Already on it, and thank you. When it comes to social 101, body language and tone are lessons one and two. We say entire paragraphs with the way we stand and speak even before we process the words themselves, and speaking as someone who had to learn all this stuff the hard way because it's not naturally wired in, Homura would probably love a comprehensive breakdown of what all the various lilts and gestures mean in different contexts'.
Can I get this course as well please? Because this would make interacting with people a lot easier.
I'd like to third this course request. (even if it's probably too late in my case, too much built-up bitterness over a ton of shit, became an asshole, thoroughly unpleasant at the best of times)
 
Slightly less fresh than me :p

Can I get this course as well please? Because this would make interacting with people a lot easier.
I'd like to third this course request. (even if it's probably too late in my case, too much built-up bitterness over a ton of shit, became an asshole, thoroughly unpleasant at the best of times)

Unfortunately I'm no expert, but here's a good starting point. Try recording yourself saying something while both smiling and not. You might notice they sound different. That's because the smile shapes the resonance of your voice and makes you sound more chipper and upbeat. Forcing a smile (my preferred way is by thinking of something funny) before starting a conversation can help shape the tone and general nature of that conversation in a positive direction, even if you don't keep said smile for the duration. This is called Social Contagion, where we change how we act based based on how others are acting towards us, and it applies to everything we do.
 
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Already on it, and thank you. When it comes to social 101, body language and tone are lessons one and two. We say entire paragraphs with the way we stand and speak even before we process the words themselves, and speaking as someone who had to learn all this stuff the hard way because it's not naturally wired in, Homura would probably love a comprehensive breakdown of what all the various lilts and gestures mean in different contexts'.

Ah, i'm not certain that's totally true? Or rather assumption that Homura is ignorant of such.
The update before the current one took that assumption, but it turned out that Homura was in fact aware how she was presenting herself, she just didn't think she had any better options. She probably has at least the basics of the theory down, and just needs more practice using it in context?
Being less guarded and doing the whole "give and take" of social interaction.
 
Ah, i'm not certain that's totally true? Or rather assumption that Homura is ignorant of such.
The update before the current one took that assumption, but it turned out that Homura was in fact aware how she was presenting herself, she just didn't think she had any better options. She probably has at least the basics of the theory down, and just needs more practice using it in context?
Being less guarded and doing the whole "give and take" of social interaction.

That's fair. I'd still want to check, just in case, but if she does understand the basics we could move on to more complex examples after making sure.
 
Oh right, I forgot, Firn put an extra day into the vote.

Damn.

(Also people are going back and reacting to stuff from me from September what did I do)
 
I am thankful for the derails.

This is a heavy quest, and a heavier moment in the current scene, so being collectively distracted with eldritch geometries of retail stores and the like, does wonders to keep spirits up, as votecrafting nerves are temporarily redirected towards more comfortably familiar topics.
 
I am thankful for the derails.

This is a heavy quest, and a heavier moment in the current scene, so being collectively distracted with eldritch geometries of retail stores and the like, does wonders to keep spirits up, as votecrafting nerves are temporarily redirected towards more comfortably familiar topics.
You're welcome. I try my best :D

In all seriousness though, It's mainly because I have the attention span of a guppy on things I don't particularly know/care about.
 
Speaking of light hearted, did the QM ever make a post lamenting the fact we managed to hunt down and defeat the intended main antagonist three days into the story? Because I would love to read that, I bet it's hilarious.

Edit: I'm actually interested in hindsight posts in general, because there's a bunch of things worth looking back on and laughing about.
 
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Speaking of light hearted, did the QM ever make a post lamenting the fact we managed to hunt down and defeat the intended main antagonist three days into the story? Because I would love to read that, I bet it's hilarious.
Considering Firn has done a damn good job putting in plenty of other villians of the week, I don't really think so.
 
Was it the Kures? Because infinite timestop is one hell of a drug.

