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I checked.
Specifically: "Indigenous Canadians can obtain United States permanent residency (a "Green Card") immediately upon entry to the U.S. if they can demonstrate that they have at least 50% of what the Americans call "American Indian blood." This allows these Indigenous Canadians, known in U.S. law as "American Indians born in Canada," to bypass other U.S. immigration laws."
So, Hunts can live and work in the US IF he can prove he has at least 50% American Indian blood. May have a problem with that both on his and on the American Indian side. Not sure they would want it to be proven true. (Also pretty sure that stomach contents don't let you qualify.)
Kryslin
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That little bit of information from Miss Militia means Dragon found -something- that proves that Hunts was born on Canadian Soil, and that his parents were there prior to the founding of the country. That would mean that she found 1) Shells or 2) Hunts sire's lair, or even more surprisingly, the body of Hunts' sire, deep in the Arctic Ocean...
Just before her underwater probe got eaten. But she doesn't talk about that, or about the follow up e-mail stating her underwater ROVs "taste kinda bad."
(That's one of my favorite TV omakes, and is in no way canonical to this story BTW. I could think of several critters that could 'kill' an ROV that live in the deep water that aren't Umihebi from Taylor Varga).
Just before her underwater probe got eaten. But she doesn't talk about that, or about the follow up e-mail stating her underwater ROVs "taste kinda bad."
(That's one of my favorite TV omakes, and is in no way canonical to this story BTW. I could think of several critters that could 'kill' an ROV that live in the deep water that aren't Umihebi from Taylor Varga).
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You could probably throw in some sort of sea-dragon. I forget my dragonlore (I loved the <color> Dragon Codex books, and those had a nice listing on dragons being friendly, even if they were chromatic. I also read other ones too, but I remember those most. Shame they were canceled.), but I think there was some color that liked water.That little bit of information from Miss Militia means Dragon found -something- that proves that Hunts was born on Canadian Soil, and that his parents were there prior to the founding of the country. That would mean that she found 1) Shells or 2) Hunts sire's lair, or even more surprisingly, the body of Hunts' sire, deep in the Arctic Ocean...
Just before her underwater probe got eaten. But she doesn't talk about that, or about the follow up e-mail stating her underwater ROVs "taste kinda bad."
(That's one of my favorite TV omakes, and is in no way canonical to this story BTW. I could think of several critters that could 'kill' an ROV that live in the deep water that aren't Umihebi from Taylor Varga).
I mean, if they have prehistoric dragons roaming around and suddenly revealing themselves, why not one that found the titanium fish nicely tangy?
To paraphrase Lung: He is a dragon. He is now American Indian.
A minor character in Eric Flint's Pyramid series is a sphinx who travels with the heroes back to modern Earth. Since she's not human and one of the last of her kind even the mythological world she end up falling under the protection of the Department of Fish & Wildlife as an endangered species.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hunts-The-Ice qualifies for the Canadian version of that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hunts-The-Ice qualifies for the Canadian version of that.
Kryslin
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Which is the Canadian Wildlife Service.
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"Snarl Grrr Hiss Grumble Rrrr >spit<." Hunts-The-Ice said, glaring at the CWS officer holding a radio tracking collar.
"What did he say?" the CWS officer asked Dragon.
"No way in the Nine Hells I am wearing THAT," Dragon replied, silently thanking Naurelin, Tia, Kurya and Naichi for the language lessons. "The last, by the way, was a very strong expletive that doesn't translate well to English, and I'm not sure I even want to try."
Hunts had a smug smirk on his muzzle; he may have promised his queen he'd behave, but she never said he had to be nice about it.
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"Snarl Grrr Hiss Grumble Rrrr >spit<." Hunts-The-Ice said, glaring at the CWS officer holding a radio tracking collar.
"What did he say?" the CWS officer asked Dragon.
"No way in the Nine Hells I am wearing THAT," Dragon replied, silently thanking Naurelin, Tia, Kurya and Naichi for the language lessons. "The last, by the way, was a very strong expletive that doesn't translate well to English, and I'm not sure I even want to try."
