I still think she's trying to give Sayaka reasons to contract, since we're considering no-selling the Kyousuke wish.
 
I think people are too quick to assume Oriko wanted to hurt any of them. She's a precog. If she wanted Hitomi, Mami, or Sayaka dead then they wouldn't be alive. If she did set Sayaka's house on fire she could just have easily murdered her directly. She could have also arranged for Mami to die to the darkness witch just by ensuring Homura was tied up somewhere and couldn't provide light. Hitomi likewise it might have been easier to kill than just seriously break a bone.

I don't think Oriko has intended to kill a cast member yet at all. If she was trying they'd be dead. Especially Sayaka.
Yet.
 
I advocate capturing them and using them for SCIENCE, instead of full murder, actually. Such as trying to hybridize witches with magical girls by grafting witch parts onto them. Oooh, or transplanting a bit of Oriko's brain into Kirika's, see if some of the precog carries over. What with advanced magical girl healing, this should be entirely possible.


Note: I am kidding. Even I am not THIS obsessed with SCIENCE. Though these would be interesting things to find/test out...
Doctor Emma Strauss, pls go
Do you read Magical Girl Noir Quest by any chance? Because two words: Malal Quest. (Also yay another fan if you do.)
 
Depending on the circumstances, yeah I can see plenty reason it would amount to a bad end.
No, you specifically said:
Nuclear option and a bad end. We can do better then that.
No 'under some circumstances', no 'what if', no 'let's keep it sub rosa', you consider killing her - someone we have significant reason to want dead, someone who containing or neutralizing will pose significant challenges - at heart a bad idea.
There is no perfect solution. If that's what you want, you're in the wrong series.
If it's the least bad option, what's your problem with it?! What is your core objection to fragging the crazy bitch?
 
No, you specifically said:

No 'under some circumstances', no 'what if', no 'let's keep it sub rosa', you consider killing her - someone we have significant reason to want dead, someone who containing or neutralizing will pose significant challenges - at heart a bad idea.

If it's the least bad option, what's your problem with it?! What is your core objection to fragging the crazy bitch?
We technically can't be sure yet that she's a single-minded fanatic with malevolent intentions and no objections to hurting or killing bystanders to achieve her goals.

It doesn't matter; she's long gone and the priority at the moment is still to rescue Sayaka/shut down any sneaky little attempts to cause a contract.
 
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We technically can't be sure yet that she's a single-minded fanatic with malevolent intentions and no objections to hurting or killing bystanders to achieve her goals.
Except we have meta knowledge that that's exactly what she is, at least in Oriko Magica... which we shouldn't assume is true for this quest. I'll be quiet now.
 
No, you specifically said:

No 'under some circumstances', no 'what if', no 'let's keep it sub rosa', you consider killing her - someone we have significant reason to want dead, someone who containing or neutralizing will pose significant challenges - at heart a bad idea.

If it's the least bad option, what's your problem with it?! What is your core objection to fragging the crazy bitch?

Besides turning Sabrina into a cold blooded murderer? Besides proving how mentally unstable she is that she can kill someone if she snaps? Besides killing someone based on what they could do and not what they did? And not expecting any permanent and horrifying consequences because of it?

Yeah, I think that's a pretty fucking terrible way to go about things.

And I won't support it.
 
Planning to murder someone for something they've not yet done and might not even be planning to do is crazy.

I just don't think that Oriko wants to kill off cast members. If she wanted to they'd be dead. She's a precog, nothing she does is by accident.

It's far more likely this was done to either provoke a reaction by us, or a wish from Sayaka. Honestly setting Mami up to fight the loneliness witch the way she did was very helpful. It got Mami to admit her issues and bring them to the surface where we could start to heal them. Mami always had those issues beneath the surface where we couldn't do anything about it and people wanted to help it but had no real idea how.

Hurting Hitomi got us to go to the hospital, but I'm not sure that was Oriko at all. It was too close to when she contracted timing wise.

Sayaka we don't yet know how it will play out, we need more information.

Further we don't know for sure that she was behind the loneliness witch either. We didn't sense her anywhere near it. Blaming every bad thing that ever happens to us on Oriko is a trap. Bad things happen without some mastermind being behind it every time.
 
Besides turning Sabrina into a cold blooded murderer? Besides proving how mentally unstable she is that she can kill someone if she snaps? Besides killing someone based on what they could do and not what did? And not expect any permanent and horrifying consequences because of it?

Yeah, I think that's a pretty fucking terrible way to go about things.

And I won't support it.
Waiting until we lose somebody is by far the worse option.
Besides, any interpretation of her actions still has her walking away from Sayaka's burning house. Don't forget that.
 
Planning to murder someone for something they've not yet done and might not even be planning to do is crazy.

I just don't think that Oriko wants to kill off cast members. If she wanted to they'd be dead. She's a precog, nothing she does is by accident.

It's far more likely this was done to either provoke a reaction by us, or a wish from Sayaka. Honestly setting Mami up to fight the loneliness witch the way she did was very helpful. It got Mami to admit her issues and bring them to the surface where we could start to heal them. Mami always had those issues beneath the surface where we couldn't do anything about it and people wanted to help it but had no real idea how.

