Remove ads

Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

Reader mode
Jonen C said:
(Also, I'm reasonably sure the mode of attack is root/command line access somehow, and Sabrinas wish circumvents it by giving control.)
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yes, this was effectively Power Word: Stop.

Theories:
  • Akane has authority over everything in Japan. (Akane=God-Emperor)
    • Direct wish creation? Or did she wish really good?
    • maybe explains why the magic isn't magical girl magic
    • doesn't explain why Sabrina is resistant
      • Don't tell me we count as a foreigner...!
  • Akane is a witch, and has authority over everything in her Barrier.
    • I kinda feel we would have been able to tell.
  • Akane is a Walpurgisnacht, and has authority over witches.
    • control magical girls via latent witchness/via the witch in their gem
    • sorta explains why Sabrina is resistant?
    • but we would have been able to detect grief use?
    • we haven't seen a walpurgisnacht before.
    • otoh, we've never seen a witch use magic afaict.
The thing is that "magic, not magical girl magic, not witch magic" really doesn't leave many options.

edit:
  • Akane is a true deity/descended from a true deity.
    • No reason to assume the Incubator creations to have a monopoly on magic
    • Authority totally unrelated to magical girl shenanigans
    • Explains why her magic is neither recognizable to us as witchy nor to Oriko as magical girly.
    • Have to pull in Sabrina's speculative position as Madokami creation to justify why we'd be resistant
    • She still produces grief to act.
  • => Akane is divinity, created by a wish.
    • Insane karmic cost offset by distributing the load to a group
    • Not a magical girl, not a witch, access to magic, regalia make sense if they're related to her wish.
    • Maybe reduced cost by limiting range.
    • Sabrina's immunity still requires a stretch.
 
Last edited:
FeepingCreature said:
Yes, this was effectively Power Word: Stop.

Theories:

- Akane has authority over everything in Japan. (Akane=God-Emperor)
- wish-created? Did she wish really good?
- explains why the magic isn't magical girl magic
- doesn't explain why Sabrina is resistant
- Don't tell me we count as a foreigner...!
- Akane is a witch, and has authority over everything in her Barrier.
- I kinda feel we would have been able to tell.
- Akane is a Walpurgisnacht, and has authority over witches.
- control magical girls via latent witchness/via the witch in their gem
- sorta explains why Sabrina is resistant
- but we would have been able to detect grief use?
- Akane is a direct wish creation.
- anything can happen
- we have no way to tell
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Theory 1 seems odd to me, why would she be relegated to just Tokyo then?
Theory 2 and 3 are almost certainly wrong, we'd feel her witchyness/entire being made of grief if it were true, ans so would everyone else. Which you yourself noted, so yeah.
Theory 4 seems to be the most likely answer.
 
As I see it, our priorities at this point need to be:

#1. The safety of our friends.
- Make sure that this magic going fucky doesn't threaten any of our friends with brain damage.
- This includes the mental safety of Madoka, so we need to check in with the Mitakihara observation group ASAP.

#2. The safety of all other attendees.
- This includes rendering what assistance we can to the Chiyoda group to help untangle this mess of magic without anyone getting hurt, including cleansing.

#3. Keeping the situation stable.
- We don't want a war in Tokyo. We don't want a war anywhere near Tokyo.
 
Redshirt Army said:
As I see it, our priorities at this point need to be:

#1. The safety of our friends.
- Make sure that this magic going fucky doesn't threaten any of our friends with brain damage.
- This includes the mental safety of Madoka, so we need to check in with the Mitakihara observation group ASAP.

#2. The safety of all other attendees.
- This includes rendering what assistance we can to the Chiyoda group to help untangle this mess of magic without anyone getting hurt, including cleansing.

#3. Keeping the situation stable.
- We don't want a war in Tokyo. We don't want a war anywhere near Tokyo.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
#0: Acquire as much Information as possible while not compromising our other goals.
 
Tossing into the ring for Akane speculah:

Akane is a hacked incubator, and her command line attack works by intercepting the soul gem/body connection.
EDIT; Hacking may have been done via wish.
 
Rough draft plan for de-escalation:

[X] Maximum multitasking here.
[X] Use all immediately-available sensory capabilities to check on the condition of our friends.
[X] Immediately apologize and ask if everyone is okay. Cleanse people as-needed.
-[X] If an explanation is demanded for our seeming hostility, explain we were employing a sound-disrupting barrier.
[X] Telepathically check-in with Sayaka, Madoka, and Hitomi, about Sayaka's condition. Is Sayaka caught in this effect too?
-[X] Give them, and Homura, a full update.

[X] If Toshimichi's current condition isn't typical of her utilizing this ability, tell Chiyoda that she probably needs to drop Sayaka from the effect too.
 
Jonen C said:
Tossing into the ring for Akane speculah:

Akane is a hacked incubator, and her command line attack works by intercepting the soul gem/body connection.
EDIT; Hacking may have been done via wish.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I almost want to make this Sabrina's assumption, just for the chaos. Nothing raises Sabrina's ire like the incubators.
 
Godwinson said:
[X] Immediately apologize and ask if everyone is okay. Cleanse people as-needed.
-[X] If an explanation is demanded for our seeming hostility, explain we were employing a sound-disrupting barrier.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
These seem a little sideways to me. Apologize for what, if we're only explaining our reaction if pressed? Surely we don't apologize for Megu's brain melting because of something Akane did to us. And I say this as a Canadian.
 
