Power Up Pt. 16
That's bait.

Not that that's any sort of surprise to you... well, maybe at how blatant she's been. But then, that might be part of the point, to provoke a reaction from you, or from Chiyoda. And there's maybe a further layer of consideration for you: that your mystery not-quite-antagonist feels confident making such an obvious power play.

Silence spreads, cloying and awkward and thick with a thousand unheard conversations. Telepathy, hah.

Maybe Toshimichi simply doesn't bother to engage with that sort of... schoolyard bickering, and allows it to slide. Certainly that's one way of dealing with issues, albeit one that's only sustainable if you're confident you can outlast the other party. Aloof and far above, unconcerned by such petty, clumsy attacks, but you know she's not so disconnected as she wants to be.

... you admit, you're kind of tempted to just introduce your friends again. Why yes, you do know who you're working with. It would be petty, but oh-so-satisfying. Honestly. You've known Toshimichi for all of about half an hour. You'd like to get to the bottom of whatever this antagonism is, but you'd also like to not be skewered on rhetorical barbs.

You can feel the magic curling around Toshimichi, the threads twining into tight knots. Not snarls, but purposeful, the flow of magic stymied and building up for the moment. And you feel the weight of her regard on the back of your head, obsidian black gaze heavy on you, expectant. A test of sorts, to see how you handle unruly supplicants, to let someone else push you in ways she can't or won't.

Or maybe you're just extrapolating things too far. She is looking at you, and you have the floor. Happily, that moment of awkward silence has left a glib answer on the tip of your tongue.

Mami, by your side, tilts her head just far enough to catch your eye. A quirk of an eyebrow, the curl of her lips... and a silent, unspoken question: You or me?

She sees the answer in your grin, you suppose, as she faces back forward, eyes dancing with concealed amusement.

You face forward again, looking right at Miss Slow Clap.

"Yeah, I do," you say, a smile on your face and a hand held out to her, palm up. "You. I'm working with you, and-" your hand cuts sideways, to indicate the whole chamber, and if that includes Toshimichi, well, "-all of you. I'm working with my friends. With everyone who's willing to sign on with the basic tenet of be kind to other people. That's why we're here, on our own initiative, to offer our resources and help to you directly, if you are willing to accept it."

"A pretty speech, but you're avoiding the question," Miss Slow says.

Maybe you're being a bit petty to shorten her name like that, but it's not like you're going to say that out loud. And you're allowed to be petty in the privacy of your own mind, and it's not like she's volunteered her actual name. And she's being rude to begin with anyway. So there.

"We are outsiders to Tokyo," Mami says, velvet-smooth and innocent. "We have the best of intentions, but we freely admit that we are largely ignorant of the specific concerns here. It is, after all, why we came here today - we want to understand what things are like here. We would be happy to hear your complaint, now or after this session?"

Miss Slow Clap sits back, eyes narrowed. You've probably won no favour with her, addressing her argument like that, but you're not sure that was ever on the table, not short of a full denouncing of Chiyoda, for whatever crimes you don't even know about. Mami trades a quick look with you, expression questioning, and you shrug in turn.

"Um, excuse me?" a different girl says, from the back row. She sounds nervous, and looks it, too, fidgeting with her ponytail. She's alone up there. "Um... Miss Nakano? Are you, um, Nakano Mika of, um, Nakano Corporation?"

"I am," Mika says cheerfully. "Why do you ask?"

"Oh, u-um... can we talk later?" the girl asks. "Um, I'm Takada Saeko."

"Certainly," Mika says. You can hear the eager grin from her voice, and you don't need to turn or even use your Grief to sense the way she's bouncing eagerly on her toes.

"Ah, that's a good point. As I alluded to earlier, we will, with Miss Toshimichi's kind permission, be staying around to field questions after this session," Mami says smoothly. "If you have any issues you'd like to raise in private, that would be the time."

