Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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RazorBlaxe
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Then we just need to flip it around and be good at fixing meguca. As the saying goes, those who are good at breaking things can be just as good if not better at the opposite.We're good at breaking meguca.
Also, the more I hear about Akiko the less I like her. Sigh, oh well, at least this girls would accept our help without being stupid about it. Negotiations is a go!
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
Hmm. Well the Uni girls do not want Akiko there, big surprise.
They hold her responsible for Chika's death since they had to be reckless to try and gather seeds to meet her 'tax' and keep enough for themselves. They also may hold her responsible for tearing them away from their families since haha hunting at least 5+ witches a week leaves you very little time to do anything but hunt.
Akiko probably controls most of the city leaving them with slim pickings. We could help on that front I think. Mitikahara can support a couple more MGs conventionally. We can probably support the whole group since lolGriefbending.
Perhaps Akiko's wish had something to do with a drought, since it's always raining when she's around. Makes sense given her water control powers
They hold her responsible for Chika's death since they had to be reckless to try and gather seeds to meet her 'tax' and keep enough for themselves. They also may hold her responsible for tearing them away from their families since haha hunting at least 5+ witches a week leaves you very little time to do anything but hunt.
Akiko probably controls most of the city leaving them with slim pickings. We could help on that front I think. Mitikahara can support a couple more MGs conventionally. We can probably support the whole group since lolGriefbending.
Perhaps Akiko's wish had something to do with a drought, since it's always raining when she's around. Makes sense given her water control powers
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Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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So, yeah, we are definitely not bringing Akiko in. The question is, how do we break the news to her, and how to do it in such a way that doesn't break our illusion of neutrality and won't drive her to do something reckless.
I can't say that's a saying I've ever come across before.
[x]Politely but coldly explain to Akiko that her actions have made her unwelcome at the bargaining table. Rin will be handling things for her group. We trust she doesn't have any objections to that. (Make it a statement not a question.) If she does press, make it clear that this is how it's going to be. We'll keep her informed of how negotiations are going.
[x]Telepathy Rin. Is she alright? How much of this did she know about before?
[x]Ask Mami and Kirika to stay alert via telepathy in case Akiko decides to try something. Keep an eye out with your own grief sense.
[x] Negotiations
-[x]Business-like but amiable. Be the neutral, reasonable negotiator.
-[x]We intend to cleanse everyone's grief seeds at regular intervals. That should let them recycle them to some extent, meaning they won't need to hunt as much, or waste used seeds by giving them to Kyubey. Ideally, everyone has at least a few seeds on hand at all times. They can arrange a meet-up point for the regular cleansing, or a courier for later once we've hammered things out.
-[x]Due to this, would they say that the specific outlines of which group has which territory is no longer as important? It would seem reasonable for them to share turf and cooperate if both groups go after the same witch. We'll be cleansing the seeds, after all, so who has how many doesn't matter as much. Does that work for everyone as a starting point? No infighting over territory or seeds?
[x]Telepathy Rin. Is she alright? How much of this did she know about before?
[x]Ask Mami and Kirika to stay alert via telepathy in case Akiko decides to try something. Keep an eye out with your own grief sense.
[x] Negotiations
-[x]Business-like but amiable. Be the neutral, reasonable negotiator.
-[x]We intend to cleanse everyone's grief seeds at regular intervals. That should let them recycle them to some extent, meaning they won't need to hunt as much, or waste used seeds by giving them to Kyubey. Ideally, everyone has at least a few seeds on hand at all times. They can arrange a meet-up point for the regular cleansing, or a courier for later once we've hammered things out.
-[x]Due to this, would they say that the specific outlines of which group has which territory is no longer as important? It would seem reasonable for them to share turf and cooperate if both groups go after the same witch. We'll be cleansing the seeds, after all, so who has how many doesn't matter as much. Does that work for everyone as a starting point? No infighting over territory or seeds?
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Gadjo
Doka
Yeah, I didn't expect anyone to want to negotiate around her. Shame though, with our current suite of information I figured we could make a fool out of her if she did the "politely extorting/mocking you" BS. Still, I can understand their decision. I say we tell Akiko they aren't comfortable negotiating with her at the table, and that she'll have to telepathy her points and counterpoints to Rin or directly to those seated at the table. I don't expect her to be reasonable about this though; we should prep for an ambush.
