KlavoHunter
THOU SHALT WORSHIP NO GODS ABOVE ENTERPRISE!
We've been told to expect a war in the next 5 years. I'll support anyone who's up for making some shiny new Miranda-As to smash down the Cardassians' throats.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
- Start date
- Sci-Fi
-
- Tags
- star trek exploration fully automated luxury gay space communism top level canon (canon) #hashtagcontent all-encompassing space amoeba cardassian boy bands cardassian magical girls darkest bureaucracy debate makes the qm cackle like palpatine hoh is an empire quest it has to be foreign infiltrators more ships ship happens singers delenda est starfleet this is not an empire quest ur waifu is collective?
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
I'm not opposed to a combat focused escort, but I don't want to design one right now. The Miranda and Centaur are acceptable in their role for the moment, in my opinion. I'd like to wait and improve our tech, rather than rush out a half-baked project for this war.
- Location
- USA
It is something to consider though I prefer Centaur-A over Miranda-A. 2315 is going to be a pain since 4 Excelsiors finish then
Centaur is more generalist tho
Like if you sell your general escort as being "Centaur but better" I bet most of the thread would be a-okay with that.
In any case I don't think we should get cocky about this war, especially since the Klingons and the Romulans are pretty known but still somewhat unpredictable. Maximum weight of firepower is good for ending this with minimal losses, and having more ships pads against losses in general. After the war (or if it never actually goes down) we can have the 'Wartime' Mirandas shadow the Hospital Rennies if it's really a problem. Or throw them at the Syndicate. Or stuff them in the KBZ/RBZ
- Location
- the Moon
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I had tattletale fall in love with a Betazoid in the worm/ST/ sea queens cross on SB... b/c super sherlock vs. Telepathy = mutual migraine
So what's the vote tally for Research looking like?
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
- Location
- Laniakea Supercluster
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1015 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.5
[X] Generic Team 3 : Hospital Ship Research Project
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Daystorm Institute : 2330s Colony Cores
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Starfleet Science Academy : 2310s Message Networking
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Generic Team 6: Hospital Ship Design
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Starfleet Science Academy: 2320s Federation Datanet
No. of Votes: 1
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: BOOST
[X] [BOOST] Office of Naval Architecture, Admiral Lathriss
No. of Votes: 11
[X] [BOOST] Office of Naval Architecture, Federation Broadcast Service
No. of Votes: 8
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: VSA
[X] [VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Targeting Sensors
No. of Votes: 13
[X] [VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Geological Sensors
No. of Votes: 6
Total No. of Voters: 21
##### NetTally 1.7.5
[X] Generic Team 3 : Hospital Ship Research Project
No. of Votes: 20
No. of Votes: 20
No. of Votes: 20
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Starfleet Science Academy: 2320s Federation Datanet
No. of Votes: 1
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: BOOST
[X] [BOOST] Office of Naval Architecture, Admiral Lathriss
No. of Votes: 11
No. of Votes: 8
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: VSA
[X] [VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Targeting Sensors
No. of Votes: 13
No. of Votes: 6
Total No. of Voters: 21
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[pedant]That's a modified version of the IDIC insignia used by Vulcans. "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations".[/pedant]
Cough Defiant Class cough Akira Class cough Saber Class cough. To name three.
- Location
- USA
Few problems with building Miranda-A vs refits, they take more resources, take crew and leave our Miranda low on shield and hull (refit adds one of each so 5 vs 3 total hits). I will need to see our situation at 2313 before I can say either way.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
We should probably give Spock some additional resources, both personnel and otherwise. That might pacify the Pacifist faction on the Council.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
I don't think it works like that. Plus the Pacifists aren't all that upset right now anyways.
If anything, there was a mention that the Hawks think we should be building more escorts.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'd honestly rather refit the Mirandas we have into something that can take hits. Losing those means taking large crew pool hits, and they are vastly more vulnerable.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
All the factions are upset about something, but not to the degree it will hinder us doing our job. Except the Mercantilists, who are still sashaying around the Council Chambers showing off their fancy capes.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That's called a Miranda-A. Cross class refitting is not a thing.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
- Pronouns
- He/Him
... Yes, I'm aware. My point was, I wanted Miranda -> Miranda-A more than I wanted more As or Centaurs.
- Location
- Patriarchova
I say refit as many mirandas as we can spare to not have in active garrison right now, and build more of them. Centuar-A's can wait until after the war.
Hopefully the Miranda-B will be good enough to make all these ships a good longterm investment as well.
EDIT: actually, given Oneiros' new ship role system, the centaur-A might stop being worth it altogether. If we have a choice of which ships respond to which events, and we have enough cruisers and excelsiors for each sector, why bother with a generalist escort? Presence/Science missions can go to the sector's cruisers, leaving the escorts free to respond to piracy and other police and light combat events.
In this case, the Miranda is the only escort we'll need, with the Centaur's role becoming redundant once we have enough conniebees and rennies.
Hopefully the Miranda-B will be good enough to make all these ships a good longterm investment as well.
EDIT: actually, given Oneiros' new ship role system, the centaur-A might stop being worth it altogether. If we have a choice of which ships respond to which events, and we have enough cruisers and excelsiors for each sector, why bother with a generalist escort? Presence/Science missions can go to the sector's cruisers, leaving the escorts free to respond to piracy and other police and light combat events.