"A question, Miss Vee, one that I think we would all benefit from hearing the answer to," a silver-haired girl pipes up. Her voice carries clearly from her position in the center of the auditorium, commanding attention with ease. Silver brows arch beneath a complex, elegantly braided crown of hair as she stares down at you, measuring. "Sugahara Kaede, from Hikawa. If we choose not to accept your... help, what then?"

"... why-" you resist the urge to sigh or pinch the bridge your nose. Instead, you meet her gaze squarely. "I'm giving my help, with no strings attached. All I'm asking is that you be nice about it."

Some part of your mind busily catalogues the new name and location - Hikawa would be Hikawa Shrine, you think, but there are multiple Hikawa Shrines, you're pretty sure. Could be Hikawa Shrine in Minato, which would make it part of Tokyo proper, or it could be Hikawa Shrine in Saitama City. Which isn't technically part of Tokyo City but is part of the Greater Tokyo Area. You'd complain about the geography being weird, but really, Mitakihara isn't any better, what with Kasamino right there.

... Huh. Another shrine.

"How long until you ask for something else?" Kaede asks. "I quite understand the point of your demonstration, Miss Vee - the Clear Seed will last us all for a good while. Leaving one here in Tokyo will serve us well, and indebt us to you, if only by gratitude. What if we choose not to take that debt?"

"Then..." You sigh. "Then we walk away. But the offer would remain open - and I wouldn't count it as a debt, Miss Sugahara. I truly mean to give you the Clear Seed."

"I believe you," she says with bland sincerity. "Even then, gratitude may not be a chain we want to tie ourselves down with, depending on the circumstances. I'm sure you understand."

You do understand, you suppose. Historically speaking, gifting people with food has been one of the ways institutions of various stripes get others under their control - legitimate or corrupt. Heck, soup kitchens - which you've been considering as an analogy- are a way for the government to exert control, in some ways, and... well, come to that, the etymological root of the word "lord" basically translates to bread guardian. You have no intention of doing that, but it's not an unreasonable concern to total strangers.

"Didn't you want to accept the offer, Sugahara?" a voice calls from the back of the room - Kurenai, the brilliant red of her hair and what must be her costume practically glowing under the lighting.

"I said I was inclined to," Kaede says calmly, half-twisting in her seat to look back at Kurenai. "Don't get your panties in a bunch, Nakahara."

"If it helps, I have no intentions of levying any control over any continued Witch hunting you would do," you say, and shake your head. "What would be the point? You would continue to have your own supply of cleansing in addition to the Clear Seed."

"But you would withdraw it if we violated your rule of being nice, correct?" Kaede says.

"I-" You bite back your instinctive denial. "It depends. I don't believe in starving people as any kind of enforcement measure, but... if someone started trying to conquer or attack others with the free cleansing, then yes, we would have to limit access. Limit, not remove."

"Are there limits on who you'll work with?" Miss Slow Clap drawls.

A slam of fists on table almost makes you jump as a girl to the left of the auditorium explodes to her feet.

"Imai, for once in your life will you stop with your fucking weasel words?" she snarls. "You've been doing this every damn meeting for months, and all you're doing is holding things up for people who actually want to get something done. You've got a problem with Toshimichi, you've got a problem with us, you've got a problem with who the fuck else. And now, in front of visitors?"

Ah. That's a name, and that's, uh. Quite a bit of pent up anger.

"Maybe I should," Imai says silkily, turning forward once more. Her voice turns mockingly formal, stiff and dripping with the sarcasm that rolls off her smirk. "Miss Vee, since you control Grief, I'm sure you can tell what exactly a S-"

Adrenaline slows the world to a crawl.

You can complete the sentence in a dozen ways, none of them good. And you're slow for a magical girl, but even the slowest magical girl is faster than the agonizing crawl of human speech, your mind kicking into overdrive. Madoka. Hitomi.

