To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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AKuz
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It was those 'Mission Accomplished' banners, wasn't it? We just had to jinx it...
Not long, but it sounds like Ainsworth intends to move soon. Like next quarter soon. So we might be able to hit them while those ships are still out for repair.
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8 escorts and 6 cruisers and there cruisers are solid at 4C 6L and 5S, only 3H though
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The more I think about this, the less sure I am that we can afford to wait a year.
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Two(?) years ago the KP discovered the experiment, now the Licorri were successful, even if for just a microsecond. ... What happened to the Mentat ship? Did it transmit the results?
10ebbor10
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Negative X months.
I mean, the thing they currently have is already a formidable weapon of it's own right. It's capable of rendering a ship combat ineffective in a single hit. It's capable of destroying an entire star system, and cause problems in nearby ones.
Just because they can't blow up the universe yet doesn't mean they're not yet dangerous.
Oh, and that latter issue could easily be stopped by getting multiple ships to do the destabilizing thingy in sequence. Loss of degeneracy pressure is a serious and physics defying issue, and can have massive consequences.
Edit : On a side note, I'm pretty sure they would be able create a very fancy light show if they use it on a neutron star.
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I doubt Courageous got a good look.
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So, a one year warning is optimistic.
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Starfleet Report On The Role Of Criminal Incompetence In Recent GBZ Engagement
In the course of going over the battle logs from the recent GBZ engagement, the following was discovered:
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> In the first 49 turns the Exeter was fired on 8 times. In 111 turns the Exeter was fired on 35 times (+27). In the first 49 turns the Challorn was fired on 15 times, in 111 was fired on 23 times (+8).
> In the first 49 turns the Kalindrax was fired on 14 times. In 111 turns the Kalindrax was fired on 27 times (+13). In the first 49 turns the Hasque was fired on 13 times, in 111 was fired on 27 times (+14).
> By turn 49 the Challorn had lost shield and been reduced to 28.63 Hull. Between turn 49 and turn 59 the Challorn was fired on an additional 6 times, resulting in a remaining 12.75 hull.
> By contrast, by turn 49, the Kalindrax was at 17.50 / 50 shield, and the Hasque was at 15.78 / 30 shield. By turn 59 the Kalindrax was at 17.50 / 50 shield and the Hasque was at 13.49/30 shield.
> The damage outputted by the Federation force was not uncomprable to that outputted by the Sydraxian ships by turn 49. In fact, given that the Exeter was at 29.82 / 40 shield by turn 49, 10.18 + 30 + 2.37 ~=~ 42.55, 32.50 + 14.22 ~=~ 46.7 (ignores shield regeneration which is at any rate minor), it is fact that the Federation force had dealt more damage than the Sydraxians by turn 49, as would be expected given the minor advantage in combat capabilities.
> The Federation force lost the engagement horribly.
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It is standard practice for captains in a small engagement to attempt to engage in focused fire for the purpose of achieving an optimal result -- the removal of a single ship's shields so that damage can be dealt to its actual combat capabilities is vastly more important than simply lowering the shields of all enemies whenever possible. It is the opinion of this report that this practice was engaged in solely by the Sydraxian parties in this engagement, in a demonstration of incredible incompetence by the Federation captains involved. This report opines that if the Federation captains involved in the battle had made any attempt to engage in basic intelligent combat maneuvers, i.e. focused fire, then the Federation forces involved would have potentially won the engagement decisively, or at the very least not suffered such a ridiculous upset in a battle where they should have been slightly advantaged.
The authors of this report checked, and focused fire is listed as a topic in Starfleet Academy required courses. It is therefore the opinion of this report that a board of inquiry should be opened into this matter, to determine whether there was criminal incompetence on the part of the captains involved, or if Starfleet Academy personnel have been negligent in the teaching of certain courses, or if there may have been some sort of sabotage involved that caused the Federation captains to act in a way unbefitting of Starfleet personnel.
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In the course of going over the battle logs from the recent GBZ engagement, the following was discovered:
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> In the first 49 turns the Exeter was fired on 8 times. In 111 turns the Exeter was fired on 35 times (+27). In the first 49 turns the Challorn was fired on 15 times, in 111 was fired on 23 times (+8).