Hurting Hitomi got us to go to the hospital, but I'm not sure that was Oriko at all. It was too close to when she contracted timing wise.

Sayaka we don't yet know how it will play out, we need more information.

Further we don't know for sure that she was behind the loneliness witch either. We didn't sense her anywhere near it. Blaming every bad thing that ever happens to us on Oriko is a trap. Bad things happen without some mastermind being behind it every time.

...Asari, Hitomi was almost certainly Kirika's work- there were a lot of implications to that effect.

"Helpful", maybe. Helpful, no. Oriko is an unknown, confirmed for quest antagonist and her actions are escalating. There is no way we're letting it get to the point where someone's in major danger- at least more than they already have. Even assuming benevolence and >ORIKO WAS RIGHT, her approach is guaranteed to have too much collateral for us to go along with it, and I'm seriously dubious about that.
 
...Asari, Hitomi was almost certainly Kirika's work- there were a lot of implications to that effect.

"Helpful", maybe. Helpful, no. Oriko is an unknown, confirmed for quest antagonist and her actions are escalating. There is no way we're letting it get to the point where someone's in major danger- at least more than they already have. Even assuming benevolence and >ORIKO WAS RIGHT, her approach is guaranteed to have too much collateral for us to go along with it, and I'm seriously dubious about that.


Perhaps this is to get us to move forward with our plans via ORIKO!INTERUPT.

Also anyone curious to find out what would happen if we tried to stop a fire by smothering it in grief?
 
Perhaps this is to get us to move forward with our plans via ORIKO!INTERUPT.

Also anyone curious to find out what would happen if we tried to stop a fire by smothering it in grief?
It'd be smothered. Assuming we maintain control, there is absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work like a fire extinguisher, going by every single depiction of grief in series.
 
Don't worry, it's just dumb rampant shadowruns and with unnecessarily violent suggestions to boot.

Nothing important in other words.
She set fire to Sayaka's house.

Yes, there's some benefit of the doubt, but let's be honest here: Occam's Razor means she's probably the arsonist or was behind the arsonist. Never mind her intentions and if she "knew" we'd come and save Sayaka in time, the fact remains that she's escalating to the point where she's starting to seriously threaten the lives of the cast members, and we don't need to see where she's going with these plans.

Oriko needs to be stopped- there's some fuzziness on the specifics, but if asking nicely doesn't work and she keeps escalating, it's on the same level of wishful thinking as "cooperate with Kyubey" to think that'll end well for us.
 
Can we stop beating the dead horse already?
I think we can get another page or two out of it. /jk

Gotta agree with Muramasa, until we talk with Oriko the best we can do at this point is run in circles and beat dead horses now. Let's work on some more productive ideas like Grief Powered Rockets into space. Or trying to convert Grief into physical atoms and stuff.
 
I think we can get another page or two out of it. /jk

Gotta agree with Muramasa, until we talk with Oriko the best we can do at this point is run in circles and beat dead horses now. Let's work on some more productive ideas like Grief Powered Rockets into space. Or trying to convert Grief into physical atoms and stuff.

Grief-propelled Warhammer.

We must have grief-propelled Warhammer!
 
For grief, control at a distance, gas->solid, changing consistency and color....

First gives us better ranged, second lets us turn a griefcloud outside of a barrier/anywhere inside a barrier into an area where we can murder pretty much anything, and the third lets us try and eventually steal the MamiBot idea.
 
Direct Intervention pt. 2
Mami stares at the departing figure, then looks at you. "Was that-"

"Oriko. Yes," you growl.

"I see," Mami says, voice icy cold. "Sayaka needs our help, first."

"Yes," you agree, as the first fire truck pulls up at the street, firemen piling out, shouting at each other. They hurry to connect up the hoses to the fire hydrants, setting up to put out the fire.

You and Mami sprint at the flaming building, amidst some shouts of alarm from the few firefighters that notice the two of you. The cloud of Grief billows around you, and a tangle of ribbons springs into existence around Mami. "Sayaka! Firefighters are here, and we're coming in!"

"P-please hurry!" Sayaka shouts.

The two of you sprint up the stairs to Sayaka's third story apartment. The banisters are warm as you pull on them to help you change direction, leaving finger imprints as you do. When you reach the third floor, you're confronted by a virtual wall of flame and black smoke gouting through the remains of the door.

"Sabrina-" Mami begins, a worried frown on her face.

"I've got this one, I think," you say, smoothly stepping around Mami. One hand rises in front of you to direct the mass of Grief, and it surges ahead in a billowing cloud to engulf the licking flames. Roiling darkness meets the hungry flames, and snuffs it out without fuss.

You storm forward in the wake of the cloud, Mami hot on your heels. The floor is hot enough that you can feel it through your boots, and you're barely able to keep a small path clear of flame with your Grief. Mami's ribbons lash, serpentine, helping to smother and toss aside flaming pieces of debris in your path as you push through the inferno heated air. "Sayaka!" she shouts, voice ringing clarion-like over the roar of the flames. "Where are you?"