[] Ugolino.
I can support what is in this vote, but I think we need to warn Kirika and Mami to stay on their toes, and perhaps prepare some contingency. Akiko seems like she's about to do something stupid.
Also, no witchbombing Akiko with or without the mind rape; once she figures out we don't want Mami to know, we'll be forced to kill her (either to prevent her witchbombing the Mumi or as retaliation for it).
Edit: vot un-confirmed (fickle bastard, ain't I?)
[] Ugolino.
I can support what is in this vote, but I think we need to warn Kirika and Mami to stay on their toes, and perhaps prepare some contingency. Akiko seems like she's about to do something stupid.
Also, no witchbombing Akiko with or without the mind rape; once she figures out we don't want Mami to know, we'll be forced to kill her (either to prevent her witchbombing the Mumi or as retaliation for it).
Edit: vot un-confirmed (fickle bastard, ain't I?)
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Jonen C
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We're good at breaking meguca.
But ze healing is not as revarding as ze hurting.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Let's not let the witchbomb out by Freudian slip.
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So Chika didn't witch out.
That's one witch bomb situation averted and might even mean that we and Homura are still the only ones likely to know about it.
I'm still interested as to why Akiko sees the nedd to hoard all these grief seeds. She only has five people in her group and shouldn't need that many to get by. Add the healing payments and she should have a big stash of greed seeds lying around somewhere. What does she use them for?
Keeping a soul gemified magical girl grief cleansed?
If I was a bit more paranoid, I would guess that Akiko's hydrokinesis allows her to make it rain and thus control the weather to an extent, which could be horrifying. Fighting someone that controls water during heavy rain seems like a bad idea.
As for the negotiations:
Since Akiko is the de facto leader of Sendai and doesn't participate, could we first hash out a deal between us and the University group and ask thm what they actually wanta and then confront Akiko with it and deal with her.
That's one witch bomb situation averted and might even mean that we and Homura are still the only ones likely to know about it.
I'm still interested as to why Akiko sees the nedd to hoard all these grief seeds. She only has five people in her group and shouldn't need that many to get by. Add the healing payments and she should have a big stash of greed seeds lying around somewhere. What does she use them for?
Keeping a soul gemified magical girl grief cleansed?
If I was a bit more paranoid, I would guess that Akiko's hydrokinesis allows her to make it rain and thus control the weather to an extent, which could be horrifying. Fighting someone that controls water during heavy rain seems like a bad idea.
As for the negotiations:
Since Akiko is the de facto leader of Sendai and doesn't participate, could we first hash out a deal between us and the University group and ask thm what they actually wanta and then confront Akiko with it and deal with her.
UrsaTempest
Don't Panic!
Alternatively, they may pull Kazumi. Well, not precisely Kazumi, but some other large-scale magical project.
EDIT: Or something more mundane - one of their number want to retire, perhaps to pursue school or something like that, so they stockpile Grief to prepare that.
EDIT: Or something more mundane - one of their number want to retire, perhaps to pursue school or something like that, so they stockpile Grief to prepare that.
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Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
It that is the case then let Sabrina know who it is and she will clean their gem once a week or something.
Pretty sure Akiko has a megalomania complex...or something I don't know. Maybe she's just a snooty bitch who's used to getting her way. Not entirely sure what her issue is but rest assured she does indeed have them.
UrsaTempest
Don't Panic!
Eh, I'd rather presume she have pragmatic, necessary purpose for collecting that much Grief seed. If only because it'll make us struggle on right, wrong, and so on instead of simply relegate her as cartoonishly evil.
Heh. Cartoonishly evil.
Heh. Cartoonishly evil.
Gadjo
Doka
Akikobator?...You just made me imagine a teenaged girl with those soulless incubator eyes and a cat smile.
*shudders*
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Dammin, I want to offer these girls refuge at Mitakihara but we're not supposed to bring outside problems in there.