> In the first 49 turns the Kalindrax was fired on 14 times. In 111 turns the Kalindrax was fired on 27 times (+13). In the first 49 turns the Hasque was fired on 13 times, in 111 was fired on 27 times (+14).
> By turn 49 the Challorn had lost shield and been reduced to 28.63 Hull. Between turn 49 and turn 59 the Challorn was fired on an additional 6 times, resulting in a remaining 12.75 hull.
> By contrast, by turn 49, the Kalindrax was at 17.50 / 50 shield, and the Hasque was at 15.78 / 30 shield. By turn 59 the Kalindrax was at 17.50 / 50 shield and the Hasque was at 13.49/30 shield.
> The damage outputted by the Federation force was not uncomprable to that outputted by the Sydraxian ships by turn 49. In fact, given that the Exeter was at 29.82 / 40 shield by turn 49, 10.18 + 30 + 2.37 ~=~ 42.55, 32.50 + 14.22 ~=~ 46.7 (ignores shield regeneration which is at any rate minor), it is fact that the Federation force had dealt more damage than the Sydraxians by turn 49, as would be expected given the minor advantage in combat capabilities.
> The Federation force lost the engagement horribly.
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It is standard practice for captains in a small engagement to attempt to engage in focused fire for the purpose of achieving an optimal result -- the removal of a single ship's shields so that damage can be dealt to its actual combat capabilities is vastly more important than simply lowering the shields of all enemies whenever possible. It is the opinion of this report that this practice was engaged in solely by the Sydraxian parties in this engagement, in a demonstration of incredible incompetence by the Federation captains involved. This report opines that if the Federation captains involved in the battle had made any attempt to engage in basic intelligent combat maneuvers, i.e. focused fire, then the Federation forces involved would have potentially won the engagement decisively, or at the very least not suffered such a ridiculous upset in a battle where they should have been slightly advantaged.
The authors of this report checked, and focused fire is listed as a topic in Starfleet Academy required courses. It is therefore the opinion of this report that a board of inquiry should be opened into this matter, to determine whether there was criminal incompetence on the part of the captains involved, or if Starfleet Academy personnel have been negligent in the teaching of certain courses, or if there may have been some sort of sabotage involved that caused the Federation captains to act in a way unbefitting of Starfleet personnel.
-Report Ends-
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It's a fairly simple deterrent to have a small ship hang out at the star of one of your systems, and if you get attacked, you MAD them by triggering one of these artificial core collapse pulses. I don't approve of it, but it is a defensive strategy that would employ this ability.
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Oh, from the MAD strategy perspective it makes sense for the Licorri (or Cardassians) to develop such weapons. From the political "your neighbours want to survive" perspective it has some downsides.
I'm going to assume the the Mentat's, while crazy and suicidal, aren't stupid.
It's probably SOP for them to transmit the details and procedures of their dangerous experiments before they actually do them.
More seriously...
Well... fuck!
10ebbor10
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Maybe not.
There are a couple of unknowns.
1) How expensive is the stellar destruction system? Is it affordable. The fact that a lone mentat from a single noble house could build one does however suggest it's relativitely cheap.
2) How long is the set-up time? Was the Courageous lucky to meet them in time, or does it take ages to start the experiment?
3) How many know about the weapon? A single mentat, an entire Noble House, or the entire Arcadian empire?
4) How competent/Stable are the Arcadians? See, their political structure appears to be based on multiple infighting noble houses. The invention of the stellar destruction weapon will result in victory of the Noble house who does it. Will the other houses fall in line, forming a unified, powerfull empire. Or will they backstab each other, destroying the weapon (ideally) or themselves (probable).
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It also leads one to wonder why the Licori wanted a MAD weapon in the first place, since the war with the Ked-Paddah only started because of those experiments.
Occam's Razor says that the core collapse device was initially invented as part of the ongoing dick-waving contest between Licori noble houses, and that they doubled down on it once the Ked-Paddah attacked in hopes of turning it into a MAD weapon. However, its also possible that they were originally developing it for use against a third, unknown party, or that they have had secret aspirations of conquest all along.