Godwinson said:
Rough draft plan for de-escalation:

[X] Maximum multitasking here.
[X] Use all immediately-available sensory capabilities to check on the condition of our friends.
[X] Immediately apologize and ask if everyone is okay. Cleanse people as-needed.
-[X] If an explanation is demanded for our seeming hostility, explain we were employing a sound-disrupting barrier.
[X] Telepathically check-in with Sayaka, Madoka, and Hitomi, about Sayaka's condition. Is Sayaka caught in this effect too?
-[X] Give them, and Homura, a full update.

[X] If Toshimichi's current condition isn't typical of her utilizing this ability, tell Chiyoda that she probably needs to drop Sayaka from the effect too.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Do you think that vote would carry us through to the next voting cycle? as in, do you think all the actions in that vote would take up the entire next update?

Because if not, or if we get no response from our friends that are frozen - an event that I find may be entirely likely - then I think at the very least a clip-notes explanation of what the magic is doing might be good.
 
Angrygenius said:
Do you think that vote would carry us through to the next voting cycle? as in, do you think all the actions in that vote would take up the entire next update?

Because if not, or if we get no response from our friends that are frozen - an event that I find may be entirely likely - then I think at the very least a clip-notes explanation of what the magic is doing might be good.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Please note that I clearly indicated it was a rough draft, for handling de-escalation. I was not presenting it as a whole vote.
 
[X] Hypothesis: The Chiyoda group used Tochimichi's strange non-meguca magic to freeze everyone present in place, either in reaction to Imai dropping an infohazard, Constellation going to war mode, or both. Things went wrong because you were able to resist it somehow.

[X] What do you do?
- [X] Mea culpa your own reaction coming across as threatening, immediately offer your full unconditional aid to untangle this without anyone getting hurt. Continue to provide cleansing.
-- [X] If an explanation is demanded for your seeming hostility, explain you were employing a sound-disrupting barrier.
- [X] Simultaneously, with multitasking: Use grief to check on the condition of your friends.
- [X] Simultaneously, with multitasking: Contact Madoka, Homura, Hitomi with telepathy. Ask about Sayaka's status.
-- [X] Give them, and Homura, a full update.

[X] Afterwards:
-[X] Work with the Chiyoda group to untangle the effect in a way that will ensure that neither your friends nor the general meeting audience are harmed.
-[X] To the degree that is possible, try to avoid having this incident escalate into a full-blown Tokyo conflict.
 
Last edited:
Social deescalate action. Calm everybody down. KILL THE TWO-SIDES DYNAMIC BEFORE IT CAN GET ANYWHERE. Focus positives and we'll go places.

[X] Tone: calm, even appreciative.
[X] Look, we knew beforehand that you're doing this and we don't really care. I said I approved of you saving lives by keeping peace and I meant it. I even expected the exact circumstances you were doing it in response to, because infohazards are exactly what draw the response of memory wipes and exposure to the truth of witches in particular is the kind of thing that can drive aggression in Imai's manner.
-[X] Our group handles this type of thing internally with a social mechanism where people either know the darker truths or know that there *are* darker truths and decide they don't want hear them, instead trusting their friends who do know to take care of it. There are a large number of realities where Constellation ends up thanking them for their handling of this, and more personally, Mami does not know the truth of witches and they have just prevented that being forced on her against her will.
--[X] You do, however, expect a fuller, more honest explication of some issues, including their ability to not subject your group to a mindwipe. Does that sound reasonable?

[X] If at any point anybody tries to threaten you or suggest threatening you:
-[X] You would prefer it if neither of your parties would initiate anything that could be remotely considered a threat right now. In the interest of transparency, you *are* under active observation from Mitakihara right now, *and* in telepathic communication. Your goal here is to deescalate and calm the situation, and get everyone the best possible outcome.
 
Last edited:
Kaizuki said:
[X] Look, we knew beforehand that you're doing this and we don't really care. I said I approved of you saving lives by keeping peace and I meant it. I even expected the exact circumstances you were doing it in response to, because infohazards are exactly what draw the response of memory wipes and exposure to the truth of witches in particular is the kind of thing that can drive aggression in Imani's manner.
-[X] Our group handles this type of thing internally with a social mechanism where people either know the darker truths or know that there *are* darker truths and decide they don't want hear them, instead trusting their friends who do know to take care of it. There are a large number of realities where Constellation ends up thanking them for their handling of this, and more personally, Mami does not know the truth of witches and they have just prevented that being forced on her against her will.
--[X] You do, however, expect a fuller, more honest explication of some issues, including their ability to not subject your group to a mindwipe. Does that sound reasonable?

[X] If at any point anybody tries to threaten you or suggest threatening you:
-[X] You would prefer it if neither of your parties would initiate anything that could be remotely considered a threat right now. In the interest of transparency, you *are* under active observation from Mitakihara right now, *and* in telepathic communication. Your goal here is to deescalate and calm the situation, and get everyone the best possible outcome.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

This seems like a very slow and monologue-y way to respond to a crisis where half of the Chiyoda group members are either unconscious or writhing in pain and everything is on the express train to hell. I fully expect the response to this vote to be an exasperated "get on with it!" halfway through the first line. This is crisis time, not talk time.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top