I think what Sabrina is thinking by:
...is that surely Akiko did not use the time we've been talking to gather clouds so she could make a false rain which would give her certain advantages in certain conditions.
While being soaked is not something you want while fighting a water controller, if she is causing the rain, I find it more likely that she can use the rain to extend her senses. We deny her a spot at the table: She'll be there anyway.
Perhaps Akiko's wish had something to do with a drought, since it's always raining when she's around. Makes sense given her water control powers
Akiko likely knows we won't accept her at the table, and she may not be content with leaving Rin as her representative. We're also sitting outdoors.
I think what Sabrina is thinking by:
...is that surely Akiko did not use the time we've been talking to gather clouds so she could make a false rain which would give her certain advantages in certain conditions.
While being soaked is not something you want while fighting a water controller, if she is causing the rain, I find it more likely that she can use the rain to extend her senses. We deny her a spot at the table: She'll be there anyway.
... Hm.
Actually. How does our magic-sense work? Is that limited to 100m or line of sight?
Can we just look at the clouds and see if we see magic in them?
Actually. How does our magic-sense work? Is that limited to 100m or line of sight?
Can we just look at the clouds and see if we see magic in them?
Akiko has Kato Setsuko's soul gem somewhere, but there's no body, or she doesn't know where the body is? Would explain why she was searching Ishinomaki, and why Rin was told she'd be healing Kato.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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Even if she does, with us around she shouldn't need to resort to such callous measures to gather her grief seed pile. Assuming that she is in any way reasonable we should be able to hash out a deal where we provide weekly cleansings for everyone and in return she ceases the extortion racket she is running.
That said, something doesn't quite add up. From what we've seen of Akiko, she has always been very calculative. She doesn't strike me as the type to act without having some wider goal in mind. In that light, why exactly did she stage multiple attacks on the Ishinomaki girls? From the looks of things, she appears to be just gathering up all those grief seeds only to rapidly expend them fighting the Ishinomaki girls. If she wants more territory there are less well defended cities much closer to Sendai than Ishinomaki, and if she wants richer hunting grounds, well, Mitakihara is basically witch central.
We probably need to talk to her after the UG issue is settled.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
That would mean 'the look of things' is wrong then. It would mean that she's actually winning... Something, I don't know what. Maybe an object, maybe a nice feeling in her head.
Gadjo
Doka
She is behaving strangely, isn't she? While I think we can satisfy the other groups, and perhaps most of Akiko's group, with unlimited cleansing, I don't Akiko herself will be persuaded that way. She must have some sort of personal grudge, or vengeance to carry out, because I can't think of any pragmatic reason not to immediately ally with the girl that makes the most difficult and dangerous part of being a meguca obsolete. Or maybe she's just crazy, I dunno.
PhantomFractions
I can (not) type fast enough
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Well, shit. Three seeds a week. That's twelve seeds per month, and 3*52= one hundred and fifty six per year.
For two years?
Three hundred and twelve seeds. Rent. Plus extra to keep formerly six, now four magical girls from witching out.
Plus 5 seed payment for any visit in the healing circuit just for showing up - with the client covering all cleansing costs.
Plus whatever hunting Sendai does in the meantime.
What the actual hell are they doing?
Even if we assume that the Sendai group had a consistent membership of 5 the entire two years since Kato disappeared (which isn't the case - since Rin would've taken some time to contract and join up) and even if we ignore any tribute seeds from before Kato's disappearance (We don't know precisely how long this has been going on) and make a conservative estimate of two healing circuit per month, that's still a ridiculous number of seeds for the group.
And they could do more than 2 heals per month due to ease of teleportation and need to keep word of mouth going. Also consider that Akiko's go-to excuse was that Rin was healing circuit two days after we'd met on another healing circuit. She wouldn't have lied outlandishly or her companion's reactions would have told us. Therefore it is likely that they actually do more than 2 healing circuits per week in order for the excuse to seem plausible. But ignoring that and keeping 2/month...
That's 312 rent + 240 healing circuit.
552 seeds since Kato. Hell, divide it evenly and each girl gets 55.2 seeds per YEAR. More depending on how many healing circuits.
552 minimum. Not including any witches they hunt or seeds they've stolen from other independent newbies.
