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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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3 actions on rune metal 1b should complete it I think, with Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth. That leaves 2 more actions, not sure where to put them
 
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A Dwarf never forgets, every Grudge is recorded, but so too is every debt remembered and keenly felt. Enough that many a Dwarf will seek to repay any kindness done to them as soon as possible, if only to relieve that feeling in the back of their minds, to settle the debt owed. To the Dwarfs of Kraka Drakk that weight is something many feel keenly and constantly when it comes to the Dwarf who so easily gave them such wondrous gifts and opportunities. So the opportunity to relieve some of that awesome burden? It soothes otherwise frayed nerves and overcomes even the greatest desire to keep such information to themselves. Indeed, in the face of Lord Klausson's request, the man who so many owe their lives to and respect in even greater measure, even the eldest among them acquiesce to part with their knowledge with only a limited amount of grumbling. And many sigh in contentment as part of that massive burden is lifted.
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Nice! I'm happy we could make them happy.

All that research results is super nice too!

Anyway! The vote!

[] Plan The Hearth Watch
-[] [Commander Name]: Name the position of Commander for The Hearth Guard, or more accurately for Rudil, because the boy has found himself taking on many of the duties the position entails more by accident than any real desire for it.
--[] Hearth Lord
-[] [Champion Name]: Name the position of Champion of The Hearth Guard
--[] Fire Keeper
-[] [Champion Purpose]: What will the Champion's purpose be.
--[] Exemplar: The Champion is to be the greatest example of what it means to be a Hearthwarden. One who understands intrinsically what your group entails and goes above and beyond to fulfill its stated purpose.

Decided to unashamedly go for a Dark Souls reference since I'm hopeful one of our Valkyrie Guard will go for the Champion slot and Fire Keeper seems like a good name for other reasons besides references; namely that in a lot of ways the Hearth Guard are about keeping the fire of Dawi wellbeing alive. The exemplar of such a thing is a person who tends to that fire above all other things and so in my mind Fire Keeper works as a name for such a role.

Exemplar is the non-traditional choice, but frankly the Hearth Guard are a aid retinue built to give Snorri more hands to aid and help dwarves with so it's extremely on theme for them. And, its not like they're exactly inexperienced fighters and we won't be remiss in decking them out with rad stuff.
 
Robotninja said:
This is starting to look really tempting.
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It's really great that it's down to 6 actions, that means with Journeyman of the Odd, we can bop in 3 actions next turn, take it down to 1 action, and then use our extra action next turn to finish off Zhufazul.
Salty Birb said:
3 actions on rune metal 1b should complete it I think, with Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth. That leaves 2 more actions, not sure where to put them
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1 more, we have one locked on Hold Founding. As for that? Zhufazul's obvious, and maybe Dronril-Dronwut plus pestering Kraka Drakk into HELPING?
 
soulcake said:
"If it's you Alrik, I most certainly will," Thargrim rumbles good-naturedly, taking a long swig of his mug, before chortling, "Rather listen to Donnarsson over there over you frankly."
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Bah, or Blitzen the master Dancer.
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It had been done for simple scientific thoroughness, you hadn't actually expected the Runes to actually take to the material at all, and yet it had.

How? The meticulous notes of the Carpenters, Farmers and Miners Guilds gave you the best clue. The former two independently had soil testing done, then both sought out further confirmation from the Miners Guild as well. All three found trace Gromril particulates in the soil had been uncovered, though excavations failed to find any actual Gromril node beneath the grove.
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Well. I was wrong.
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"This dry piece. The Jade has faltered, with each passing day the Gold grows in strength as it draws more and more into itself. The piece beyond it has even moreso, and I believe that if you show me older pieces the trend will continue until only the most miniscule amount of Jade remains. The one that bears the Wind Stiller's work is the same, but it is...different. Hmm, as I see it, the Gold within the other pieces, they are unordered, directionless, and so are weakened. The one marked by your touch has order, but it is...frail? Yes, frail, like a clutchling attempting to stand in the place of its elder, or perhaps an entrance with only half a door. There are...gaps, spaces wherein your mark finds nothing to anchor itself to."
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So if Chamon is what its looking for, does this mean Adamant isn't a suitable replacement for Gromril as we've removed the winds from it?
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Blizzardwing had little of note to say about the material. Only that they were the stuff of the stones and life, and that the Jade within them was speckled grey. Whatever such a thing meant, as the description even confused the Brana herself.
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That is wierd. Is it petrifying into stone or something?
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Because the moment they were inscribed with certain Runes the effect of the stones changed.

Runes of Healing, Fortitude, Fire, Valaya and similarly themed Runes saw, not large but still statistically significant, increases in their potency. When you first noted down the phenomenon it nearly made you question your own sanity. Because the data broke one of the few fundamental assumptions of how Runes functioned. That the material a Rune was inscribed upon should have no true impact on its effectiveness.
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Oh wow.
So...
This is now a structural material second only to the Gromril chain.
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You stare at the Adamant Smelter, then correct yourself.
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Is it just me, or has soulcake been hinting at something over the last few updates?
 
