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TLDR Jujutsu Kaisen superpower.

Turns any distance to the user into an infinite distance so attacks don't hit.

I suppose in theory practical equivalent can be managed with grief, but it would probably be easier to just no sell physical or directed energy attacks by abusing griefhax.

Less sure if the thing is effective against esoteric attacks that grief would have issues no selling.
 
Lopezelpesado said:
Question.... Do you think we could immitate the limitless infinity technique from Gojo with grief?
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Probably not, maybe.

Think that's a form of space extension which, if I'm interpreting this correctly, we have difficulty doing even with witchy Grief.
Firnagzen said:
Space extension. You try to exert your will, forcing it upon the space inside the tube. It doesn't seem to work, though, just as the permanence didn't. The tube remains obdurately normal. As normal as something made out of Grief can be, anyway.
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I have no idea if this is still correct, this was pretty early and maybe we learned something.
 
Speaking of cool theoretical ideas with little practical use: could healers like Yuma make walls?

I mean, regular magical girls can heal physical objects. We saw that with Table-Chan a while back, but it was also specifically compared to as similar to regular healing.
Firnagzen said:
"It's not too different from healing," she says, half to herself. And then she looks up at you. "We can do this? Together?"

"That's the idea," you say, flexing your hand and reaching out, fingers splayed as you wait for Mami to show you how it's done.

And she does, the golden glow of her magic following her fingers as she traces out the cracks. The magic sinks in, binding together as you withdraw the Grief. Mami's right - it's not that different from healing. Your finger glides along another of the fissures in the glass, shaping the magic, and you're delighted to find that it works just fine.
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And I'm pretty sure you can heal things improperly, so that the end product is different. It's what (I think) happened to the Myanmar group, with the Iowa healer "healing" wrong.
Firnagzen said:
"Their nerves are all messed up," Kaoru says. "She's... made it so that they think they're in a natural state, but they're not. Like, you know how nerve damage doesn't heal naturally most of the time? Like that, sort of, but..." Kaoru flutters her free hand. "I think that's why Yuma's magic didn't get it, at first."
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So what I'm thinking is that if a healer broke the ground, could she "heal" it back in a state where it's a wall instead of ground?

Also healing can move debris. We saw it when timestop-healing Oriko.
Firnagzen said:
A fragment of stone, sticky with blood, worms its way out of the wound and falls to the ground. The expected ping of stone on tarmac doesn't come, though, as the stone freezes, claimed by the timestop.
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I may have put too much thought into this. Watch me look like an idiot when it turns out the anime/movie shows this exact thing happening and I forgot about it.
 
Jonen C said:
TLDR Jujutsu Kaisen superpower.

Turns any distance to the user into an infinite distance so attacks don't hit.

I suppose in theory practical equivalent can be managed with grief, but it would probably be easier to just no sell physical or directed energy attacks by abusing griefhax.

Less sure if the thing is effective against esoteric attacks that grief would have issues no selling.
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As others have said, that probably isn't something we can do. On the subject of new defensive abilities, how about telling our grief to distribute damage across its entire 'mass', for lack of a better word. If it works, it would mean that no matter where an attack hits, no matter how thin the layer of grief blocking it is, that attack would have to break through all of our grief to pierce it. This would increase our grief's effective durability immensely, as well as resisting piercing attacks.
 
Romka said:
As others have said, that probably isn't something we can do. On the subject of new defensive abilities, how about telling our grief to distribute damage across its entire 'mass', for lack of a better word. If it works, it would mean that no matter where an attack hits, no matter how thin the layer of grief blocking it is, that attack would have to break through all of our grief to pierce it. This would increase our grief's effective durability immensely, as well as resisting piercing attacks.
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Grief already invalidates all physical attacks, she can facetank the sun no problem. The issue is magical attacks can flick a middle finger to it. Sure you can redistribute grief to pin an attack down, but I doubt it'll be automatic. Supergirl from Iowa was able to just tear through the outer layers with brute magical force, only stopped by even more grief pinning her from every direction.
 
Appletank said:
Grief already invalidates all physical attacks, she can facetank the sun no problem. The issue is magical attacks can flick a middle finger to it. Sure you can redistribute grief to pin an attack down, but I doubt it'll be automatic. Supergirl from Iowa was able to just tear through the outer layers with brute magical force, only stopped by even more grief pinning her from every direction.
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This is assuming that magical attacks can casually ignore this. We don't actually know if that's true. We've never tested this, and couldn't have tested it because as far as I'm aware, this idea has never come up before.

I'm also aware that grief is inviolate to mundane attacks. This doesn't diminish the utility of this very much because most of the things we've fought and expect to fight use magic.
 
