Leechblade
Orientation Nitpicking
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Scaling Up
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Lycanthromancer
The Arcane Fuzz
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Mention was made that Taylor already made her sacrifice to bring Amy back. Probably burned some experience points, or maybe something else valuable that was on her.
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- She, her
Taylors' spells are actually Spell-Like abilities and are not subject to material components until the cost goes above something like 5k gp.
TaliesinSkye
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I just had an interesting thought. I wonder if Dragon's restrictions and backdoor could be interpreted by healing magic as a disease or curse that's curable.
Dinah is no more able to predict Scion or Endbringers than Cauldron is (note that Khepri was created by direct Simurgh intervention). I would still say Dinah was evil for the same reasons as Cauldron is--utilitarianism is not evil, but arrogantly thinking you know better when you really don't and thus hurting people is.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
Dinah at least has the excuse of being a child, who IIRC made that decision without consulting an adult. Dr. Mother was an adult already when she and Fortuna killed the [THINKER], and didn't stop being an adult when she made her later decisions.
TaliesinSkye
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Dinah's power had ways of working around the usual restrictions. She could see that the world ended and when, even though she couldn't ask questions about Zion directly, for example. Or see the chances of Brockton Bay being flooded even though she couldn't see Leviathan.
As for Skidmark and the Merchants, they weren't specificly trying to kill (or even hurt) Amy, Skidmark's orders were to kill Hunts-the-ice and anyone helping him, they just started shooting before they realized who they were shooting at,that's why they surrendered so quick when they realized they'd done fucked up.
As for the component, even if Taylor needed a diamond, she may well be able to summon one from her hoard.
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As for the component, even if Taylor needed a diamond, she may well be able to summon one from her hoard.
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bobnik
Memetic Warfare Specialist.
Probably some kind of geas.
Well, one of them. To my knowledge there are three: Cauldron's, the one belonging to Cerberus (hide your taco carts kids), and the one that appears when you get a bunch of Sidereals in the same place.
Canon says that she can't get paid because she is underage (although this doesn't seem to bother Dinah):
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No she hasn't. She's never been to an Endbringer fight. Amy at Endbringer fights (outside of Brockton Bay) is fanon.
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Itsune
Eldritch horror, Ship's Cat, Emergency Gunner.
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I'd check to see if there are any Odd skin markings showing up every time Panacea heals some one.
Amy may not be a dragon, but she is effectively Dragon Marked, which can be a wholly different kettle of fish. Especially as there were two Dragons involved.
Nobody in The Wyrm!Multiverse will touch that name with even an Eleven Foot Pole (Tm)*.
* Eleven Foot Pole, For things You wouldn't touch with a Ten Foot Pole. Because some people are Just that stupid.
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And this is Fanfiction. If the author of this fanfic wants Amy to have been to previous Endbringer Fights, then she has been to other Endbringer fights.
Current Author decisions trump original cannon Every. Damn. Time.
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MangoFlan
Cold... I feel cold...
Where in the world did this come from? I was just reading pages of discussing Taylor's powers and Amy's gifts.
TaliesinSkye
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I could see a counter argument about them doing the best they can with limited information, knowing they're playing long odds for the highest stakes imaginable. The horrors they commit in the name of preserving human existence are horrors, but they do have a cogent train of thought behind all their decisions.
If anything I might put them down as the ultimate example of a road to hell being paved with good intentions. Or the way good people in desperate circumstances can do horrible things because they feel they have no choice.
My favorite real world example of that is from WW2. It's quite the story, for anyone who hasn't heard it. Churchill was informed, as a result of Enigma decrypts, that the Luftwaffe was planning a major bombing raid on densely populated Coventry. Coventry only had light fighter cover insufficient to fend off the major attack of more than 500 German bombers that was planned.
Churchill had to make a choice. If he moved fighters to protect Coventry ahead of the attack he might tip off German spies that the British knew, and from there it wouldn't be hard for them to figure out that their encrypted messages were being read. If they changed to a new system the British wouldn't be able to read the Nazi's mail again for who knew how long, and the Enigma decrypts had already proven critically useful. It was possible keeping the fact that Enigma had been broken a secret would decide the war.
Churchill decided to let Coventry be bombed. More than 500 people were killed, more than 800 badly injured. Two thirds of the city's buildings were damaged or destroyed.
Was it the right decision? The Enigma decrypts did indeed turn out to be critically important for the remainder of the war. Some historians think they may have made the difference, or at least shortened the war and ultimate loss of life considerably. On the other hand, perhaps if Churchill had made the decision to move assets the fears of the Nazis noticing would have turned out to be baseless, and lives could have been saved.
Weighing the value of lives against existential risk is a terribly difficult thing. I imagine it must have weighed heavily on Churchill.
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Lycanthromancer
The Arcane Fuzz
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- USA
And we all know what a font of stability, wisdom, and common sense that Wildbow is, don't we?
Children are most definitely capable of being paid for services rendered. Otherwise, that's called child slavery.
BOOM! Headshot!
Because it's headcannon.
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- In My Parlour like a Good Arachne
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- She, her
I feel like I have to say this: Hello Merchants EVERYONE else wants to have a Talk with you. Also know where we can grab enough garbage bags to make a watery grave of Merchant's?
Kryslin
[Has Delusions of Authorship]
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@TaliesinSkye Not disagreeing with you. However, they did show some poor judgement in trying to use the enemies tools against them, and not ask the right questions to re-evaluate the course they were taking.
I remember an interview with one Col. Tibbets, one of two men to drop an atomic weapon on a civilian population. Did he regret what he had done? His answer was No. He firmly believed that what he had done had not only saved American lives, but also millions of Japanese lives in proving that fact that the US could erase Japan, one city at a time. Was it horrific? Yes. Was it the right thing to do? At the time, based on the information they had? Arguably, Yes.
I remember an interview with one Col. Tibbets, one of two men to drop an atomic weapon on a civilian population. Did he regret what he had done? His answer was No. He firmly believed that what he had done had not only saved American lives, but also millions of Japanese lives in proving that fact that the US could erase Japan, one city at a time. Was it horrific? Yes. Was it the right thing to do? At the time, based on the information they had? Arguably, Yes.
Lycanthromancer
The Arcane Fuzz
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- USA
Hmm. Weren't Marquis's gang called the Marchant? And they were then replaced with the Merchants? Or is that just clever fanon?
Leechblade
Orientation Nitpicking
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They are called the March. And most of them got busted or left town.
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Clever Fanon I believe. Marquis' group IIRC were called the Marche.
Edit: Imp'd
Replaced would imply that the Merchants actually controlled territory and were major players. All the fucks got going for them is starting with the sole tinker on the villain side until Bakuda gets recruited and having a frankly absurd number of parahumans in general for what they are.
TaliesinSkye
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Did they have any alternatives to using powers to fight Zion? The only thing I can think of that might have a shot is an unbound Dragon who went full singularity, but it might be impossible to hide that from him long enough for her to ramp up into a real threat.
I can see your point about them possibly having sunk cost fallacy issues, though, not re-evaluating as actively as they could have.
Forcing a child to work for free is child slavery. A child volunteering to work for free is not child slavery, even if working for pay would be illegal.