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When something is going wrong, you hit the panic button and freeze everyone. This is just prudent. We do it all the time with timestop. You can always unfreeze people when you've decided what's going on.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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- Probably one of the continents.
It could be some strange form of witch control, every magical girl has that little spec of grief that we think is the witch right? And we wished to control grief, including specifically our own
Sure, it is prudent. But it also involves manipulating people's memories afterward so they don't notice the lost time or the fact they never actually finished saying anything, which is not very nice.
The whole reason this girl keeps trying to witch bomb everyone every meeting (or whenever she gets angry, we don't know) is she doesn't understand why it doesn't work, as far as she can remember she just never does it.
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CV12Hornet
Riter.
- Location
- Tacoma, Washington
We still don't have confirmation that they even are using mind control. More to the point, we are not in a position to dismantle this entire government on the spot, because we still don't have enough information about the political dynamics at play. And yes, I do think that's what's going to happen if we push things here. Hardball negotiations are for when you're certain that will work, because it burns any other options. And we are not certain.
Look, I understand your desire for the big play, but it's not a good idea. We still don't have enough information to try it. We're better off taking this slower.
Further, just because I think we should be conciliatory doesn't mean I think we should just roll over and do whatever Chiyoda says. We want answers as to what the hell just happened, and we want to stick around to talk with the other Tokyo factions. That's what we need to stand firm on, not go out and inform Toshimichi that unless she changes her methods we're going to go for a regime change.
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Sure but, as far as I can see, they've lost immensely more than they've gained here. They've leaked structural details of the technique, we've learnt that it doesn't work on us, sure it's an attack but it's an attack that's if not benefited us, then significantly harmed their position. In my view, this is why reconciliation is the right response here - they're harmed and panicked, far more than us, and appearing unperturbed will only make us look better. (As well as signal trustworthiness, which is the entire reason we are here.)
We don't gain by getting them to do what we want in the short term; we gain by convincing them that doing what we want will not harm them in the long term.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
You're extrapolating a lot here. Especially since she wouldn't kill an ally for something like this. And we know it wasn't meant to work like that.
The leadup makes way more sense with witch or litch bomb.
They didn't attack us, they bought themselves time ala timestop.
Or the fact that we aren't fully there. If she stops body and thought alike, then she was basically trying to physically lock the thread for a while while also somehow stopping the readers from noteing. That's gotta be a "punching a mountain" moment.
Loosing track of half a minute during heated debate isn't something you need mind control to stop people from noticing.
And we have no idea what Clapsgucas motivations are.
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- Probably one of the continents.
I'd guess that'd be a separate power, but it's hard to speculate on due to how little we know
This is interesting—it seems that Akane has to go into some sort of trance where she's partially unresponsive to the outside world. Possible vulnerability?
It definitely looks like Akane either channelled a spell through Megu or used her as a battery. Megu is the one who looks like Akane's sister, right? So I wonder if it's just limited to her, or if Akane can use anyone?
Sabrina's resistance is interesting. Not sure what to make of it yet.
Well, we found out how they stop the Wotchbomb from spreading. Yay?
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- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
I'm wondering if it's something like slowing perceptions, or that sort of mental effect? Not control but just making it so they can move around and act while everyone else isn't perceiving time or able to act, or so on.
Mami was able to react to us moving, but normally there might not be someone obviously resisting the effect to watch. And our resistance could just be that, well, Sabrina's mentality is weird.
Mami was able to react to us moving, but normally there might not be someone obviously resisting the effect to watch. And our resistance could just be that, well, Sabrina's mentality is weird.
No, that is an attack, which is why we can resist it. Timestop doesn't affect anyone except for Homura and the people who get pulled in, that is part of why it is so good.
It really is, when you want it to work on the person who was about to witchbomb the meeting. Considering the same person or group seem to constantly try this instead of just giving up, we can assume they never are allowed to remember that it doesn't work. They are also not allowed to just try again constantly, though, since otherwise the meetings would last literally forever.
Note that if my assumption that Slow Clap Girl was trying to witchbomb the meeting is incorrect, that only makes the Chiyoda group look even worse.
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- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
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- She/Her
So, a couple possible for the reason we resisted... whatever the hell that was:
-The "control my own grief" aspect of Sabrina's wish being invoked.
-Brain damage saves the day! (IE, Sabrina's odd mentality and/or soul)
-Whatever the hell that was has roots in a "Mandate of Heaven" style effect as some have have speculated, and that ran headfirst into us being the firstborn child of God herself.
