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Ugolino said:
Sabrina+anyone=Unlimited Magic Works plus constant grief attacks. We are essentially a walking pile of Grief Seeds and that's without actually using our own powers.

If she's trying to assemble a team in opposition to her...that's still dumb, but more sane.
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I believe his point was that with others the rate of grief per unit time was ineffective compared to farming grief seeds as indicated by Kyubey. While during a timestop no time passes so the rate of grief gathering approaches infinite from the objective temporal reference frame.

As to assembling a team my thought was that she might believe, correctly, that our side would be unwilling to have people contract if we can at all avoid it. While there's still a need to have a team of magical girls to engage Walpurgisnight. Thus she could cause girls to contract and foist them off on us so we can maintain them to battle the upcoming Walpurgisnight. A lot probability scenario, but at least fairly reasonable if her goal is simply to survive.
 
Sightedjt said:
Hmm. If she saw walpurgis or something else, she could have been trying to force contracts with certain wishes to combat whatever she saw.
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...Why can't people who sees the bigger picture understand that their ways isn't always the only nor the best one?
And when asked, the answer given will more or less always be "I dun dis fo da greater gud" while they would be like, a thousand times more efficient if they actually collaborated with other peoples having the same goal instead of acting solo and/or screwing them over.
 
inverted_helix said:
I believe his point was that with others the rate of grief per unit time was ineffective compared to farming grief seeds as indicated by Kyubey. While during a timestop no time passes so the rate of grief gathering approaches infinite from the objective temporal reference frame.

As to assembling a team my thought was that she might believe, correctly, that our side would be unwilling to have people contract if we can at all avoid it. While there's still a need to have a team of magical girls to engage Walpurgisnight. Thus she could cause girls to contract and foist them off on us so we can maintain them to battle the upcoming Walpurgisnight. A lot probability scenario, but at least fairly reasonable if her goal is simply to survive.
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Except that she's gone out of her way to make sure that she personally doesn't survive if we do- and with foresight (and common sense), she'd know that we'd take all of this badly. Canon Oriko was fairly subtle with provoking contracts- ie: Yuma.
 
Ugolino said:
Except that she's gone out of her way to make sure that she personally doesn't survive if we do- and with foresight (and common sense), she'd know that we'd take all of this badly. Canon Oriko was fairly subtle with provoking contracts- ie: Yuma.
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If she sets us up to defeat Walpurgisnight and then just skips town the odds are good that players would never bother chasing her down. She can just use precog to stay ahead of any attempt to kill her anyways.

Not claiming this scenario is very likely. It would be an amusing subversion though.
 
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inverted_helix said:
If she sets us up to defeat Walpurgisnight and then just skips town the odds are good that players would never bother chasing her down. She can just use precog to stay ahead of any attempt to kill her anyways.

Not claiming this scenario is very likely. It would be an amusing subversion though.
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It's all fun and games until she kills one of the people whose names we know. :p
 
....any reason this can't just be standard arson? With accelerant, I could easily imagine those flames getting that high, and I doubt Oriko has FIAH POWAHS.
 
jacobplm said:
....any reason this can't just be standard arson? With accelerant, I could easily imagine those flames getting that high, and I doubt Oriko has FIAH POWAHS.
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Entirely possible both scenarios are correct. Remember Oriko was said to be hiring someone. Who says she couldn't have hired an arsonist with accelerant for this fire?

At this point though the biggest problem is stopping the fire before it hurts anyone. I don't really care what Oriko's mindgames are for and don't even know if she's the true antagonist at this point.
 
Muramasa said:
allegedly.
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She showed up in person at two in the morning - and made no attempt to help, which would've been an easy, simple way to mess with our heads even if she were responsible.
Hitomi's injury, okay, that could've been a coincidence. A witch tailor-made to hit Mami in the feels, and which would've killed her had she faced it alone, shows up when it should be long dead? Much more suspicious, but Oriko might not've been responsible. This, though? Very strong evidence that we're being systematically fucked with.
 
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Oriko: I didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning.
Sabrina: …No, that can't possibly be true. You just wanted an excuse to quote that song.
Oriko: *Shrugs* Yeah, pretty much.
 
FlatlineAskari said:
She showed up in person at two in the morning - and made no attempt to help, which would've been an easy, simple way to mess with our heads even if she were responsible.
Hitomi's injury, okay, that could've been a coincidence. A witch tailor-made to hit Mami in the feels, and which would've killed her had she faced it alone, shows up when it should be long dead? Much more suspicious, but Oriko might not've been responsible. This, though? Very strong evidence that we're being systematically fucked with.
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Wait, what witch was that?
 
Or she could be pulling a cruel teacher act and teaching Sayaka the true meaning of grief?

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[X] Sayaka needs help, get in there.
-[x] Ask Mami if her ribbons are fire proof.
-[x] On that note... grief isn't flammable... is it?
 
FlatlineAskari said:
She showed up in person at two in the morning - and made no attempt to help, which would've been an easy, simple way to mess with our heads even if she were responsible.
Hitomi's injury, okay, that could've been a coincidence. A witch tailor-made to hit Mami in the feels, and which would've killed her had she faced it alone, shows up when it should be long dead? Much more suspicious, but Oriko might not've been responsible. This, though? Very strong evidence that we're being systematically fucked with.
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Oh I have no doubts she's trolling the shit out of us. She's really going out of her way to make herself look guilty. She didn't have to confront us on the bus yesterday and she didn't have to be present at the fire here. Point on the witch too though I'm not convinced Mami would have died to it. So the question to ask is, why is Oriko so obviously antagonizing us?
 
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Muramasa said:
Oh I have no doubts she's trolling the shit out of us. She's really going out of her way to make herself look guilty. She didn't have to confront us on the bus yesterday and she didn't have to be present at the fire here. Point on the witch though I'm not convinced Mami would have died to it. So the question to ask is, why is Oriko so obviously antagonizing us?
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Either way she's making problems for us, is actively putting the characters in dangerous situations, and has a track record of ruining everything forever.

The Murderface solution is looking very appealing at this point unless we get a straight answer for what Oriko wants and why she's doing it, preferably before we actually lose any of the cast to shenanigans.
 
Ugolino said:
Either way she's making problems for us, is actively putting the characters in dangerous situations, and has a track record of ruining everything forever.

The Murderface solution is looking very appealing at this point unless we get a straight answer for what Oriko wants and why she's doing it, preferably before we actually lose any of the cast to shenanigans.
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Right, let's not become murderers before we can confirm Oriko has killed or is trying to kill someone. All we have is circumstantial evidence for everything. I see your point but it does us no good to alienate everyone else just to take Oriko off the map. For now, if Oriko isn't cooperating, then Mami can and should kick her out of Mitakihara for good with as much force as she deems necessary.
 
Muramasa said:
Right, let's not become murderers before we can confirm Oriko has killed or is trying to kill someone. All we have is circumstantial evidence for everything. I see your point but it does us no good to alienate everyone else just to take Oriko off the map. For now, if Oriko isn't cooperating, then Mami can and should kick her out of Mitakihara for good with as much force as she deems necessary.
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...It's Oriko. Kicking out is just asking for her to show up later as part of a convoluted scheme that racks up a body count.

If we confront her and she admits to attempted murder, refuses demands to explain herself/stop attacking people we're trying to keep alive, and shows every sign of continuing to do it, we're playing dice with the cast to not take her out of the equation.

If nothing else, we need to make it clear to her that this kind of thing really needs to stop. We should have done this after Hitomi, if only to learn what Oriko's playing at.
 
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