I think the most important consideration is the next gen explorer (Ambassador) design project. The ship design spreadsheet isn't ready - and even the old one produced IMO overly power-creeped designs. Can we get some stat/cost line guarantee and minimum research time for a 3mt explorer design - enough information to vote on it? The full ship design (and the ship design spreadsheet) can wait until next year or so, depending on the minimum research time.
Of secondary concern is whether the Celos/Precipice situation along with the >100 EOY Syndicate cost changed any of the Syndicate-related snakepit options. (Like, do we still have the +5 influence to spend?)
Huh, anyone else notice this? This is surely going to the last Constitution ever constructed.
Surprised the Vulcans didn't want to wait one more year for the Renaissance. Or maybe they want another member fleet to take the Renaissance plunge first.
"Of course the Vulcans would be the ones to lay down the last Connie. With a dozen excuses about the logic. It always happens. They always try to pretend, but at the very last minute, as the curtain goes down... Vulcans sigh and admit they have souls too."
[X][AMARKIA] Green Light (Independent Fleets Allowed in)
[X][STAFF] Keep Staff
[X][APIATA] USS Enterprise
[X][INDOR] USS Sarek
2313.Q2
Paris is even lovelier than usual as you stride through her streets. Or perhaps with the sudden advancements in the Syndicate situation, you just feel lighter. In any event, you haven't enjoyed yourself this much in a long while.
The Treaty of Celos! An agreement with the Cardassians, finally, and it hasn't been broken within the first three months. Perhaps it will hold? But in conjunction with the crumbling of Syndicate resistance, the mood is far more relaxed now.
[-3 Threat Level]
To your great surprise, the topic of the Gabriel doesn't come up very much. And when it does, it comes in one of the only two sour moments for your trip. Councillor Jorth of Tellar Prime gives you a baking over the fact Starfleet Logistics have drawn six ships out of the network which, as you haven't been able to cater for Starfleet's own needs for a decade with the full command, has devolved the responsibility to seconded transports from the member worlds. This makes the development faction in particular very irate. But there has been no helping it. You have had all of your yards working furiously to cover the new territory that has joined the Federation. A new auxiliary yard will help, though. You take your time to drive that point home, and the good Councillor backs off.
[New Combat Cap Formula to account for increased scale: 150 + (10 per Member) + (10 per Threat Point) = 350]
Still, given what Ainsworth has in mind, it's probably just as well that the Council isn't asking about the GBZ...
The other sour moment, of course, is the debacle of the USS Salnas, which blew out it's own warp plasma matrix while conveying critical medicine for the Indorians. Jorlyth bakes you, Langford bakes you, Singh bakes you, Korielis bakes you, Jorth bakes you again. Stesk merely conveys his disappointment in Starfleet. That one actually hurt the worst.
By the end of it, you give Heidi Eriksson an absolute roasting of your own, and you're satisfied that your words will work their way down the line to whoever is ultimately responsible for it all.
[ ][COUNCIL] Submit a plan to the Council
(You may select any number of options, as long as you can pay the Political Will cost. You currently have eighty-three (83) Political Will to spend, as 15 of your 78 are sequestered by the Pacifists.
(You can approach any faction to try to make a deal on a topic)
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Expansionists
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Developers
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Hawks
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Mercantilists
15pp being used by the Pacifists!