In this case, the Miranda is the only escort we'll need, with the Centaur's role becoming redundant once we have enough conniebees and rennies.
Last edited:
The Centaur is an expensive piece of shit.
That's my official opinion and it's the opinion I've had on it forever.
I can probably build you a Centaur-A with 1/1/1 crew for the price of a Miranda. That's the highest praise you'll see from me for that design philosophy.
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
Well considering that in Canon the Fed was building and refitting the damn things all the way past the Domion war I would like to think it is a safe bet.
- Location
- Patriarchova
There's no guarantee that this quest will abide to that, though. Especially if our ship designs start to diverge from canon overall.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Well it's admittedly not a great example, especially in light of Oneiros saying that distress calls require response regardless, but replace "piracy" with "diplomacy".
The ideal ROE for a science ship would be to take point on science events, and avoid risky combat and diplomacy situations unless they're backing up another ship (like an Excelsior). Hopefully that'll be possible.
I really like it, but that should've been obvious from the SDB discussion
The different ROE stuff is awesome, and alleviates some of the pressure to keep D low for our smaller ships.
However, I'd suggest using clearly different names between ship weight/size class and ship role, perhaps even renaming things. Something like:
Weight class (mutually exclusive):
- escort
- cruiser
- heavy cruiser? (something that's not "explorer" since that's a role below)
Role (potentially not mutually exclusive):
- science ship (high S)
- diplomacy ship (high P)
-
- command ship (whatever distinguishes a Constellation vs a Centaur-A that allowed the Kearsage to be the ASTF "flagship", perhaps an officer+enlisted crew minimum?)
- explorer (pretty much all the above with higher D requirements, can include both large ones like Excelsior and small ones like Intrepid)
Doctrines and other mechanics outside of ship design would operate on roles rather than weight class, leaving weight class to be more of an internal ship design detail.
I'm tentatively in favor of this.
It's ideal for a war that takes place 2 to ~5 years from now.
Not as ideal for a war (beyond the skirmish stage) that starts next year, but I figure that's unlikely.
Any Mirandas that have their refit delayed due to this can stay in the back lines if the conflict is still low level. And if it's not, 3 new Miranda-A + 6 old Miranda is still better than 6 Miranda-A, likely even lower casualties due to weight of numbers.
It's not as ideal for post-war duties, but that's a price I'm willing to pay for less losses.
It delays Renaissance or other larger ship construction to make room for Miranda-A refits, but that actually somewhat counter-intuitively saves us crew a bit. This relies in the fact that Miranda(-A)s are cheap in crew, and that we're still going to do those Miranda-A refits within half a decade, forcing delays in more crew-intensive ship building.
Last edited:
...do I have to give an opinion?
Look, you guys know I love me some escorts. Nobody ever went to war with enough escorts. You do not purchase bespoke escorts in lots of one or two. You get them in bulk. I wanted more 1Mt slots at our yards for the purposes of speeding up refits and giving us more repair facilities. But I also wanted them so we could build an Actual Miranda Assembly Line.
Look, you guys know I love me some escorts. Nobody ever went to war with enough escorts. You do not purchase bespoke escorts in lots of one or two. You get them in bulk. I wanted more 1Mt slots at our yards for the purposes of speeding up refits and giving us more repair facilities. But I also wanted them so we could build an Actual Miranda Assembly Line.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Oh, research vote:
[X] Plan Steady Goings
-[X] Generic Team 3 : Hospital Ship Research Project
-[X] Daystorm Institute : 2330s Colony Cores
-[X] Starfleet Science Academy : 2310s Message Networking
[X] [BOOST] Office of Naval Architecture, Federation Broadcast Service
[X] [VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Targeting Sensors
Slightly favor the FBS 2310s Communication completion to get that immediate 2% combat bonus over the forward defense doctrine that may not even provide fruit in time for a war in the next couple years anyway.
[X] Plan Steady Goings
-[X] Generic Team 3 : Hospital Ship Research Project
-[X] Daystorm Institute : 2330s Colony Cores
-[X] Starfleet Science Academy : 2310s Message Networking
[X] [BOOST] Office of Naval Architecture, Federation Broadcast Service
[X] [VSA] Vulcan Science Academy : 2320s Targeting Sensors
Slightly favor the FBS 2310s Communication completion to get that immediate 2% combat bonus over the forward defense doctrine that may not even provide fruit in time for a war in the next couple years anyway.
We have 10 Mirandas, 2 of which are in refit right now. I'd say that with war coming up, we don't want more than 3 in refit at any one time so that the others are free to be called up in an emergency*. I'm proposing to build 3 new Miranda-As, so we'd have 13 Miranda-As total after all refits are complete.
*A baseline Miranda isn't great to have in a fight... but it's considerably better than a ship that's half-disassembled for a refit and can't fight at all.
Well, yes and no. Remember that a certain amount of Events are "unplanned" which means that you just have to roll with whatever ship got caught up in it. Distress calls are the big one, but you never know what space might throw at you.
I'd like to get a 3mt berth at either Ana Font or Lor'vela OCF. That would give us flexibility to do parallel construction with either 2 Excelsiors or 2 smaller ships as we see fit.
Chen's bonus definitely changes the calculus on expanding one or more of our existing shipyards rather than building a new one. At least for the moment.