Hunts had a smug smirk on his muzzle; he may have promised his queen he'd behave, but she never said he had to be nice about it.
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A Dragon Turtle perhaps?
Lycanthromancer
The Arcane Fuzz
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Named Puff? He's a MAGIC dragon who lives by the sea.
Kryslin
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Who is somehow mounting 3 turrets, each containing 1 x 7.62mm minigun and 3m20s of ammo (6,667 rounds), plus flares.
He surfaces, fires a flare, tears apart pirates and other raiders who would deprive him of his rightful prey, and then submerges...
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Why not have the Sea-Turtle-Dragon be Schturdark from the Wild ARMs games? Schturdark is a massive turtle, has hydrokinesis on par (if not SUPERIOR) to Leviathan, but actually represents a natural element of Nature itself.
Lycanthromancer
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He's the dragon version of Asura.
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There are several "Sea Dragons" though of the "Main Ten" it would be Bronze Dragons.
There also exist 1E Aquatic Dragons Lawful Evil wingless Dragon. Has a Breath Weapon that is a "cloud of chemicals" which deals Lightning Damage. Can't breathe Air only Water. Since this was Early DnD and Sorcerers were not a thing yet despite High Intelligence not many could learn Wizard Spells due to the difficulties of storing Spellbooks underwater, so they liked collecting Magic Items to use.
Like the other two "Wingless Dragons" the Sand and Rock Dragon introduced in the same Dragon Magazine Issue (#134) they never really "took off" while Ichtyodrakes, Astral Dragons, Were Dragons (later renamed Song Dragons in the Forgotten Realms) and Fang Dragons were featured in later stuff.
But it's Dragonlance that takes the cake for Sea Dwelling Dragons.
First up are Sea Dragons. Essentially True Dragon versions of Dragon Turtles they have longer limbs with webbing in between their claws, long snakelike necks and a tail nearly as long as their neck with a large fin at the back. Like Dragon Turtles they have a Steam based Breath Weapons.
When a Sea Dragon mates with a Chromatic you get an Amphi Dragon. Basically fully amphibious Giant Dragon Toads with wings they are incredibly ugly, and not only have a line of acid as a Breath Weapon, but are covered in warts that ooze Acid when popped.
Then we have the Brine Dragon, who are Black Dragons that have adapted to a fully Aquatic Lifestyle. They have lost their horns and their bodies now resemble a Plesiosaur, trading arms and legs for fins. As their name indicates they have a Salt/Alkaline Breath Weapon that burns like Acid rather then a line of Acid like most Black Dragons. Notably there is a more "pretty" looking Sub Species of Alkali Based Black Dragons native to Krynn as well, lacking the "Skull Face" so associated with more traditional Black Dragons.
Like the Chromatics who they are "related to" the above are all Evil.
But there is another Sea Based Dragon on Krynn more closely related to Metallics. The Aquatic Dragons (II) are basically Dragons combined with Seas Horses with much longer serpentine tails and a set of arms but no legs. The Males even carry the Eggs in a "pouch" after the female lays them. Their Breath Weapon is Unique in that it varies by the environment. Out of Water it is a cloud of chilling vapor, but In Water it is cone of cold strength sapping black ink.
................Yeah as much as I love Dragonlance it got really weird at times and it seems the Writers went out of their way to make all kinds of "Special Snowflakes.
Now there is also a third kind of Aquatic Dragon introduced in the Dangerous Denizens 3.5E Book that has a Sonic Based Breath Weapon.
Even with these three different versions it is nowhere near as bad as the confusion around the different versions of the Purple, Orange, Brown and Yellow Dragons.