Salty Birb said:
3 actions on rune metal 1b should complete it I think, with Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth. That leaves 2 more actions, not sure where to put them
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Just one more action actually.

Zufazul is a good start given its weirdness and fact of existence coming from an act of transmutation, refer back to when we initially found it.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Bah, or Blitzen the master Dancer.
Well. I was wrong.

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So if Chamon is what its looking for, does this mean Adamant isn't a suitable replacement for Gromril as we've removed the winds from it?

That is wierd. Is it petrifying into stone or something?

Oh wow.
So...
This is now a structural material second only to the Gromril chain.

Is it just me, or has soulcake been hinting at something over the last few updates?
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I wouldn't mind Comprehend MR Purification, yeah, that's gonna be... a thing. Given nobody knows how it works.

Shouldn't be too hard. Certainly should be done before any mainline Rune Metal work.

Also, with this, I'm going to want Brana to take an eye to Adamant. See if we actually removed the Winds.

Or, if as I now suspect, we removed the Dhar from it.
 
Guys, I think we may be thinking a little too much like dwarfs. Just because a material is a replacement for Gormil does not mean it is doing the job the same way Gormil does. It might be that removing all the winds is one way to get the result and making a strongly Chammon-aligned once-living material is another.
 
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1 more, we have one locked on Hold Founding. As for that? Zhufazul's obvious, and maybe Dronril-Dronwut plus pestering Kraka Drakk into HELPING?
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Oh right, I'm forget about Snorri committing Karag Dum 2.0. I guess let's knock that another weird water/grimnirzan then. I don't mind slipping that last one action to other runes though.

Also, can we just admire that Grimnirzan sounds cool as a sword technique name in other languages

[]Plan: Everything's on FIRE
-[] [Commander Name]: Name the position of Commander for The Hearth Guard, or more accurately for Rudil, because the boy has found himself taking on many of the duties the position entails more by accident than any real desire for it.
--[] Write-in
---[] Watcher of the Flame
-[] [Champion Name]: Name the position of Champion of The Hearth Guard
--[] Keeper of the Flame
-[] [Champion Purpose]: What will the Champion's purpose be.
--[] Exemplar: The Champion is to be the greatest example of what it means to be a Hearthwarden. One who understands intrinsically what your group entails and goes above and beyond to fulfill its stated purpose.

Remind me if I screwed up the voting, also X of the Y sounds cooler for me if you're asking why
 
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BungieONI said:
Not sure what you mean by this, as when we found Adamant it was described as being better in basically every measurable respect.
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I mean, if we removed all the metaphysical stuff from Pure Gromril to make Adamant. And what makes Azrilwut a valid replacement for Gromril is the Chamon.
Have we accidentally removed the thing that some runes need from Gromril in order to function correctly. We saw that we used Pure Gromril for Smednir Rune but not Thungni. Doesn't the process of forging add a lot of chamon from the worksmanship?
 
Dark as Silver said:
I mean, if we removed all the metaphysical stuff from Pure Gromril to make Adamant. And what makes Azrilwut a valid replacement for Gromril is the Chamon.
Have we accidentally removed the thing that some runes need from Gromril in order to function correctly. We saw that we used Pure Gromril for Smednir Rune but not Thungni. Doesn't the process of forging add a lot of chamon from the worksmanship?
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We have put a lot of runes on Adamant, and none of them have shown any issue, and the bonus we had for was phrased as a general boost to all runes so I'm gonna conclude its a bonus to all runes. And a better version of the Rune Metal not helping all runes, especially when its a valid upgrade reagent for the rune of Thungni the dude who makes all the runes, would be faintly ridiculous.

And runes don't care if it has Chamon or not, they care if it has the Winds at all and then they do things to that wind.
 
soulcake said:
- Silverwood Complete!
-- [Tier 2] Azrilwut x∞: Can be a replacement to [T2]Gromril
-- To your imminent surprise this material can accept Armour Runes, not as efficiently as Gromril, but considering such Runes required Gromril in the first place it is a staggering revelation. You doubt Dawi are going to start trapezing about in wooden armour anytime soon, but it's interesting to know. If there were ways to improve the material's natural toughness…
-- According to the Brana this material sings and calls for the Gold Wind, and is to them, naturally saturated with it. The older the sample, the more suffused it becomes as it draws in more and more Gold wind.
-- That same magic is, however, in a state of disorder as Blizzardwing puts it, and is only given some semblance of order when a Rune is placed upon it.
-- +1 progress to The Rune Metal Pt. 5, new totals: [Cost: (12 -2) =10 actions]
-- +2 progress to The Rune Metal Pt. 1b, new totals: [Cost: (8 -2) =6 actions]