-Something else entirely.
-Two or more of the above combined.
-The "control my own grief" aspect of Sabrina's wish being invoked.
-Brain damage saves the day! (IE, Sabrina's odd mentality and/or soul)
-Whatever the hell that was has roots in a "Mandate of Heaven" style effect as some have have speculated, and that ran headfirst into us being the firstborn child of God herself.
-Something else entirely.
-Two or more of the above combined.
CV12Hornet
Riter.
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- Tacoma, Washington
But Clapguca doesn't constantly try this. They constantly dance around the point with weasel words, and were doing the same until they got called out on it. That's the reaction of someone who tried it once before and got shot down in probably this exact manner.
Why they actually tried again this time is probably a combination of saving face after being called out and thinking Toshimichi might not shut it down with an outsider present. And she might not have been wrong had Sabrina not pulled out the Grief screen and prompted the rest of our team to prep for combat.
Reminder that Megu has a type of healing magic according to Homura. So this might be more of a stasis effect.
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Goddamn it, Akane. Get your own magical girl show!
Angrygenius
Professional Insomniac
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- Florida
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- Him/He
So this could be Akane's own 'magic', but she uses other people's gems to hold the waste products?
I mean, this is just spitballing at this point, but still.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
For anyone trying to bullshit that noooo, the time-slow was totally unprovoked, Sabrina hadn't done anything that should be interpreted as going to fight:
Mami, Mika, Moe, and Sabrina herself fucking disagree with you.
We don't know how often she tries this, we only know that there have been meetings before where things nobody exactly remembers happened. Also, Toshimishi was 100% going to shut everything down regardless of us being there, because she can't afford not to.
Read your own quote, hostility was clearly sensed and we prudently prepared before our host suckerpunched literally everyone with a magic that renders them all at her mercy and either erases the evidence of being used or requires that it be done after the fact.
That is betrayal, breach of hospitality and not exactly a normal part of healthy political process either, I feel a few concessions is the least we can ask for, seeing as how we were promised a functional meeting and instead got this. Sabrina should demand extra orphans to feed.
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- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
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- She/Her
Wait, so why were we doing this? Sensing the coming mass paralysis?
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Three things we need to figure out in no particular order, fastest way is to ask:
Is there a time limit? I presume yes because Oriko is not affected but she's not a tokyo guca. If other tokyo gucas not present are unaffected they may get worried about lack of comms. If they are affected they may be caught in compromising situations.
We private, or everyone still conscious, just held up awaiting new command line parameters/orders? Is it safe to speak candidly or do we need to be mindful still.
Was this because we went combat mode or because Slow clap set us up the bomb? We a target or collateral, because in one case we need to apologize for jumping the gun and in the other we need to contextualize.
Is there a time limit? I presume yes because Oriko is not affected but she's not a tokyo guca. If other tokyo gucas not present are unaffected they may get worried about lack of comms. If they are affected they may be caught in compromising situations.
We private, or everyone still conscious, just held up awaiting new command line parameters/orders? Is it safe to speak candidly or do we need to be mindful still.
Was this because we went combat mode or because Slow clap set us up the bomb? We a target or collateral, because in one case we need to apologize for jumping the gun and in the other we need to contextualize.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Angrygenius
Professional Insomniac
- Location
- Florida
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- Him/He
We were trying to make as much noise as possible to try and drown out whatever witchbomb clapback was about to unleash. Unfortunately, to an outsider this looks - and probably is - the same as when Sabrina is about to go Ham, so everyone was getting ready for a fight.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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- She/Her/It/Its
Not just anyone, the girl who looks just like her.
If she is a wish construct, her abilities may very well tax the original wisher, and her alone.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Not just to an "outsider". To our closest allies and to Sabrina herself.
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
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- She/Her
Yeah, I didn't understand what was going on there at al-
Oh, okay then.
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We didn't know they had a way to interrupt what she was saying, so we panickedly tried to interrupt what she was saying; Mami parsed that as combat prep and went into combat prep; Akane either saw combat prep or was also trying to stop Clapguca and hit the panic button.
edit: I think Oriko would still parse wish magic as "magic like magical girls use." I think Oriko's phrasing is the strongest argument for "barrier magic". Note that we're currently inside an overlay space controlled by, or at least belonging to, Akane. (Though we know things that are not witches can create barriers, because we've done it. - Still, Akane is not a magical girl...)
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