Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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We either died because Madoka, Sayaka, and Kyubey never encountered us or we just now suddenly exist because of reasons.
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No one wants to meet Homura? Can we choose both?
I think that was a valid wish, so she probably would have become an antagonist for some other reason.
Bad Flatline! Bad!
We're not supporting the lunatic with a bucket, we're supporting the one in tights and a shield!
Because the game is up for us having out of context knowledge, we have his interest in a bad way, and between a futile attempt to stay off his radar and getting a head start on warning the megucas...
We're not supporting the lunatic with a bucket, we're supporting the one in tights and a shield!
Because the game is up for us having out of context knowledge, we have his interest in a bad way, and between a futile attempt to stay off his radar and getting a head start on warning the megucas...
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FlatlineAskari
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C'mon, let's derail this crazy-train!Bad Flatline! Bad!
We're not supporting the lunatic with a bucket, we're supporting the one in tights and a shield!
Unless Oriko's gone completely off the deep end (which is a possibility), we're natural allies. That is to say, we aren't massively obsessed with Madoka, can't skip out on this timeline if it all goes to hell, and like being alive.
Worst-case outcome if we follow Oriko? We're forced, in the final extremity, to ... spare Madoka the fate of becoming a monster. Murder one innocent to save a world. It's what she'd want us to do. We know it's what she'd ask of us.
Worst-case for backing Homura? We help get seven-point-something billion people killed. Again.
... (Also, if it comes down to it, I bet Homura'd be easier to rub out than the precog).
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Best Girl
Uh no. Ugo, Madoka and Sayaka have only the barest context on what a witch actually is. We're a stranger and Kyubey's a cute and fluffy mascot and Mami's going to trust him a lot more then she's going to trust us. You've participated in way too many quests to know that Kyubey can and will make your life miserable if you are so obviously going to obstruct him. Get, MadoSaya's trust first and then you can be as much of an ass to Kyubey as he will be to us.
If we need to play twenty questions with Kyubey earlier than usual, so be it- I'm being a bit more reckless than I would normally with Mami's stability on the line since we can and will manually do the grief vaccum thing to stop witchout if we need to.
C'mon, let's derail this crazy-train!
Unless Oriko's gone completely off the deep end (which is a possibility)
Fixed that for you.
But seriously, Team Bucket is underpowered. Useless for our purposes, and if it's a choice between them and potentially the canon Mitakiharas...well, shame about poor crazy Oriko and Ms Scissorhands. She can do the Touhou thing and Kirika can do a good job of ganking anyone that isn't Mami...and that's about it.
Mitakihara has the advantage of being mostly sane, being competentish/not completely useless given the right events to "prodigy" on the power scale, and most of all...having enough megucas with the ability and inclination to meatshield and who'd have a use for our power's obvious usage. Grief seed shortages are the meguca killer, after all.
Let's say we side with Oriko. We need to kill Madoka. To do that we need to get through Homura, Mami, and probably Sayaka and Kyouko if things get to that point. Plus if Homura lives long enough to see Madoka die, we are not only wiped from existence but any future incarnations of us die so messily no one will ever find the body. Plus...Oriko is undeniably batshit post-contract. At least Kirika's scatterbrained and is too out of it to try being manipulative- plus her triggers are fairly obvious. Oriko? I'd rather we try moving in with the Kazumi crew...or the Tokyo 6. (I am not advocating these.)
Remember, Oriko failed.
tl;dr: Sabrina wants to live, so let's not run the meguca gauntlet to murder Madoka instead of working with a decent "team" that don't have crazy plans- and that has access to time travel if we do need it.
Also, never trust someone who thinks a bucket is appropriate headgear.
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[x]I...I guess we should see Mami.
[x]So...how long have you known her?
[x]Ask Sayaka what's so bad about Homura.
[x]Try and get your thoughts in order. What do you know other than how things went in canon?
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Had some ideas about Sabrina's grief manipulation ability:
1. Sabrina can transfer grief from MG or Witch to normal person. Basicly she gave them bad case of depresion that is always connected with some concrete memory or fear. Not funy by itself but it could rise the affected potential for contracts.
2. Funy Idea - Sabrina could materialise the grief as a living curse - the Wraith (more then one and pretty powerful too). She basicaly summon the post Madokami Wraiths completly with their Grief cubes.
[x]So...how long have you known her?
[x]Ask Sayaka what's so bad about Homura.
[x]Try and get your thoughts in order. What do you know other than how things went in canon?
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Had some ideas about Sabrina's grief manipulation ability:
1. Sabrina can transfer grief from MG or Witch to normal person. Basicly she gave them bad case of depresion that is always connected with some concrete memory or fear. Not funy by itself but it could rise the affected potential for contracts.
2. Funy Idea - Sabrina could materialise the grief as a living curse - the Wraith (more then one and pretty powerful too). She basicaly summon the post Madokami Wraiths completly with their Grief cubes.
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FlatlineAskari
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Everybody here's crazy, Homura most of all. Oriko's power is unique, unreplicable, and a really great force multiplier. It's also a good shot at saving the world.
As for the fact that she presently wants Madoka dead? I think we have a moderate chance of changing that, but if we're completely unable to change the mind of the one who can see the future, they may have a point.
Maybe if Madoka dies and Homura loops, the world'll survive her. We can't be sure.
Homura's never looped another human. If she can - which is doubtful - she's unwilling to. She isn't our ally; she'll quite happily leave us for dead-or-worse, when her plans fail. Which they definitely will, without outside intervention.
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I think people are going with Mami because she is more likely to be non-hostile. And she can probably help us with he fact that we are kinda homeless right now.