You snatch for your phone. Grief moves faster than your hands. End call. Your friends-

Grief, of course, answering you as naturally as any of your physical limbs. Nanofog boils around you, a shimmer cutting through the air because all you need is to distort the sound. It's been an ever-present fear at the back of your mind, words and knowledge that can break people, and you've gamed out a thousand ways to respond-

Mami, already stiffening beside you, flawless reflexes responding to you shifting to battle mode. She's not the only one, either, you can feel Mika's winds stirring to life and the deepening of shadow around you as Moe's power draws inward. Following your lead, responding to danger, but this isn't a battle, but it is hostility-

The strings around Toshimichi pull taut in the same instant, flaring bright in your mind's eye with a surge of magic that's nearly incandescent. Her hand moves to the hilt of her sword.

"Stop," Toshimichi says. The word shivers through the air like the silence between lightning and thunder. Something that resonates through you, raising the hair on the back of your neck as the world...

slows

down.

Movement drags out, the delegates before you freezing in their motions, voices silenced in their throats.

Your phone buzzes with an incoming call, and you cancel it immediately.

"Trouble," you snap at Madoka and Hitomi, telepathy speeding ahead as fast as your thoughts. "Update you when I can. Not fighting."

... wait.

You turn, agonizingly slowly, to look at Mami. She's frozen mid-step, her mouth opening as of to say something. Kazumi too, standing to Mami's right, and if either of them are moving at all, you can't tell, but you yourself-

You hear Megu gasp -you think it's Megu, anyway, there's something wrong and you're turning so slowly- and it's a quiet, agonized thing. A clatter, like something falling to the floor.

"Megu? Megu, talk to me-" That's Aoi, you think, her voice panicked. "What's wrong? Akane?"

"Vee. It's Vee, look at her-" That's Akari, her voice panicked. "Akane! Akane, if you can hear me, release Vee! She's resisting somehow, Megu can't-"

You feel something snap around you, and you all but tumble to the ground, stumbling drunkenly as you spin around. Your friends are frozen, but it's not the lifeless greys of Homura's timestop, they're just stopped in their tracks. And-

Megu's collapsed to the ground, her Soul Gem-

"Shit-" you hiss under your breath.

Megu's Soul Gem boils with Grief, her back arching in agony. Aoi already has a Grief Seed out, but it's too much, she's too slow, her hand seeming to move like it's snared in whatever it is that's frozen your friends, but.

This is your domain. All it takes is a thought. Even mid-stumble, all it takes is a thought to take hold of the Grief and make it yours. Rip it away from where it doesn't belong, to leave glimmering gold crystal pristine once more.

Megu sags back onto the mat, Akari and Aoi hovering at her side. Gone are the tiny silvery puffs drifting perennially around her, now coalesced into a single, intricate structure of delicate filaments and simmering power, a thin web stretching between her... and Toshimichi. And Toshimichi herself...

Her face has gone grey, her forehead beading with sweat as stress contorts her face, her body almost inhumanly still but for the trembling of the hand locked tight around the worn hilt of her sword. Obsidian eyes stare sightlessly forward into the frozen auditorium.

"Sabrina, be careful," Oriko's voice cracks like a whip. "Whatever that was- she's not- that wasn't magic."

"What?" you blurt back at her. "What do you mean, not magic?"

"Not magic as we use it, I- I misspoke," Oriko says. You've never heard that tone of voice from her before. "It didn't catch you, but be careful."

"I will."

... Of course, you're not quite sure what you are going to do.

[] What did the Chiyoda group do?
[] What do you do?
- [] Demand your friends be released
- [] Let them set the pace
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)


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So! Bit of an unusual vote this time. See that first option? Gimme your best conclusion. That is highly relevant and will affect the next vote.
 
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"Maybe I should," Imai says silkily, turning forward once more. Her voice turns mockingly formal, stiff and dripping with the sarcasm that rolls off her smirk. "Miss Vee, since you control Grief, I'm sure you can tel-"

Time slows.

You can complete the sentence in a dozen ways, none of them good.