There are no words.
And think of the scale of loss of life this represents. Let me once again be conservative and assume that only 1 in 10 witches is a fallen meguca.
55 girls. Where I'm from, that's almost two classrooms. That's a busload.
Plus all the muggles the remaining 497 familiars killed to evolve.
And how many witches have we seen in one week in Mitakihara? 4? 5?
Mami had no issue with two other girls (us and Homura) in the city. That implies 4/3 = 1.3 seeds per week would happily support Mami (low estimate). Though it's probably more like she fills one seed completely per week, as standard practice seems to be 'Have one seed spare if at all possible'.
Assuming 1 seed/girl/week. Sendai doesn't need to hunt. Period.
Uni needs to hunt seven seeds per week to keep all current members alive and pay rent.
Not every witch drops a seed.
This is all speculation and numbers may change, but we need to ask Mami what her seed consumption rate is to know precisely how bad this is.
P.s. how many seeds did Sayaka use in series, and how long did she last? My guess is 1 seed for 4 weeks before witchout. I think I read somewhere that the series takes place over about 6 weeks or so? So a week for Mami, 4 weeks for Sayaka, 1 for Madoka's trauma and prep for Walpurgisnacht?
That would mean even fewer seeds than I estimated are necessary to support a semi-active magical girl.
Yeah...sorta hoping my numbers are all wrong here....
I'll vote later when my immediate reaction isn't [q] Unmake Akiko.
For two years?
Three hundred and twelve seeds. Rent. Plus extra to keep formerly six, now four magical girls from witching out.
Plus 5 seed payment for any visit in the healing circuit just for showing up - with the client covering all cleansing costs.
Plus whatever hunting Sendai does in the meantime.
What the actual hell are they doing?
Even if we assume that the Sendai group had a consistent membership of 5 the entire two years since Kato disappeared (which isn't the case - since Rin would've taken some time to contract and join up) and even if we ignore any tribute seeds from before Kato's disappearance (We don't know precisely how long this has been going on) and make a conservative estimate of two healing circuit per month, that's still a ridiculous number of seeds for the group.
And they could do more than 2 heals per month due to ease of teleportation and need to keep word of mouth going. Also consider that Akiko's go-to excuse was that Rin was healing circuit two days after we'd met on another healing circuit. She wouldn't have lied outlandishly or her companion's reactions would have told us. Therefore it is likely that they actually do more than 2 healing circuits per week in order for the excuse to seem plausible. But ignoring that and keeping 2/month...
That's 312 rent + 240 healing circuit.
552 seeds since Kato. Hell, divide it evenly and each girl gets 55.2 seeds per YEAR. More depending on how many healing circuits.
552 minimum. Not including any witches they hunt or seeds they've stolen from other independent newbies.
There are no words.
And think of the scale of loss of life this represents. Let me once again be conservative and assume that only 1 in 10 witches is a fallen meguca.
55 girls. Where I'm from, that's almost two classrooms. That's a busload.
Plus all the muggles the remaining 497 familiars killed to evolve.
And how many witches have we seen in one week in Mitakihara? 4? 5?
Mami had no issue with two other girls (us and Homura) in the city. That implies 4/3 = 1.3 seeds per week would happily support Mami (low estimate). Though it's probably more like she fills one seed completely per week, as standard practice seems to be 'Have one seed spare if at all possible'.
Assuming 1 seed/girl/week. Sendai doesn't need to hunt. Period.
Uni needs to hunt seven seeds per week to keep all current members alive and pay rent.
Not every witch drops a seed.
This is all speculation and numbers may change, but we need to ask Mami what her seed consumption rate is to know precisely how bad this is.
P.s. how many seeds did Sayaka use in series, and how long did she last? My guess is 1 seed for 4 weeks before witchout. I think I read somewhere that the series takes place over about 6 weeks or so? So a week for Mami, 4 weeks for Sayaka, 1 for Madoka's trauma and prep for Walpurgisnacht?
That would mean even fewer seeds than I estimated are necessary to support a semi-active magical girl.
Yeah...sorta hoping my numbers are all wrong here....