The Homura thing's more long-term: we get Mami on side, and we can work on Homura's PR later. Showing up for the first time as Homura's ally to Mami is much, much more likely to end badly than the other way around.
Contracting to survive is something she can understand, us wishing to clean grief will help win her over because she does have a "loljustice" complex and avoided partnerships because of the familiar-thing other magical girls advocated, and she's lonely enough that it'll make it slightly easier to win her over as long as we don't apply Homuplomacy or act amoral. Assuming we are where I think we are in the timeline, anyway.
Homura is crazy, but we are (potentially) capable of short-circuiting her biggest obstacle and she is extremely predictable. Oriko's power is flawed, she's either already completely insane or well on the way thanks to skimming the future with said power and turning up "EVERYONE IS DEAD FOREVER THANKS TO GRETCHEN", and we're probably not going to be able to save her from that, especially if she's seen us coming.
We're already about to make first contact with Mami on neutral to good terms while if we tried it with Oriko we'd be lucky to get past the front door without being gutted.
We can be the outside intervention- Homura's problem is amazingly straightforward and solving it is a simple question of getting enough mutual trust and firepower and defusing the bombs. Oriko is the real spanner in the works here. A slim chance of a loop is better than guaranteed messy death now and forever.
Oriko and Kirika had a tea party with a rampaging Witch. Kirika witched out on purpose for the Plan, and Oriko decided a middle school was acceptable collateral damage for said plan. Sanity is not high on their list of character traits, and neither are reliability or good planning.
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FlatlineAskari
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... Argh, I like these options not one bit. I still think Homura's likely to be burned out, to all intents and purposes completely disinterested in saving those parts of the world not occupied by Madoka, which is likely to be a major problem for us. But, as a lesser-evil thing ... yeah, let's link up with Mami and play it by ear.
[x] I...I guess we should see Mami.
[x] So...how long have you known her?
[x] Ask Sayaka what's so bad about Homura.
[x] Try and get your thoughts in order. What do you know other than how things went in canon?
We can always backstab and kill everyone later.
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The Long Count
Given the way Firnagzen was smiling, I'd be willing to bet that this is completely false, and that Homura will recognize Sabrina on sight.
My money's on "suddenly existing" myself, but either way, a little groundwork'll help.
Weapon-wise...am I the only one thinking of a grief railgun? Gives us another thing in common with teh Mumi, which can only help with her "sempai" complex.
Ideas for Powers:
1.Hopefully, cleansing in some shape or form to reduce or remove the Mitakihara team's grief seed shortage issues. And they will have issues if and when the other megucas happen.
2. Manipulate Witch bodies/lairs since they're essentially completely made out of grief.
3.Shut down hostile megucas by flooding their gems with enough grief to force them to stop- plus grief causing disorientation or even collapse is a thing in canon. Alternatively, if we're going for the kill as a last resort, make them Witch out right then and there.
4.Grief can make weaponry and objects when used by Witches. We're not Witch-tier level of control, I think, but we can at least make spiked vines like Gertud's Anthonies, maybe summon objects like Octavia's wheels, or even just remotely controlled weapons and tools out of it with more flexibility than any ordinary magical girl's weapon could. Kyouko's spear is still limited by the shape of the Spear- with a little luck, we effectively have a Grief Lantern Ring.
5. Did I mention that we're essentially a walking, talking, unlimited grief seed?
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Basically the whole reason I voted for this path is I wanted us to be able to actually form and maintain a team of magical girls, which would normally be impossible.1.Hopefully, cleansing in some shape or form to reduce or remove the Mitakihara team's grief seed shortage issues. And they will have issues if and when the other megucas happen.
5. Did I mention that we're essentially a walking, talking, unlimited grief seed?
We can actually start to form a magical girl organization and expand it over increasingly large areas with this power. Especially if we can use our power indirectly by having us purify used grief seeds which can then be used again. We could then set up a sort of cycling program for magical girls outside our direct area where they send by their grief seed supply for purification every once in a while.
"To The Stars" Magical Girl Union here we come
Fair enough; I'm not thrilled by the "team battery recharger" route but I can understand the reasoning and it's a fairly overall useful power in the form we wished for.
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Put it this way: form a good enough friendship/partnership with Homura that she lets us hold her hand for extended periods of time. Initiate Infinite Timestop. Drain corruption as "time" passes. Find Oriko and shoot her, Kirika, their families, their friends, their friend's families, and everyone in a five mile radius to be sure. Build a mech or something out of the drained grief. Have Mami bake a cake, serve with tea.
Hell, while timestopped, Yuma could be kidnapped and later persuaded to become Mami's personal baking assistant, if you want to get crazy.
I like this plan!
I suspect we can shred Witches but returning a Witched-out girl to her old self, sane or otherwise...eh, that really seems like a Madokami level feat at that point. There's just enough left of the meguca in the Witch to give a misleading impression, going by the canon evidence.
Hand-holding? That's Madoka's job.
But more seriously, I'm not arguing against the gamebreaker potential of most forms of this wish, I just disliked the idea of limiting ourselves to solving the grief problem. As for the drained grief...I have a bad feeling it'll need to go somewhere/be the magical equivalent of toxic waste when we're not actively using it.
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Schwer-Muta
A Shy Arrogance
Perhaps. But there's not much harm in trying against a particularly weak witch.
The QM has said thrice that he's not going to give us a Monkey's paw wish and that it will follow both the letter and spirit of the wish. The spirit of the wish was that we could cleanse grief freely without negative side effects so it will be fine.
Though the exact choice on the wish means that even if it does produce grief sludge we'd be able to control that too.