I do wonder what it was going to be - "tell how much grief we have" seems like the obvious thing? pointing out that they're kept starving?


"Megu? Megu, talk to me-" That's Aoi, you think, her voice panicked. "What's wrong? Akane?"

"Vee. It's Vee, look at her-" That's Akari, her voice panicked. "Akane! Akane, if you can hear me, release Vee! She's resisting somehow, Megu can't-"

You feel something snap around you, and you all but tumble to the ground, stumbling drunkenly as you spin around. Your friends are frozen, but it's not the lifeless greys of Homura's timestop, they're just stopped in their tracks. And-

Megu's collapsed to the ground, her Soul Gem-

"Shit-" you hiss under your breath.

Megu's Soul Gem boils with Grief, her back arching in agony. Aoi already has a Grief Seed out, but it's too much, she's too slow, her hand seeming to move like it's snared in whatever it is that's frozen your friends, but.

Also, looking at this... It's interesting that Toshimichi gave the command, and can end it or pull it back, but Megu is paying the price. It makes me imagine like....

An Order going out, and you have to try to make it happen, even if it costs all your magic to do so? So maybe the order fell on Megu and she's the one who actually carries out the effect. It doesn't seem like it's very voluntary for her though.

Which does seem to confirm some thoughts we had before about why they thought joining their team would instantly solve any concerns. If everyone in that particular group is bound by the magic stretching from Akane, right?
 
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Proxy magic? She definitely was borrowing from Megu for whatever trick she just pulled, but I guess by working the power through herself out must change what it is on some level..?
 
Not a time stop, clearly. Oriko Madoka and Hitomi confirm that. Maybe some kind of people stop?

We know our power sometimes results in ERROR so it might be related to controlling others powers?

It bypassed our anti mind control charms so it's probably not that.

It might be the power to control souls? We were resistant to she who shall not be named's power before.

Shame theres no mundane people here to see if it only affects magical girls



As for what we should do, first impression is to just turn to them and say they really need to explain themselves. They might interpret that as us knowing a lot more than we actually do
 
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The mechanics of what Toshimichi just did are fascinating. Obviously, we were right about those threads we saw being important - it appears they're definitely a conduit of some kind - but how the threads related to the effect still has no answers. That was a wide-area effect, it doesn't seem like the threads connect to people, but it also used too many threads to be geographically-linked.

There's also the question of what Toshimichi is drawing from the magical girls of her group. Power, obviously; they seem to be her power source, which raises all sorts of questions. Was that Megu's magic? How much did Toshimichi change it in the process of tapping it? The strong stress reaction on the part of Toshimichi suggests "a lot".

Not a time stop, clearly. Oriko Madoka and Hitomi confirm that. Maybe some kind of people stop?
That's what it looks like. Whatever it is Toshimichi does I think she works on a significantly more conceptual level than magical girls.

WRT our own reaction:

I think it would be best to let them set the pace of the response, because we kinda started the hostilities here. We had good reasons for it, but things were very clearly starting to spiral out of hand and they damn near had a Witch-out stopping us. We're not really in a position to make demands of them.

That said, we should also be firm in stating that we still want those private conversations with the rest of the Tokyo factions. We don't want to get kicked out entirely here.
 
I can not believe I called that. Mandate of Heaven indeed, if you can order people to stop and they freeze in time. As for the response, we've got time, ironically enough, so I want to bombard Toshimichi with questions about what she just did and how as a way to defuse the tension. Go full geek-out on them to help them relax.
 
Did we really start any hostilities? We reacted to an argument that was about to start with other people, and she tried to throw out a stop command before that could happen.