- Hearthstones Complete! Warmth, Hearth and Home, all things that Valaya represents.
-- [Tier 2] Hearthstones x∞: Can be a replacement to [T2]Troll's Heart
-- The Rune of Valaya and Runes related to healing, endurance and warmth, in general, alters the expression of this material's properties, harmonizing with the Rune in question to enhance its effect. Not touching the Rune directly, but rather joining it like an apprentice to a Master.
-- When in proximity to each other the stones lower their energy output to maintain the desired level of heat, and if left in the cold for long enough, heat themselves up until they feel as warm as they should in room temperature, to an extent.
-- The larger the individual stone, the larger the Room it can effectively heat.
-- The Brana say the stones sing of the warmth of home, safety and surety.
-- +1 progress to The Movement of Things Pt. 4, new totals: [Cost: (10 -2) =8 actions]
-- +1 progress tp The Secrets of Light Pt. 2, new totals: [Cost: (8 -2) =6 actions]
-- +2 progress to Understand Valaya's Runes, new totals: [Cost: (12 -4) =8 actions]
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Apparently if you have enough research subjects everything is eventually interconnected. Hitting out the smaller low hanging fruit is very useful.
 
soulcake said:
Journeyman of the Odd: Every 3 research actions used for Talismanic, Engineering runes or weird/odd concepts in general, add 2 free action's worth of progress. Research gains from studying odd materials improved.
Soul of the Earth: Every 2 research actions used on all minerals, metals or other earthborn things add 1 free action's worth of progress. Work with all metals will be greatly improved.
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soulcake said:
[ ] The Rune Metal Pt. 5: [Cost: (12 -1) =11 actions] Student of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc.
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soulcake said:
-- +1 progress to The Rune Metal Pt. 5, new totals: [Cost: (12 -2) =10 actions]
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Guys I just want Rune Metal Pt 5 to stop staring me in the face on literally every turn, just a couple of turns will knock it out.
 
I'm inclined towards making the Champion a warrior type, honestly. I mean, I get the idea of the exemplar, and having one definitely makes sense, but I mean...that seems more like what the Commander should be, right? They lead the hearthguard, so in terms of qualities, them being what every hearthguard aspires to be seems like it'd make sense. On the other hand, well, the Champion is fundamentally a position for a combatant, it sounds like. They're the lynchpin, the guy you expect to step up if a Greater Daemon or a Doombull or what have you appears. An exemplar just seems like it'd be an unintentional challenge to the authority of the commander, instead of complementary to it. "Why isn't this dwarf leading us when they embody our group's qualities so perfectly?" sort of deal. Maybe I'm just being paranoid and thinking too much like a human instead of a dwarf, I don't know.
 
TheDuke said:
I'm inclined towards making the Champion a warrior type, honestly. I mean, I get the idea of the exemplar, and having one definitely makes sense, but I mean...that seems more like what the Commander should be, right? They lead the hearthguard, so in terms of qualities, them being what every hearthguard aspires to be seems like it'd make sense. On the other hand, well, the Champion is fundamentally a position for a combatant, it sounds like. They're the lynchpin, the guy you expect to step up if a Greater Daemon or a Doombull or what have you appears. An exemplar just seems like it'd be an unintentional challenge to the authority of the commander, instead of complementary to it. "Why isn't this dwarf leading us when they embody our group's qualities so perfectly?" sort of deal. Maybe I'm just being paranoid and thinking too much like a human instead of a dwarf, I don't know.
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The commander position is more of an administrative one that makes sure everyone gets to where they need to be to help the most, whereas the Champion in the culture of the dwarves is more of the Face of the Retinue.
 
Honestly with how things are going Snorri's might end up being the inventor/publisher of basic Dwarven Magical theory, allowing the Dawi as a whole to slowly get a grip on how the Winds work/how they effect various things (maybe even figure out a way to let non-mages view the winds via runic glasses or something, which would be huge).

The Brana even make it easier as they can double check his work/let him have a basic idea of whats what and go from there.
 
soulcake said:
- [ ] Exemplar: The Champion is to be the greatest example of what it means to be a Hearthwarden. One who understands intrinsically what your group entails and goes above and beyond to fulfill its stated purpose.
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This choice should be a no brainer right?


soulcake said:
-- +1 progress to The Rune Metal Pt. 5, new totals: [Cost: (12 -2) =10 actions]
-- +2 progress to The Rune Metal Pt. 1b, new totals: [Cost: (8 -2) =6 actions]
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Rune Metal Pt. 1b should have had -4 right?
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-- +2 progress to Understand Valaya's Runes, new totals: [Cost: (12 -6) =6 actions]
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Also is the one wrong as well?
 
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BungieONI said:
You could have clarified that better, but anyway. If we can't use it as a reagent in some runes that we could have used gromril in... oh well? I really don't think its gonna be a problem either way.
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I thought the fact that I brought it up in reference to the output of researching a different Rune Ingredient and then used two runes where we chose to and chose not to use it as an ingredient would be sufficient of a clue.
And as soon as it was clear we misunderstood I clarified.
I don't know how I could clarify better without reading your mind or sounding extremely condescending when I laid things out.

And it was more about checking my understanding. I don't think we're making any MGromrils anytime soon so it wouldn't be a problem.
 
Same, plus another decked out "Fuck you, right in the jaw" Dawi never hurts. It's a hole the Hearth Guard has yet to fill, and a truly multipurpose tool should have a "Literally A Shit Kicker" in a setting like WHF.

There will always be some fool who wants to rule the world.
 
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