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Federation Council Options for 2313.Q2
Request development of San Francisco Fleet Yards, 15pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of 40 Eridani A Shipyards, 20pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Ana Font Shipyard, 15pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 15pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request Excelsior berth at a shipyard, 35pp (6 turns, gain new 3m t berth) [+5 for every extra 3mt berth present at shipyard past the first]
Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 12pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 35pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
Request new Shipyard at Betazed, 20pp (8 turns, 2 1mt Berths)
Request new Shipyard at Amarkia, 35pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 25pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Rigel, 25pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
Request new Starbase I [Write in Sector] 15pp for home sectors or CBZ , 25pp for KBZ, +12pp for each Starbase past the first in-sector
Reduce Militarisation Level 120pp
Increase Threat Level 90pp
Request Ongoing Budget increase 40pp (Roll for success)
Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 40pp
Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
Request Science Academy Development, 15pp (Gain +1 Techs throughput)
Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
Request Start of Heavy Explorer project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 34pp
Request Start of General Cruiser project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 28pp
Request Start of Combat Escort project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 30pp
Request Start of Garrison Escort project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 30pp
Request Refit Program for Constellation Cruiser class [+1 C,S,H,L,D, for 40br, 30sr, 1.5 Year (6 turns)], 6 turns 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/55)
Request Refit Program for Constellation Escort class [+1 S, P, D, for 2br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 4 turns, 18pp (NB: Constellation reclassified as Escort, new cost 70/50)
Request Refit Program for Excelsior class [+1 C, S, L, P for 50br, 30sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns, 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Excelsior will be 230/160)
Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 20pp
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to four times]
Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral convinced it is time to retire, 20pp
Amend the Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 30pp (Present options for changing your anti-Syndicate legislation - you have 5 Influence available)
Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 20pp for Starfleet Intelligence, 30pp for Medical, 30pp for Explorer Corps.
Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Vice Admiral position to an Admiral position. Pick one: 40pp for Starfleet Operations, 50pp for Shipyard Ops, 55pp for Ship Design Bureau, 45pp for Starfleet Tactical (This may create subordinate Vice Admiral positions)
NEW Sponsor efforts to create additional Critical Ship Infrastructure on another world, 60pp (Pick world)
NEW Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 1 month/year in that system, 125pp (pick world)
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Federation Grading:
Current Minimum Science = 100 [Now 157]
Current Maximum Combat = 350 [Now 189]
(Maximum Combat is a Soft cap, will gain +1 Militarisation per 10 pts over - Each point of Threat Level adds 10 to Max Combat)
Minimum Concurrent 5 Year Missions = 4
Current Militarisation Level = 0
Current Federation Threat Level = 10
Council Objectives:
200 Science by 2321
250 Defence by 2321
Starfleet Ambitions:
Have Ambassador prototype into production by 2321
Federation Council:
President - Jorlyth sh'Arrath, Expansionist Faction
[Next Elections - (2314) Amarkia, Council President, (2315) Rigel]
[Incoming Indorians believed to favour Development faction]
[Incoming Apiata splitting between Expansionist, Hawkish, Development factions]
(Species listed in brackets are principal backers, not exclusive membership)
Current Federation Full Members:
Humans
Vulcans
Andorians
Tellarites
Amarki
Betazoids
Caitians
Rigellians
(You may select any number of options, as long as you can pay the Political Will cost. You currently have sixty-three (63) Political Will to spend, as 15 of your 78 are sequestered by the Pacifists.
We should have 98pp, 15pp of that reserved for Pacifists.
Request Refit Program for Constellation Cruiser class [+1 C,S,H,L,D, for 40br, 30sr, 1.5 Year (6 turns)], 6 turns 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/55)
Request Refit Program for Constellation Escort class [+1 S, P, D, for 2br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 4 turns, 18pp (NB: Constellation reclassified as Escort, new cost 70/50)
Request Refit Program for Excelsior class [+1 C, S, L, P for 50br, 30sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns, 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Excelsior will be 230/160)
Year and half is a long time to have the ships out of circulation, tbh I'm rather tempted with that cost to just replace them with Rennies and give the old hulls over to our member world fleets.
Rennie costs 100/80 vs 40/30. Eats one more unit of crew across the board. So refitting the Constel is slightly cheaper but you end up with a less effective vessel and the constellations are going to be out of service for six turns whilst you upgrade them for essentially 1/3rd of the cost of building a new vessel.
If we just build Rennies to replace them and throw the old constellation hulls over to the member worlds we'll have a more capable fleet, we could take the refit project anyway though so that the member worlds could do the refits on the older a vessels but we only have seven of them.
Year and half is a long time to have the ships out of circulation, tbh I'm rather tempted with that cost to just replace them with Rennies and give the old hulls over to our member world fleets.
Shouldn't this be 350 now? Well, technically 330 now since we currently have 8 full members. But with Apiata and Indorian ratification next quarter, it'll be 350.
Request Start of Heavy Explorer project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 34pp
Can we get a stat/cost line guarantee where we're guaranteed at least a given stat line for a given cost (so can increase stats or reduce cost from here) at 3mt?