For those who don't know the Purples have 3 since they have been merged with Deep Dragons (1st Version had Force/Energy Damage Breath Weapon, then Deep Dragons were changed from Acidic Vapor in most editions to Psychic Damage in 4th), the Yellow also has 3 ( 1st V Breath based on Cloud Kill and Cause Disease, 2nd V Line of Salt Crystals, and lastly Superheated Air and Sand) as does Brown (1st Version has two Breath Weapons, Faerie Fire or Lightning Bolt, 2nd V has Acid, 3rd V has Scouring Sand) and Orange only has two (1st V has a Cone of Color Spray Breath Weapon, Second a Sodium Based Slimy Mucus that explodes into Fucking Napalm).
So even in the Same Edition (1st and 2nd Versions of Yellow and Orange Dragons are both 1E) the "Extra Chromatics" are not agreed upon while at the least it seems the three Aquatic Dragons were different Editions (1E, 3E and 3.5E).
In short as to be expected there are a lot of Dragons in DnD, and when some get left to the wayside when they get brought back they might not even resemble the Original Version.
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Oddly, as I remember it, in past editions Dragon Turtles weren't actually dragons, that was just their name. But having checked just now they are listed as dragons in both D&D and Pathfinder.
Is that a 3rd Edition change or am I mis-remembering?
Harry Leferts
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I'd have to pull it out, but in the "Slayer's Guide to Dragons" there was a Sea Dragon listed...
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Not going to lie, imo the best versions of dragons for D&D is the much maligned 4e. Why?
Because they ALL have interesting abilities.
Some have auras that damage with their element. Some have spell like abilities. Some have interesting ways to use their elemental affinity as bonus/minor actions AND reactions.
Not to mention they get their breath back when dropped to half hp, and immediately use it out of turn sequence.
EDIT: 4e and 2e arguably have the best monster designs. And 4e is imo the best.
Seriously, dragons in 4e are awesome. Even at low levels they are more than bags of hp with an overpowered breath weapon.
EDIT2: as an example, Gold dragons would gain a reaction (to an attack) that hits an enemy with a wing they channel their fire affinity through. It damages the enemy, moves them away, and sets them on fire. For having the audacity to attack the dragon.
Or she would have the ability create a burning tomb (as metal as it sounds). It would capture and burn a single target, and it radiates so much heat that everyone within 15 feet takes damage by coming near it. And she can keep that up on 1 target at a time indefinitely.
Even without adding spellcasting (doable via 'templates' in 4e), dragons are able to easily take on 3-6 PC's at a time and win.
Because they ALL have interesting abilities.
Some have auras that damage with their element. Some have spell like abilities. Some have interesting ways to use their elemental affinity as bonus/minor actions AND reactions.
Not to mention they get their breath back when dropped to half hp, and immediately use it out of turn sequence.
EDIT: 4e and 2e arguably have the best monster designs. And 4e is imo the best.
Seriously, dragons in 4e are awesome. Even at low levels they are more than bags of hp with an overpowered breath weapon.
EDIT2: as an example, Gold dragons would gain a reaction (to an attack) that hits an enemy with a wing they channel their fire affinity through. It damages the enemy, moves them away, and sets them on fire. For having the audacity to attack the dragon.
Or she would have the ability create a burning tomb (as metal as it sounds). It would capture and burn a single target, and it radiates so much heat that everyone within 15 feet takes damage by coming near it. And she can keep that up on 1 target at a time indefinitely.
Even without adding spellcasting (doable via 'templates' in 4e), dragons are able to easily take on 3-6 PC's at a time and win.
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Kryslin
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>sigh<
I was referring to "Puff" which was the call sign of the AC-47 gunships used in Vietnam. They mounted 3 x 7.62mm Miniguns of various models out the port side (left for all you landlubbers, arrr), so they could take advantage of the fact that left turns on propeller driven aircraft are tighter than right turns - the pylon turn. They also carried 24K rounds of ammo between all three guns, and 48 magnesium flares. They could deliver sustained fire for 4 minutes, and place a bullet in nearl every square foot in a US football field.
Needless to say, the VC and NVA hated them.
AC-47s are still being used in Central America to this day, though they are using good ol' Browning M2 machine guns instead of the ammo sucking miniguns...