Yes, them. They're mentioned by name in the A.N. of the very first chapter as a primary antagonist, and we managed to capture and later flip them almost before they had a chance to get going.

Considering Firn has done a damn good job putting in plenty of other villians of the week, I don't really think so.

Ah well, it was worth a shot.
 
I had assumed the Kures were supposed to be our antagonists for a while, then when we defeated them, we'd get Oriko's warning about Feathers, and the reveal that everything Oriko had done was to make us stronger and more united in the face of the terrible threat that was looming in the background. I'm pretty sure she was meant to stick around longer than she did, but she was never going to be the main threat. Basically, she was the Disk 1 boss.

And I need to say that despite the regrets of how we did it, I'm glad the thread priortized saving Oriko from her own martyr complex. Reading us trying over and over again to convince Oriko to choose to live before resorting to the threat against Kirika to snap her out of it was the most tense this quest has ever been for me.
 
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I had assumed the Kures were supposed to be our antagonists for a while, then when we defeated them, we'd get Oriko's warning about Feathers, and the reveal that everything Oriko had done was to make us stronger and more united in the face of the terrible threat that was looming in the background. I'm pretty sure she was meant to stick around longer than she did, but she was never going to be the main threat. Basically, she was the Disk 1 boss.

And I need to say that despite the regrets of how we did it, I'm glad the thread priortized saving Oriko from her own martyr complex. Reading us trying over and over again to convince Oriko to choose to live before resorting to the threat against Kirika to snap her out of it was the most tense this quest has ever been for me.

Yeah, that final exchange is my favorite part, oddly enough. Seeing us finally get through to her, especially in such a horrible manner, stuck in my mind well enough that I went hunting for that scene to reread it after I was done. It's stellar quality.

I've seen many, many antagonists do a heel-face-turn or get redeemed without any of the necessary buildup to make it believable. Starlight Glimmer is the most egregious example, but not the only one, and that failure is why she works better as a villain than a hero. Screwing up this kind of character arc can even ruin a story as a whole, that's how important and tetchy it is.

Here, however? Oriko's change of heart is not even remotely dubious or unjustified. We rubbed her face in what had to be her worst nightmare, told her we'd make it happen if she didn't stop being so stubborn, and it worked. The QM managed to strike the perfect balance between, "Oh God what have we done," and, "Finally, it's about time!" and the end result is a scene so good I'm having trouble describing it. The only thing I can do is stare in open awe. That, and be happy that Bestbuddy! got to live and brighten our days going forward.
 
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Alright, no. I apologise, but the update needs more time to bake, and my schedule has slipped to an annoying degree. I'm postponing this update until my Sunday, and I'm going to use that to try and reset my schedule back to Sunday updates.
 
Alright, no. I apologise, but the update needs more time to bake, and my schedule has slipped to an annoying degree. I'm postponing this update until my Sunday, and I'm going to use that to try and reset my schedule back to Sunday updates.
How do you write the things you write, anyway? it feels like you aren't even writing sometimes, it just feels like we're controlling an avatar through an alternate universe.

EDIT: That's a compliment
 
Yeah, that final exchange is my favorite part, oddly enough. Seeing us finally get through to her, especially in such a horrible manner, stuck in my mind well enough that I went hunting for that scene to reread it after I was done. It's stellar quality.

I've seen many, many antagonists do a heel-face-turn or get redeemed without any of the necessary buildup to make it believable. Starlight Glimmer is the most egregious example, but not the only one, and that failure is why she works better as a villain than a hero. Screwing up this kind of character arc can even ruin a story as a whole, that's how important and tetchy it is.