And if we were acting to avoid an info hazard without harming anyone it's hard to see that as something we should do more than apologize for, to me. (still not sure on the sentence, but "tell that we're the same as witches" is also plausible isn't it)
 
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Ok, time out. Time to take main points:

- Some type of magic was just unleashed that froze everyone in the auditorium save for Chiyoda and us. even then, we struggle to move any faster than a snail's pace.
- Whatever just happened nearly caused Megu to witch (Speaking of: Absolute first part of the vote MUST be to cleanse her soul gem)
- Her sparkle-sparkles now form an intricate web-like connection to Toshimichi
- Toshimichi herself has had her face turn grey, has her hand on her sword, and she seems to not fully be consious or at least is heavily focused and staring into nothing.
- Whatever magic this is originated from Toshimichi herself, and is not magic by definition of magic used by Magical Girls

Theories:
- Toshimichi used megu's powers at full blast by connecting to her, using Megu's soul gem to absorb the blowback.
- It is entirely possible that everyone may still be consious, even if they can't move.
- Those strings of Toshimichi's allow her to draw in the magic of anyone she has those strings attatched to.
-- If this is the case, she likely has access to thousand of powers, though depending on how dark Megu's gem was before this, it may be a case of immediately killing the girl whose power is used.
--- And if that's the case... It is entirely likely that Toshimichi is directly responsible for the death of the Meiji group's member.
 
@Firnagzen was all that Grief stored immediately into hammerspace, or is it looming over everyone like a cloud?

If its still there, it can be a good reminder of what we just saved Megu from. Or extra on-hand material in case hostilities start (in earnest).
 
So, what happened?

The strings around Toshimichi pull taut in the same instant, flaring bright in your mind's eye with a surge of magic that's nearly incandescent. Her hand moves to the hilt of her sword.


"Stop," Toshimichi says. The word shivers through the air like the silence between lightning and thunder. Something that resonates through you, raising the hair on the back of your neck as the world...

slows

down
.

Movement drags out, the delegates before you freezing in their motions, voices silenced in their throats.

Vee. It's Vee, look at her-" That's Akari, her voice panicked. "Akane! Akane, if you can hear me, release Vee! She's resisting somehow, Megu can't-"


Megu's Soul Gem boils with Grief, her back arching in agony. Aoi already has a Grief Seed out, but it's too much, she's too slow, her hand seeming to move like it's snared in whatever it is that's frozen your friends, but.


You feel something snap around you, and you all but tumble to the ground, stumbling drunkenly as you spin around. Your friends are frozen, but it's not the lifeless greys of Homura's timestop, they're just stopped in their tracks. And-
Her face has gone grey, her forehead beading with sweat as stress contorts her face, her body almost inhumanly still but for the trembling of the hand locked tight around the worn hilt of her sword. Obsidian eyes stare sightlessly forward into the frozen auditorium.

"Sabrina, be careful," Oriko's voice cracks like a whip. "Whatever that was- she's not- that wasn't magic."


"What?" you blurt back at her. "What do you mean, not magic?"

"Not magic as we use it, I- I misspoke," Oriko says. You've never heard that tone of voice from her before. "It didn't catch you, but be careful."

So:
• Imai was about to drop a bomb (could be witch or lich, it's not obvious).
• Toshimichi uses her strange non-meguca magic to do something.
• The effect seems to freeze everyone present in place, but is not a "true" time stop, with events outside of the range continuing normally.
• The effect is somewhat indiscriminate - Aoi is somewhat caught in it as well, so the Chiyoda group is not immune.
• Sabrina is able to resist the effect a great deal, but is not fully immune - she still feels like "time has slowed".
• The effect is fueled by Megu's soul gem.
• Because of Sabrina's resistance, things have gone wrong somehow, with Megu's soul gem filling with unsustainable amounts of grief.
• Tochimichi isn't fully in control - "if you can hear me", and "gazing sightlessly forwards".
 
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The combination of binding threads, symbology of rulership and what appears to be a mutual effect makes me think of a contract or geas-like effect. Willingly giving your capability over to a "higher power", the divine mandate empress, somebody with no special characteristic but that which they are given... that's powerful symbology, and it could explain why or how Toshimichi isn't a magical girl - she's a symbol of one made so by a wish.