"H-here!" Sayaka's response is barely audible, and interrupted by coughing. It's enough, though, that you can figure out which room is hers.

You feel Mami releasing a pulse of magic behind you, blasting back the acrid clouds of smoke in the air. Now that you notice the smoke, though, you realize that you should have been coughing just as hard, if not harder than Sayaka had... but aren't. In any case, with the smoke clear, you can see the closed door clearly. "Mami?"

"Got it," she snaps, ribbons lashing out and sliding between the door and the wall. The blonde braces herself, and then hauls on the ribbons, tearing the door off its hinges while you focus on keeping the flames back.

The room beyond is untouched by the fire, but smoke pools against the ceiling, and you can see Sayaka huddled on the floor beside her bed, blanket dragged around her face. She lifts her face to look at the two of you through reddened and tear-laden eyes.

"M-Mam-" her grateful cry is interrupted by a hacking, phlegmy coughing fit. Crap. Smoke inhalation.

"We need to get her out of here," you say, hurrying over to the bluenette. Mami nods, eyes anxious. "Sayaka, is there anyone else in the house?"

"My pare-" she begins, but promptly starts hacking again. "N-next room."

"Easy, Sayaka," you say. "Can you wal- no, best not. Stay down for a moment."

The fire's getting more intense, and at this point, you're hard pressed to keep it away from this room with the small amount of Grief you have at hand, a thin layer of Grief pushing back against the hungry flames. "Mami, through the wall?" you suggest.

"OK," the blonde says. She considers the wall for a moment, before manifesting a large mass of ribbons. She gestures grandly with both hands, and the ribbons lance out, outlining a roughly person-sized area with regular perforations clear through the wall. You gently pull Sayaka behind you, shielding her body with your own. Mami, in an echo of her earlier motion, braces herself and hauls.

The wall explodes outwards in a spray of crumbling mortar and cheap brick. On the other side of the newly formed hole, you can see another bedroom, this one with a larger bed, and an older couple huddled together in the corner furthest from the door. Like Sayaka's room up until a moment ago, the door is firmly shut, and not yet burned through.

The man looks up. "Who- wha-"

"We're here to help," Mami says, ducking slightly and stepping through the hole in the wall. "Mr. and Mrs. Miki? Can you walk?"

"I- ye-" he coughs slightly, but nowhere as badly as Sayaka is, "My wife-"

Sayaka's mother is unconscious, you can guess that much from the way her head is lolling about. Mami takes that in stride though. "That's OK." Golden ribbons spring into existence, bearing the older woman upon a stretcher. Mami moves over to Sayaka's father, offering a supporting hand. "Sir, this way?"

Despite the gravity of the solution -fire pressing hard against your thin barrier[1]​ of Grief, Sayaka and her parents in poor condition- you can't help admire Mami's unflappable demeanour. It works, too, Sayaka's father staggers to his feet, one of his arms pulled over Mami's shoulder. Despite the height difference, she still manages to support most of his weight.

"OK, stay calm, Sayaka," you mutter to the girl, before kneeling and picking her up in a fireman's carry. You nod at Mami, and the two of you push towards the living room, which is still blazing away.

Water pours in through the window in a torrential spray, dousing some of the flames- fire department, then. The edge of the spray catches you in the side with enough force to send you staggering to the side, and you swear violently. Thankfully, Sayaka hasn't been hit, and you managed to maintain your Grief cloud, pressing back against the inferno.

"Sabrina!" Mami calls in alarm, still supporting Sayaka's father.

"I'm good," you grunt, forging doggedly forward. The stairwell, with its promise of safety from the fire, isn't far away now.

The five you you quickly reach the stairwell, and you bundle the Mikis down to the first floor quickly. When you reach the first floor, you're surrounded by people- paramedics, and firefighters, all shouting and trying to get the five of you to the ambulances. Behind them, you can see a team of search and rescue firefighters, all geared up and ready to rush into the blazing building.

[] Go with the paramedics
[] Run away!
- [] Leave the Mikis with the paramedics
[] Write-in


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[1]​ Small 'b' barrier, not 'Barrier'.
 
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[x] Go with the paramedics
-[x]See if everyone's okay?
[x]Telepathy to Madoka/Homura in case Kyubey gets any bright ideas. Everyone's okay. Alive.
[x]Talk to Sayaka...assuming she's in any shape to listen. Telepathy. Just talk.
-[x]If anyone asks, we're friends/classmates of Sayaka's.
[x]Talk to Mami. Reassurance if needed.


[x] Run away!
- [x] Leave the Mikis with the paramedics
[x] Telepathy to Madoka/Homura in case Kyubey gets any bright ideas. Everyone's okay. Alive.
[x]Talk to Sayaka...assuming she's in any shape to listen. Telepathy. Just talk.
[x] Take stock of the situation. See what Mami wants to do.



Fine, fine, let's preserve the masquerade for whatever reason... :rolleyes:
 
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[x] Run away!
- [x] Leave the Mikis with the paramedics
[x] Telepathy to Madoka/Homura in case Kyubey gets any bright ideas. Everyone's okay. Alive.
[x] Take stock of the situation. See what Mami wants to do.
 
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