@Kaizuki
Instead of thinking of them as battle rounds, imagine the battle like this:
The Federation fleet warps in and gets the jump on the Sydraxians. They do a fair chunk of damage in the opening salvos.
The Sydraxian commander orders evasive maneuvers and manages to escape the initial trap.
The Sydraxian commander orders a torpedo barrage. The Federation must evade, but aren't as successful and their ships get hit several times.
The Challorn reports damage and begins to withdraw.
The Exeter covers the Challorn's retreat by maneuvering between the enemy ships. Despite this, the Challorn is hit several more times.
The Sydraxians overcommit to pursuing the Challorn and open themselves up to full broadsides from Exeter.
The Exeter carves swathes in both Sydraxian ships and they turn tail and run.
Or in terms of the battle engine, the quantity of damage a ship can output starts to go down immediately as it starts to lose hull. So at turn 49 when the Challorn lost shields, our damage output should start to decline rapidly.
Instead of thinking of them as battle rounds, imagine the battle like this:
The Federation fleet warps in and gets the jump on the Sydraxians. They do a fair chunk of damage in the opening salvos.
The Sydraxian commander orders evasive maneuvers and manages to escape the initial trap.
The Sydraxian commander orders a torpedo barrage. The Federation must evade, but aren't as successful and their ships get hit several times.
The Challorn reports damage and begins to withdraw.
The Exeter covers the Challorn's retreat by maneuvering between the enemy ships. Despite this, the Challorn is hit several more times.
The Sydraxians overcommit to pursuing the Challorn and open themselves up to full broadsides from Exeter.
The Exeter carves swathes in both Sydraxian ships and they turn tail and run.
Or in terms of the battle engine, the quantity of damage a ship can output starts to go down immediately as it starts to lose hull. So at turn 49 when the Challorn lost shields, our damage output should start to decline rapidly.
I suppose it's also possible that the harder you tell a mentat not to study something, the more it wants to. If people haven't been studying something, that means you can make a bigger mark in the field!
But they were fully successful. As I showed earlier a true nova bomb would be nothing more then a suicide device; it's completely useless outside of a last strike revenge tactic.
What the Licori have here is a weapon capable of entirely an entire solar system with little fallout to locations outside the system. It's currently too slow to be a practical weapon, the Couragous had time to detect it from outside the system and approach to close range before the star burped, but if they can speed it up the Licori have the perfect genocide device. Launch a fleet of small high speed probes/suicide ships equipped with these and they can wipe out the Ked Pah or anyone else who opposes them in a matter of hours.
The Federation is right to jump to full alert and throw every diplomatic trick they have at the Licori, while preparing an appropriate military response for if that fails, to try and get them to see reason.
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... Hopefully that happens fast enough that there are Ked Paddah, Gaeni and Licori left to make into members ...
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The problem with the "Gun At The Head of The Universe" scenario is that, presented with an existential threat, people will go nuts to subvert it. Prepare for cloaked first-strike ships to orbit all your suns, the Lecarre/SFI/Tal'Shiar Man From UNCLE teamup series to turn everyone, your entire communications system to go down on a regular basis, etc.
AKuz
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I actually wonder if the Romulans are going to freak a little too. Upcoming war with the Klingons or no war.
We for deffos need to talk to the Romulans /now/ because we have these new channels. We might as well use them to help them not panic when the entire coreward Romulan border erupts into warships.
We for deffos need to talk to the Romulans /now/ because we have these new channels. We might as well use them to help them not panic when the entire coreward Romulan border erupts into warships.
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I really hope the Licori back down on this. I mean, 2 peer powers and a massive super power are presently willing and able to use force to make them stop the mad science. That's enofhg of an overwhelming force that they have no hope of militarily resisting it. I know that noble houses tend to be catastrophically bad at seeing bond their petty dickwaving contests, but the guys who were already beating them in a war suddenly getting a dozen or so more ships in support should get even those guys to realize they may need to take this seriously.
course there is always the risk they panic and do something stupid, like send out a dozen menats with instructions to get 50 light years away from their own space and then "go nuts".
course there is always the risk they panic and do something stupid, like send out a dozen menats with instructions to get 50 light years away from their own space and then "go nuts".