That said, I'm a big Fate guy, so that sort of conceptual nonsense comes to me sooner than much else, especially in something with even hints of it like PMMM.
 
"Maybe I should," Imai says silkily, turning forward once more. Her voice turns mockingly formal, stiff and dripping with the sarcasm that rolls off her smirk. "Miss Vee, since you control Grief, I'm sure you can tel-"
I would imagine she was going to say something along the lines of: Since you control grief, you can sense it, and if you can sense grief and grief is in most girls soul gems you can effectively sense soul gems, meaning you can tell Toshimichi doesn't have one and thus is by implication not a magical girl but something else.

This would probably be something Chiyoda would want to keep secret, so quickly activating this psudo-timestop power in reaction to that secret getting out makes sense.
 
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I think it would be best to let them set the pace of the response, because we kinda started the hostilities here. We had good reasons for it, but things were very clearly starting to spiral out of hand and they damn near had a Witch-out stopping us. We're not really in a position to make demands of them.
Well the way I figure it, this is the perfect time to make demands. Their most dangerous power doesn't seem to work on us, trying will outright kill someone unless we save them. That means that they cannot attack again, which is nice because they just launched an indiscriminate attack towards everyone and were clearly planning to use some more indiscriminate attacks to clean up the evidence of it.

So, point out the fact that if Sabrina was anything other than a positively caritative soul she would have just let her attacker witch out, and make a few polite requests under unspoken, actually-not-on-the-table-but-they-don't-know-that-for-sure penalty of 'or else'.

Other options are making a big grief wall between all members of Constellation and them so they don't try a more conventional hitting people attack, which is a good safe idea. And making several active Witch doohickeys until one breaks the effect, which is the 'burn this government to the ground' option and probably not so good or safe.
 
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I've just said this, but if it's true that Toshimichi uses the powers of other magical girls, while also using their soul gems as the fuel, then it's entirely possible that at one point Toshimichi used the powers of the Meiji groups now-deceased member, and this use caused said girl to witch out due to its use (maybe it was already pretty full, or maybe her powers were that draining)

Seriously, I think this might be very, very important if I'm correct.

Well played, Firn. Well played indeed. No wonder you were cackling like a maniac.
 
I would imagine she was going to say something along the lines of: Since you control grief, you can sense it, and if you can sense grief and grief is in most girls soul gems you can effectively sense soul gems, meaning you can tell Toshimichi doesn't have one and thus is by implication not a magical girl but something else.

This would probably be something Chiyoda would want to keep secret, so quickly activating this psudo-timestop power in reaction to that secret getting out makes sense.
Nah you got the timeline wrong
  1. Imai (aka. Ms. Slow Clap) was about to tell something Grief-related, and probably damaging.
  2. Sabrina's instincts screamed 'Witch Bomb', and Mami's right there
  3. Grief nanofog fires up to distort and censor whatever sound comes next
  4. Everybody else in our group tenses up after sensing shit just went from 0-100 real quick Sabrina go into Combat Mode
  5. Toshimichi group reads this as hostile intention, deploys Walmart-Time Stop
  6. Everybody stops hammer time but Sabrina no-sells it
  7. Megu eats all the backlash from trying to control Sabrina
  8. Sabrina just saved Megu from a horrible end
  9. You are here
 
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- Those strings of Toshimichi's allow her to draw in the magic of anyone she has those strings attatched to.
-- If this is the case, she likely has access to thousand of powers, though depending on how dark Megu's gem was before this, it may be a case of immediately killing the girl whose power is used.
--- And if that's the case... It is entirely likely that Toshimichi is directly responsible for the death of the Meiji group's member.
It's not a case of immediately killing the girl. For one, that would rapidly behead Chiyoda and more importantly, the update pretty explicitly states that Sabrina's unexpected Spell Resistance is what caused Megu's near-Witchout. Presumably Toshimichi had to burn a lot more power than she normally does to even do this much to Sabrina.