Like, are we at least guaranteed to meet or beat the old canon stat line? Ambassador 2325-Now [524m, 3.1m t]
Request Refit Program for Constellation Escort class [+1 S, P, D, for 2br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 4 turns, 18pp (NB: Constellation reclassified as Escort, new cost 70/50)
Okay, this won't matter much since I doubt we're building any more Constellations, but would the Constellation Escort build time be reduced to 2 years?
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Modern Explorers and Syndicate Amendment
-[X] Request Start of Heavy Explorer project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 34pp
-[X] Request Refit Program for Excelsior class [+1 C, S, L, P for 50br, 30sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns, 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Excelsior will be 230/160)
-[X] Amend the Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 30pp (Present options for changing your anti-Syndicate legislation - you have 5 Influence available)
34+18+30 = 82
The earlier we get the Excelsior refit the earlier we can switch our builds over from the vanilla version. We have been planning for requesting the Ambassador for years, we need the rp influx this year, and in all versions of the sheet in contention something with 5 hull and otherwise all or mostly 8s is possible, so satisfactory stats should be within reach no matter which one is chosen.
Buying more influence on Syndicate legislation doesn't make much sense with the current state of affairs, and using the 5 points we have now should hopefully allow grinding them down a bit faster. The alternative is letting the 20 pp spent last year go to waste and be satisfied with the current rate.
Request Refit Program for Excelsior class [+1 C, S, L, P for 50br, 30sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns, 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Excelsior will be 230/160)
Request new Starbase I [GBZ] 15pp for home sectors or CBZ , 25pp for KBZ, +12pp for each Starbase past the first in-sector
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Gretarians]
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Yan-Ros]
Considering the Development faction keep hitting us about our logistics issues would it be worth doing a deal with them for assistance building/expanding dedicated auxiliary yards?
Year and half is a long time to have the ships out of circulation, tbh I'm rather tempted with that cost to just replace them with Rennies and give the old hulls over to our member world fleets.
Rennie costs 100/80 vs 40/30. Eats one more unit of crew across the board. So refitting the Constel is slightly cheaper but you end up with a less effective vessel and the constellations are going to be out of service for six turns whilst you upgrade them for essentially 1/3rd of the cost of building a new vessel.
If we just build Rennies to replace them and throw the old constellation hulls over to the member worlds we'll have a more capable fleet, we could take the refit project anyway though so that the member worlds could do the refits on the older a vessels but we only have seven of them.
I thought it was worth it at that speculative refit, but the shift of 1 P to 1 H does change matters. Instead of being a light cruiser more optimized for garrisoning, it's now competing more directly with the Renaissance.
My simplistic comparison:
ΔCP*
ΔEP*
ΔC
ΔS
ΔH
ΔL
ΔP
ΔD
Δbr
Δsr
build qtrs
ΔO
ΔE
ΔT
3 Constellation => 3 Constellation-A (old)
12
27
3
3
3
-60
-30
12
3 Constellation => 3 Constellation-A Escort
39
3
3
3
-6
-30
12
3 Constellation => 3 Constellation-A Cruiser
39
27
3
3
3
3
3
-120
-90
18
3 Constellation => 2 Constitution-B
27
15
1
2
1
-95
-100
18
4
-2
3 Constellation => 2 Renaissance
47
25
1
2
4
2
1
-95
-100
18
2
CP = "combat potential" = (C+H+L)^1.5
EP = "event potential" = (S+P+D)^1.5
Yes, it's overly simplistic, but it's still better than directly comparing the stats.
Not including the 3 Constellation => 3/4/5 Centaur-A comparisons because they're really difficult to compare with the very different resource and crew costs.
In any case, the Excelsior-A refit is a higher priority than the Constellation-A refits, and we don't really have the spare pp for the latter.
Since Development is unhappy with us, could we make some sort of deal with them along the lines of "eat the political cost of a new auxillary shipyard for us now, and we promise to start building that Heavy Industrial Park within the next two years?"
(You can approach any faction to try to make a deal on a topic)
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Expansionists
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Developers
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Hawks
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Mercantilists