I was referring to "Puff" which was the call sign of the AC-47 gunships used in Vietnam. They mounted 3 x 7.62mm Miniguns of various models out the port side (left for all you landlubbers, arrr), so they could take advantage of the fact that left turns on propeller driven aircraft are tighter than right turns - the pylon turn. They also carried 24K rounds of ammo between all three guns, and 48 magnesium flares. They could deliver sustained fire for 4 minutes, and place a bullet in nearl every square foot in a US football field.
Needless to say, the VC and NVA hated them.
AC-47s are still being used in Central America to this day, though they are using good ol' Browning M2 machine guns instead of the ammo sucking miniguns...
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I guess that is an accurate description of Nascar.
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I guess that is an accurate description of Nascar.
Itsune
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It should be noted that the M2's used in that configuration are known for Jams, and misfires.
I blame the use of Shoddy Chinese knockoffs of the M2 and Cheap ammo.
Uh, say again?
That depends completely upon design choices, direction of rotation of propeller and engine shaft as well as any additions to the aircraft to mitigate the effects of the rotary forces from those.
And it's not the turn rate that is altered, but the roll rate. As a steep turn uses the lift of the wings(and the effect of the elevator rolled sideways etc) to increase the turn rate, this only indirectly results in an increased turn rate.
Pylon turn can be done in either direction and has nothing to do with aircraft design or whether it's a prop or jet aircraft.
"A pylon turn is a flight maneuver in which an aircraft banks into a circular turn, in such a way that an imaginary line projecting straight out the side of the aircraft (nominally the wing) points to a fixed point on the ground. The maneuver originated early in the 20th century in air racing. "
What Chinese knockoffs would that be? Considering that they mostly copied or borrowed from Soviet and later Russian HMGs.
I'm afraid the M2's flaws are 100% "Made in USA". If you don't want to believe that, consider that the M60 is a US "copy" of the German MG-42 and exactly what that says about US design abilities in regards to MGs.
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We know. It gets brought up every time the word "puff" is mentioned.
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Ignoring the bit about the M2 (which I will merely state is a discussion I don't feel comfortable in my knowledge of the M2 Browning to make, although I will note that shoddy ammunition will make any gun function poorly, regardless of design quality), I will note that while the M60's action was derived, to some extent, from the MG42, it was specifically not intended to be a copy of the MG42 in terms of function. The MG42's rate of fire derives from the fact that it, and it's MG34 predecessor, were both intended to be "universal" machine guns, in that one MG design could be used for every purpose, including that of a fighter armament. The use as the main armament of a fighter aircraft necessitated an extremely high rate of fire, thus both increasing it's mechanical complexity, as well as drastically increasing it's rate of ammunition consumption.
The M60, on the other hand, was specifically designed as a 7.62mm machine gun for use both as a squad automatic weapon, and as a vehicle mounted MG. Thus, it was intentionally designed with a slower firing rate, to reduce the rate of ammunition consumption, and make it more accurate and controllable under full auto fire. While it did get mounted to helicopters, it was soon replaced with a more optimized for purpose weapon system (the M134), as it's rate of fire, while sufficient for suppressive fire on the ground when mounted to vehicles or carried by the infantry, was insufficient for use on aircraft.
The M60's reliability issues ultimately boil down purely to insufficient ability to resist intrusion of mud and debris into the firing mechanism (a fault that plagued many of the US's guns in Vietnam, not just the M60) and the individual parts having a sub-optimal mean time between failures, which can be chalked up more to having insufficiently beefed up the German design, which masked most of it's reliability issues behind a veil of being "cool" by virtue of it's highly gratuitous firing rate of 1,200+ rounds per minute - a rate that caused it to chew through ammunition at a preposterous rate, and to wear out barrels so fast you needed to have spares on hand - and even then, you also had to change them every 250 rounds, because otherwise the MG42's firing rate would cause them to start wearing out the rifling due to heating and friction.