I'll vote later when my immediate reaction isn't [q] Unmake Akiko.
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Loops
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Honestly, I can speculate on a sympathetic side to Akiko's actions. I mean, look at it from the perspective of someone who really cares for the people under her. She knows witch fights are deadly dangerous, and that a lack of Seeds can kill you (let's assume she doesn't know about the witchbomb for a sec). You have a few girls in your charge, so what's the best way to make sure they a) don't die, and b) stay topped up on cleanses? It's pretty simple if you narrow your focus down to protecting just a few people, really. You set up a system where other girls you don't care about take the risks fighting witches and deliver you Seeds. That means that you hardly ever need to risk yourself or your girls in witch fights, just the occasional show of force to stop an uppity meguca from saying 'nah, I'm not paying you for the privilege of existing here'. Rin's healing gig came later and added on a new way for her to gain Seeds without fighting, meaning that she could upkeep more meguca for longer in the case of a witch drought.
If she does know about the witchbomb, then the urgency to make sure she has as big a stockpile as possible just gets even worse. She then knows that in the case of a gem darkening, she would have to hunt down and kill one of the people she's protecting in addition to the pain of losing a friend. Would also be the reason why she's careful about who she lets into her group, as anyone she brings in needs to either be able to supply Seeds or have some sort of hax to intimidate others to give her Seeds.
Sadly, we actually have context for the line of thought, too. Narrowing your focus down to saving or protecting less people is what Homura did, really. She initially wanted to save all her friends, but at the end the only person she really cared about was Madoka. And we're not blaming Homura for, say, threatening to kill a spiraling Sayaka, or taking Charlotte's Seed after not really trying that hard to save Mami. It happened, but the context and intent was important.
It doesn't help the people that get the short end of the stick, but if she does really care about Rin as a person and not a resource (Sakura certainly does, and Akiko was sort of holding her back for Rin's sake I think) then her preparations to get her back at all costs make perfect sense. I mean, would Homura stop to negotiate with someone who took Madoka hostage? There would be stopped time, and then there would be all the bullets forever.
Maybe this is just my optimism and general faith in humanity showing. I'd like to believe that Akiko, for all her faults, is still human. I have no idea if any of this is correct, but it at least is a try to understand her reasoning. Someone else can come up with the cartoonishly evil version.
If she does know about the witchbomb, then the urgency to make sure she has as big a stockpile as possible just gets even worse. She then knows that in the case of a gem darkening, she would have to hunt down and kill one of the people she's protecting in addition to the pain of losing a friend. Would also be the reason why she's careful about who she lets into her group, as anyone she brings in needs to either be able to supply Seeds or have some sort of hax to intimidate others to give her Seeds.
Sadly, we actually have context for the line of thought, too. Narrowing your focus down to saving or protecting less people is what Homura did, really. She initially wanted to save all her friends, but at the end the only person she really cared about was Madoka. And we're not blaming Homura for, say, threatening to kill a spiraling Sayaka, or taking Charlotte's Seed after not really trying that hard to save Mami. It happened, but the context and intent was important.
It doesn't help the people that get the short end of the stick, but if she does really care about Rin as a person and not a resource (Sakura certainly does, and Akiko was sort of holding her back for Rin's sake I think) then her preparations to get her back at all costs make perfect sense. I mean, would Homura stop to negotiate with someone who took Madoka hostage? There would be stopped time, and then there would be all the bullets forever.
Maybe this is just my optimism and general faith in humanity showing. I'd like to believe that Akiko, for all her faults, is still human. I have no idea if any of this is correct, but it at least is a try to understand her reasoning. Someone else can come up with the cartoonishly evil version.
If Akiko has a massive grief seed stockpile for warmaking purposes, then why call us out to cleanse the three of them right after the war's began?
Even IF she didn't have them on hand, it's not like they couldn't have kept going on the seeds they had for a while (refer: Sakura cleansing her own gem).
The only reasonable conclusion is the seeds she gathers are already spent.
Even IF she didn't have them on hand, it's not like they couldn't have kept going on the seeds they had for a while (refer: Sakura cleansing her own gem).
The only reasonable conclusion is the seeds she gathers are already spent.