Romka said:
This is assuming that magical attacks can casually ignore this.
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Kirika shut down her grief manipulation just fine with Anti-magic as an esoteric style of attack.
Mami cut through her grief cocoon during their spar, using magic properties on her ribbons, IIRC.
I feel like one of the Witch fights had something similar where Sabrina was caught off guard, but it's just a vague impression on my end.

If there is a magical girl/Witch with a "turn stuff into bread crusts" magical beam attack (her mother hated her and always cut the crusts off her sandwiches, they were her favorite part), there's no reason to assume that grief wouldn't be turned into bread crusts if it gets hit by it.
 
Edison_Trent said:
Kirika shut down her grief manipulation just fine with Anti-magic as an esoteric style of attack.
Mami cut through her grief cocoon during their spar, using magic properties on her ribbons, IIRC.
I feel like one of the Witch fights had something similar where Sabrina was caught off guard, but it's just a vague impression on my end.

If there is a magical girl/Witch with a "turn stuff into bread crusts" magical beam attack (her mother hated her and always cut the crusts off her sandwiches, they were her favorite part), there's no reason to assume that grief wouldn't be turned into bread crusts if it gets hit by it.
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Torgamous said:
Just the fact that the ribbons are magic is enough. See also: our spar with Kyoko.
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Antimagic works that way for all grief though, not just this type of grief. And even then, it didn't actually dispel the grief, it just limited what Sabrina could do with it. Its also not a universal ability. Most magical girls don't have antimagic.

Being able to penetrate weak spots isn't the same as forcing something that doesn't have weak points to have them. If a form of magic can't do the second part, then it can't do the first part either. We have many examples of the first part, but we don't know if magic automatically does the second.

An ability that can reliably destroy anything it touches would be effective, but that relies on such an ability existing. If it does exist its not very common. I can't think of a time someone when genuinely destroyed our grief. People have broken through it before, but that's just forcing it out of a set position. The Soujo's have said they can dissipate grief, but that's slow and not something they can use in battle.

Honestly if we did find someone who could turn grief into bread, I'd be halfway pleased that we have a new and faster form of grief disposal. Maybe that's Anna's power over in Pearth.
 
Romka said:
Being able to penetrate weak spots isn't the same as forcing something that doesn't have weak points to have them. If a form of magic can't do the second part, then it can't do the first part either. We have many examples of the first part, but we don't know if magic automatically does the second.
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Grief doesn't have weak spots for mundane force. All examples of a magical anything penetrating or redirecting any amount of grief is an example of Sabrina's grief control being weak to magic.
 
Torgamous said:
Grief doesn't have weak spots for mundane force. All examples of a magical anything penetrating or redirecting any amount of grief is an example of Sabrina's grief control being weak to magic.
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Sabrina's grief is only weak to magic in the sense that its actually possible for magic to beat grief, which mundane physics can't do. There have been many times when Sabrina's grief contested magic, and many of them were successful. We regularly succeed in blocking magical attacks, and against Iowa, we made a witch construct that shut down their teleportation. Having the right power can hard counter another power.

There have been times when magical attacks could break through our grief, but that was with grief that actually had weaknesses to exploit.

What I am proposing is a form of grief that acts as a single object that happens to be in multiple places in out hypersphere simultaneously. Such an object has no weak points by definition, because hitting any part of it is the same as hitting the entire mass.

Normal matter doesn't work like this, but grief isn't normal matter. It only has what physical properties Sabrina wants it to. Acting like one object in multiple positions is no more unnatural to it than acting like multiple separate objects, or having any other physical property for that matter.

You still have not proven that magic can easily force such an object to have weaknesses. You've only given examples of magic piercing weak points in grief that already has weak points.
 
So I've been thinking: we know that it's possible to use Griefhax to get information Sabrina doesn't already know (with the example being a book about concrete mixing specifications) as long as it's not magical in nature (IIRC we weren't able to get anything about how Soul Gems work). We also have the ability to manipulate matter on the atomic level, so we can create more or less anything as long as we know its composition. Why not try using that as basically a tinker power? There are lots of things that haven't been invented yet but should be doable by mundane means once we know how. As a simple example, maybe we could conjure up workable designs for a rail rifle and make one for Homura.
 
DataSnake said:
we know that it's possible to use Griefhax to get information Sabrina doesn't already know (with the example being a book about concrete mixing specifications)
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I thought Sabrina got all of Internet stuck in her head hence why she can keep up with the insanity of Mitakihara calculus and talk every language there is, how she didnt know how to mix concrete? Or we are talking here brand specific mixture instead of general one (if that makes sense)?
 
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