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Yes, can all respiring life forms take a deep breath (and AI's please make sure your voltage levels are not spiking).

We need to wait to hear more before we shift from speculating to making accusations and plans.

If it is a space whale belching a tacheon pulse and sending the ship to next Tuesday, we will be happy not having gone off.
 
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Yes, can all respiring life forms take a deep breath (and AI's please make sure your voltage levels are not spiking).

We need to wait to hear more before we shift from speculating to making accusations and plans.

If it is a space whale belching a tacheon pulse and sending the ship to next Tuesday, we will be happy not having gone off.
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That reminds me of Tin Man. The sentient starship that wanted to die by supernova and the Enterprise D was sent to talk to it.
 
To be fair, I think people did back off a bit after Oneiros's timely warning, and that's good, but I agree.

We need to NOT obsessively dwell on the worst case scenario (a supernova killing billions). We have good reason to think that is NOT happening, among other things because zh'Dohlen's report reads:

" However, in the case of the USS Courageous, we do hold grave concerns. Contact has still not been resumed. They were last in subsector 2c, between Arcadian and Laio space, in contact with neutral forces, and experiencing unusual photodynamic pressures. The Rigel Sector Fleet is searching, as are Gaeni, Rigellian, and UESPA forces. The first force responding to the system they were last attending reports that the star there underwent some form of "limited artificial core collapse". UESPA is dispatching a research cruiser, and two Gaeni Tech-Cruisers are on hand. We are attempting to determine what sparked the incident, and to determine any sign of the Courageous or any signature that may give an egress direction."

Now, that means that friendly ships have already investigated that star system. If there were an apocalyptic explosion with interstellar repercussions, they would have mentioned it. They didn't say "that star just exploded, everyone within forty light years go hide on the opposite side of your planet." They said "limited artificial core collapse." I suspect that whatever really happened is to a supernova as a firecracker is to a nuclear bomb. Still colossally destructive locally, but not an astropolitical cosmic disaster.
 
Weird, I accidentally my post.

Anyway, reading the war game logs from the S'harien tells me two things.

1. T'Rinta's combat bonus is awesome and makes a substantial difference. If the S'harien had been doing less damage per shot, we almost certainly would have taken hull damage by the time the Serene went down.

2. Seyek ships really do have amazing firepower. Combined with our own tankier Excelsiors to soak up damage, these guys could punch right through a fleet of Jalduns and Kaldars. We want to integrate the Seyek stat. We might have to help resolve the fiiral situation before that happens, though.
 
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I think the fiiral situation is pretty well resolved, There does not seem to be all that much grassroots support for the fiiral separatists. It's an issue, but really a huge one.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure Federation membership would resolve the Fiiral issues quite nicely and greatly diminish support for violent separatism, for a simple reason:

Fiiral is a major world. It is almost certainly one of the three or four most populous planets in Seyek space, and as such would get its own councilor. If the Fiiral want independence, there's no obvious reason they shouldn't have the same regional autonomy that Vulcan and its colonies do, for instance.

Federation membership provides a perfect vehicle for peacefully 'disentangling' the Seyek and the Fiiral back into two independent polities, while making it impossible for either of them to wage war or threaten the other.

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To be clear I'm not saying this HAS to happen... but there's no reason for it NOT to happen and the political structure of the Federation would probably be very supportive of any Fiiral political faction on their homeworld that wanted to peacefully establish themselves as a separate governmental entity from the larger Seyek population and government.

Although it's a bit complicated since it looks like the Seyek are a constitutional monarchy with the Fiiral king in charge as I understand it... oi.

But basically yeah... this issue might actually be more easily fixed by inducting the Seyek into the Federation and just following normal legal procedures of allocating council seats than by making 'fix this' a precondition for membership.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Actually, I'm pretty sure Federation membership would resolve the Fiiral issues quite nicely and greatly diminish support for violent separatism, for a simple reason:

Fiiral is a major world. It is almost certainly one of the three or four most populous planets in Seyek space, and as such would get its own councilor. If the Fiiral want independence, there's no obvious reason they shouldn't have the same regional autonomy that Vulcan and its colonies do, for instance.

Federation membership provides a perfect vehicle for peacefully 'disentangling' the Seyek and the Fiiral back into two independent polities, while making it impossible for either of them to wage war or threaten the other.

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To be clear I'm not saying this HAS to happen... but there's no reason for it NOT to happen and the political structure of the Federation would probably be very supportive of any Fiiral political faction on their homeworld that wanted to peacefully establish themselves as a separate governmental entity from the larger Seyek population and government.

Although it's a bit complicated since it looks like the Seyek are a constitutional monarchy with the Fiiral king in charge as I understand it... oi.

But basically yeah... this issue might actually be more easily fixed by inducting the Seyek into the Federation and just following normal legal procedures of allocating council seats than by making 'fix this' a precondition for membership.
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Well, that depends on whether the fiiral have any other grievances against the Seyek besides "we want to be independent." The power of the fiiral king in their government is a good sign, but things might not be as rosy on the ground level.