Here, however? Oriko's change of heart is not even remotely dubious or unjustified. We rubbed her face in what had to be her worst nightmare, told her we'd make it happen if she didn't stop being so stubborn, and it worked. The QM managed to strike the perfect balance between, "Oh God what have we done," and, "Finally, it's about time!" and the end result is a scene so good I'm having trouble describing it. The only thing I can do is stare in open awe. That, and be happy that Bestbuddy! got to live and brighten our days going forward.
Yeah, it was very tense. It's important to remember that the quest updates on IRL time, while in-quest time tends to travel far, far faster. Thus, while the hunt had seemed long to Homura and Mami, to Sabrina, the entire thing had been going on for weeks, and every time Oriko was being her mysterious, uncooperative self, everyone's patience frayed further and further. Then there was the fact that Homura was 100% for executing Oriko and Kirika, and we knew that the only way we'd be able to convince her to allow a different outcome would be if Oriko actually cooperated and dropped the mysteriousness. In an act of desperation, exasperation, exhaustion, frustration, and anger, we went "enough with this bullshit--if she doesn't drop the act with this, then there's no chance she'll ever be straightforward and cooperative, and we can move on from this mess for good". And Oriko was reminded, rather pointedly, that a common fate of Magical Girls is something far worse than death, and so her martyr complex and suicidal tendencies got a cold, hard slap to the face about the reality of the situation. Any notion that she and Kirika would get a quick, dignified death with Oriko having the last laugh (well, by appearances, anyway) was shattered, because the one girl that Oriko could not predict at all reliably had the power and the motivation to inflict a fate far worse than death on the one person she loved while forcing her to watch.

Of course, there is quite a bit of irony involved: Sabrina never even considered following through with the threat, no matter what Oriko said or did, and yet, because Sabrina was the only one Oriko could not really predict, she had no way of knowing that (especially because Sabrina had only existed for a few days at that point, and so had no real history to draw upon for her character). It would be Sabrina who would treat her and Kirika the best and most sympathetically--from the get-go, too. Indeed, Sabrina would be the one stubbornly trying to help Oriko and shake her out of her suicidal outlook and fatalism.

And though Sabrina sincerely apologized for what she threatened to do that night, she never (despite my vote on the matter...) explained that the threat had been a bluff all along--our last, desperate attempt to get her to speak straightforwardly and cooperate so that we could convince Homura to spare them. But there is, at least, the consolation in the fact that Oriko got to see repeatedly that Sabrina would, time and again, directly intervene in the problems and conflicts of others to help them or save them, even when it put herself in danger. And how Sabrina would be rather shockingly merciful to her defeated enemies, even the ones who had tried to kill her. Indeed, Sabrina's experimentation into de-witching magical girls (and desire to prevent the witching-out of other magical girls, even ones she doesn't know) illustrate how she really feels about magical girls becoming Witches.

Both Oriko and Kirika are very awesome and memorable characters, and this quest has by far the best rendition of them I've ever seen.
 
And incredibly cute together. Romance is possibility the hardest genre in general to properly land, and theirs comes off as sweet, caring, and rock solid. Makes me want a relationship like it, in fact.
Everytime I look at a relationship in this thread, I feel a pang of sadness knowing I'll probably never find something like it.

Oh well. Back to shitposting.

Ermm... Ummm...

Shit. Got nothin'
 
Guys, I just had a thought. What if the feathers aren't coming from our witch or Homura at all? What if they're from Madoka's witch in the last timeline, just like her wish made us? Someone determined to fix everything being counteracted by something determined to break everything. It would fit the power scale, at least. I haven't looked through all the dicussion here, so if this has come up before please let me know.
 
Guys, I just had a thought. What if the feathers aren't coming from our witch or Homura at all? What if they're from Madoka's witch in the last timeline, just like her wish made us? Someone determined to fix everything being counteracted by something determined to break everything. It would fit the power scale, at least. I haven't looked through all the dicussion here, so if this has come up before please let me know.
Gretchen isn't determined to "break everything", at least according to herself. She wants to create a "heaven" and won't stop until that is achieved.

Apparently Magia Record implied that her Labyrinth is basically a World of Silence.
 
I just want to say I love you all and appreciate everyone for being relatively nice to one another, even if you disagree with one another.

Yes I have been in the political forums recently.
 
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