Also: why Sabrina specifically? Is it the fact that she was Wished into existence, or is it related to our Grief powers? I feel the answer to that would be an important clue as to the mechanics of Toshimichi's powers.
 
Also: why Sabrina specifically? Is it the fact that she was Wished into existence, or is it related to our Grief powers? I feel the answer to that would be an important clue as to the mechanics of Toshimichi's powers.

If Toshimichi's powers are indeed about the Mandate of Heaven, as some have speculated (and which fits to a degree with what we see - she commands everyone to "Stop" and is obeyed), then Sabrina's wish being about self-control may have countered it.
 
"That wasn't magic." -- Okay, so either wish magic or ... a pre/non-Incubator magical tradition? :O

Or a physical effect imposed by magical means? Some sort of time dilation imposed by messing with spacetime?

> Sabrina's unexpected Spell Resistance

Hang on - Witch magic/barrier magic? I assume we would have felt it if it was a grief effect. I don't remember if barriers can impose effects through non-Grief means? Is she a barrierless/reverted witch?!
 
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Well the way I figure it, this is the perfect time to make demands. Their most dangerous power doesn't seem to work on us, trying will outright kill someone unless we save them. That means that they cannot attack again, which is nice because they just launched an indiscriminate attack towards everyone and were clearly planning to use some more indiscriminate attacks to clean up the evidence of it.

So, point out the fact that if Sabrina was anything other than a positively caritative soul she would have just let her attacker witch out, and make a few polite requests under unspoken, actually-not-on-the-table-but-they-don't-know-that-for-sure penalty of 'or else'.

Other options are making a big grief wall between all members of Constellation and them so they don't try a more conventional hitting people attack, which is a good safe idea. And making several active Witch doohickeys until one breaks the effect, which is the 'burn this government to the ground' option and probably not so good or safe.
I don't think playing hardball here is a good idea. Mostly because I think you're grossly mischaracterizing what Toshimichi did by calling it an "attack". It was a hold spell, and we have nothing to indicate she was going to follow it up with an actual attack.

More to the point, she had very understandable reasons for activating this hold spell. I will concede that we weren't starting hostilities - but we should acknowledge that it really looked like we were going to. Not only was Sabrina pulling up Grief in front of a bunch of people not familiar with how her powers work, but multiple of our group were prepping for combat. This could have easily ended up devolving into a fight and I don't think we should be hardballing Chiyoda over stopping that in its tracks. Conciliatory really does feel like the way to go.

Point being, this is not worth alienating anyone over, which I expect hardballing this would do.
 
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I don't think playing hardball here is a good idea. Mostly because I think you're grossly mischaracterizing what Toshimichi did by calling it an "attack". It was a hold spell, and we have nothing to indicate she was going to follow it up with an actual attack.

More to the point, she had very understandable reasons for activating this hold spell. I will concede that we weren't starting hostilities - but we should acknowledge that it really looked like we were going to. Not only was Sabrina pulling up Grief in front of a bunch of people not familiar with how her powers work, but multiple of our group were prepping for combat. This could have easily ended up devolving into a fight and I don't think we should be hardballing Chiyoda over stopping that in its tracks. Conciliatory really does feel like the way to go.
It is totally an attack though. Sure, she attacked to stop the witch bomb which could also be considered an attack, but she also hit everyone including us, instead of just the offender. A purely conciliatory approach is unwise because it implies that once we leave she can keep running her little fief entirely on mindfuckery and we won't care, which is not correct and the sooner we inform her of that the sooner she can start transitioning into literally any government that can run without mindcontrol.
 
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Hmm. Targeting others without their knowledge or permission, but... it kinda feels like a protective or defensive measure? Like if they're frozen they can't get witchbombed, type of thing. Though maybe I'm reaching for good intentions that aren't there and we're about to go full war mode idk.

Edit: left tab open while doing other things forgot to refresh didn't see the conversation mb basically just repeating what others have already deduced.
 
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