Conversely, we need to be sure that if the fiiral do become an autonomous Federation world, they won't revert to the practices that brought them to war with the Seyek in the first place.
 
Since I'm having an extremely hard time figuring out what those practices were, I can't really factor them in. I feel like there's supposed to be a 2000-word writeup on the Seyek or something that just isn't threadmarked in a way that enables me to find it, and I must have overlooked it when I searched the thread for the word 'fiiral,' whereas the word 'seyek' brings up several hundred posts in a search and therefore cannot really be used.

The basic point is that it's going to be much easier for the Fiiral to make decisions internal to their own main settled world(s) under the Federation than it would be now. What those decisions are could get very complicated, of course, and we might have to become involved. But Fiiral who just want autonomy may actually see Federation membership as a road to getting more of it.
 
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Since I'm having an extremely hard time figuring out what those practices were, I can't really factor them in. I feel like there's supposed to be a 2000-word writeup on the Seyek or something that just isn't threadmarked in a way that enables me to find it, and I must have overlooked it when I searched the thread for the word 'fiiral,' whereas the word 'seyek' brings up several hundred posts in a search and therefore cannot really be used.

The basic point is that it's going to be much easier for the Fiiral to make decisions internal to their own main settled world(s) under the Federation than it would be now. What those decisions are could get very complicated, of course, and we might have to become involved. But Fiiral who just want autonomy may actually see Federation membership as a road to getting more of it.
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I'd ask @Iron Wolf . The Seyek are his brainchild.
 
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Well yeah, I'm sure Iron Wolf knows, but it just... hasn't come up, and if there was ever anything written down about it, that material is buried 1200 pages deep.
 
Next Snakepit, are we going to make a deal with the Mercantalists? I'd like to see us pry the Dawair from the AP, and huge amounts of trade that make war uneconomical and undesirable seems the way forward. We don't have to make diplomatic contact or whatever. Just send in the Freighters.
 
Hmm.

It does look like the Licori would be an excellent source to pin blame on. That's why I'm suspicious. It wouldn't shock me if this was Sydraxian involvement here, by hook or crook.
 
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I personally think we should be at about +5 militarization from this entire discussion, given how so many idiots here are going on about how they'd like to go to war, going so far as to talk about which specific weaponized plagues they'd like to use or not use. Going on about methods is worse than the forbidden word.
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But somehow I doubt Militarization points are going to deter a small group of vocal idiots from being, well, vocal. They're just going to keep jabbering on about how we need to be able to use bioweapons and be tough players making tough decisions and using the only thing these barbarians understand.
 
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But somehow I doubt Militarization points are going to deter a small group of vocal idiots from being, well, vocal. They're just going to keep jabbering on about how we need to be able to use bioweapons and be tough players making tough decisions and using the only thing these barbarians understand.
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Everybody vote the way I want or else I'll start spamming the G word. :p
 
I have high expectations about getting a Courageous Captain's Log out of this in the third month. Too much of a tease not to.

The missed event appears to have been a mineral extraction for bulk resources, which is the event type I'm least concerned about missing. Still, it's providing more and more evidence we need that technology that allows border zones to respond to neighboring sectors.
 
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I have high expectations about getting a Courageous Captain's Log out of this in the third month. Too much of a tease not to.
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Captain's Log, AEM Really Brave, Imperial Date 7892 - Mentat Dikhed

A most fortuitous discovery! A massive alien starship was found, mysteriously absent any crew, right at ground zero of my transmaterial flesh-vaporizing solar burst test. While my colleagues are still having some trouble translating the nuances of the alien text emblazoned on the hull, I have claimed the Really Brave by right of salvage for the glory of my masters, the noble House Aswype.
 
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Briefvoice said:
I have high expectations about getting a Courageous Captain's Log out of this in the third month. Too much of a tease not to.

The missed event appears to have been a mineral extraction for bulk resources, which is the event type I'm least concerned about missing. Still, it's providing more and more evidence we need that technology that allows border zones to respond to neighboring sectors.
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We can get that in five years including this one. 3 years on border world focus and then 2 years (boosting each year) on mutual support. That will also and with a level up of our tech team so future forward defense techs will take 2 years without needing boosts.
 
There are many things we need. It will be many game years, assuming no further growth (with four new ratifications almost guaranteed, whatever we can claim in the GBZ, any other expansions ....) and no serious losses (Courageous, where are you, GBZ fighting ...).

I'm sure that eventually, we will have a solid set of ships and doctrines that let us be fairly sure we have covered all internal events that are not States of Emergency. It will just be our far flung Explorers in trouble after that.
Eventually.
 
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Captain's Log, AEL Really Brave, Imperial Date 37892 - Mentat Dikhed

A most fortuitous discovery! A massive alien starship was found, mysteriously absent any crew, right at ground zero of my experimental transmaterial flesh-vaporizing solar burst test. While my colleagues are still having some trouble translating the nuances of the alien text emblazoned on the hull, I have claimed the ship by right of salvage for the glory of my masters, the noble House Asswype.
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"Upon entering the derelict, it was found that the main computer core was offline. I'm now initiating the boot sequence."
No further log entries.
 
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