck!
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That also affects a quarter of Romulan territory. I say let the Space Romans take their pound of flesh first.
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To be fair, for something like that to happen Oneiros would have had to roll a lot of 1s.Here is the map:
That big red circle is a 40LY radius from 2C.
I did say we'd have decades to deal with the problem:
but notice that a lot of important planets, Earth included, are within even the conservative danger zone.
AKuz
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Oh, please don't tell me the Courageous got Voyager'd.
I'd prefer getting Voyagered to getting blow'd up.
Maybe she could meet Stargazer half way home? > : V
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goddammit, no wonder everyone is so twitchy about the menats playing with stars.
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Our own fleet is tied up in Gabriel. So.
If this was the Licori, I say we hand the Ked-Paddah blueprints for the Rennie and as much br and sr as we can afford, and then let nature take its course.
If this was the Licori, I say we hand the Ked-Paddah blueprints for the Rennie and as much br and sr as we can afford, and then let nature take its course.
Or more likely halfway to the destination.
The Romulans don't need to, and probably wouldn't, do anything. Laio is at most ten light years away from the star in question and most likely far closer. Basically every world they control is in line for destruction. Worst the Romulans would probably do is destroy all the Licori's starships and shipyards, leaving them stranded on their own worlds to be destroyed by their own actions.
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Alright, we're getting a little vengeance-y again, and this is all still just speculation. Can we either think of ways to deal with this productively, think of other possibilities as to what might have happened/will happen, or change the subject entirely? I don't want those militarisation points.
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I'm going to try and get us off the sadistic glee-train too.
Firstly, it is not certain that Courageous simply got blown up. There is ample precedent in Star Trek for starships winding up missing in ways that they return from in reasonably short amounts of time.
Secondly, if further investigation indicates that the Licori are responsible, our first step is, quite simply, an ultimatum. They have to know they can't fight the Ked Paddah and the Federation at the same time. Their government, given a choice between surrendering the mentat experimental astrophysics programs and getting forcibly regime-changed, is likely to choose "stop blowing up stars."
So all this grim "REVENGE" nonsense is pointless. The overwhelmingly likely outcome IF everything is as it seems is NOT massive revenge. It's that we end up sitting very hard on the Licori without them putting up much of a fight. The scale mismatch is too large for any other outcome.
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And I must point out that Oneiros positively delights in giving us scenarios that look like "Welp, time to declare war to the knife over this treacherous attack," when the reality is more complicated.
We thought the Cheron bombing was Romulan perfidy. Then we found out about the Biophage.
We thought the Polaris attack was Dawiar perfidy. People were howling about how horrible it was for them to attack our diplomats. Then we found out the real story was more complicated.
We thought the Kadak-Tor incident was Cardassian perfidy, them mobilizing for a sneak attack. Then we found out what was really going on.
Now we think the sudden disapperance of the Courageous is Licori perfidy.
See the pattern?
Firstly, it is not certain that Courageous simply got blown up. There is ample precedent in Star Trek for starships winding up missing in ways that they return from in reasonably short amounts of time.
Secondly, if further investigation indicates that the Licori are responsible, our first step is, quite simply, an ultimatum. They have to know they can't fight the Ked Paddah and the Federation at the same time. Their government, given a choice between surrendering the mentat experimental astrophysics programs and getting forcibly regime-changed, is likely to choose "stop blowing up stars."
So all this grim "REVENGE" nonsense is pointless. The overwhelmingly likely outcome IF everything is as it seems is NOT massive revenge. It's that we end up sitting very hard on the Licori without them putting up much of a fight. The scale mismatch is too large for any other outcome.
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And I must point out that Oneiros positively delights in giving us scenarios that look like "Welp, time to declare war to the knife over this treacherous attack," when the reality is more complicated.
We thought the Cheron bombing was Romulan perfidy. Then we found out about the Biophage.
We thought the Polaris attack was Dawiar perfidy. People were howling about how horrible it was for them to attack our diplomats. Then we found out the real story was more complicated.
We thought the Kadak-Tor incident was Cardassian perfidy, them mobilizing for a sneak attack. Then we found out what was really going on.
Now we think the sudden disapperance of the Courageous is Licori perfidy.
See the pattern?
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I personally think we should be at about +5 militarization from this entire discussion, given how so many idiots here are going on about how they'd like to go to war, going so far as to talk about which specific weaponized plagues they'd like to use or not use. Going on about methods is worse than the forbidden word.