Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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[X] "All right, let's go home, girls. I don't know about you, but after all that, I could use a bit of rest."
[X] Head home.
[X] "Mami, do you have any idea what you just did?"
-[X] "That was all you there. All I did was provide you with some moral support."
-[X] "You're stronger than you give yourself credit for."
-[X] "By the way, I think we should prepare something for Kyouko and Yuma. We want them to feel welcome when they arrive, and it's said that the way to a person's heart is through their stomach."
[X] Head home.
[X] "Mami, do you have any idea what you just did?"
-[X] "That was all you there. All I did was provide you with some moral support."
-[X] "You're stronger than you give yourself credit for."
-[X] "By the way, I think we should prepare something for Kyouko and Yuma. We want them to feel welcome when they arrive, and it's said that the way to a person's heart is through their stomach."
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Yeah, I noticed something was wrong, but couldn't find what, good catch. To be fair, Mami easily eclipses all continuity errors by her triumph over Kyouplomacy.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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Did you not have a friend as a kid whose house you might occasionally refer to as "home" either by accident or on purpose?
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Not really. We've lived too far from each other to refer to a sleepover in that way.
Like, it happened occasionally, but not with such regularity that I would call his home mine.
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- Right where I am
I'm not sure apologizing for not giving her Kyouko's story is really appropriate. Mostly because I'm confused about how explicit the permission we got from Kyouko was. All I remember of it even coming up was like 3/4ths into this vote as a sudden insight into the wording of one line that could possibly be interpreted as permission. Even if it was picked up on the vote before the meet up I don't think discussion would have been in favor of telling Mami beforehand without more explicit permission from Kyouko.
If it was more clear that we genuinely forgot an agreed upon obligation I wouldn't really have any issues, but with how vague the agreement with Kyouko was I don't think we really have a solid reason to apologise for forgetting to do something we can't be sure we would have actually done - even if we had remembered.
I do think that the general sentiment should be expressed, though. I'm just not sure what form that would take.
If it was more clear that we genuinely forgot an agreed upon obligation I wouldn't really have any issues, but with how vague the agreement with Kyouko was I don't think we really have a solid reason to apologise for forgetting to do something we can't be sure we would have actually done - even if we had remembered.
I do think that the general sentiment should be expressed, though. I'm just not sure what form that would take.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I know Kyouko is talented, Firn, but I think this is taking it a little too far.
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Anyway, goddamn did Mami handle that well. Frankly, I was quite surprised--when Kyouko made that stab about how many people had left her, she barely even reacted. And Mami saw through what Kyouko was doing right away. The fact that Mami managed to put a ribbon on her without anyone--not even Sabrina--noticing is just...fucking Mami, man.
We ought to reassure Sayaka that her contribution was perfect, too. She might be berating herself for her indecision and inaction, but that level of action on her part was perfect, here.
And then Homura got to see first hand, in a way she can intuitively grasp and measure, how being Mami's friend, openly and unreservedly, helped her weather numerous things that would have either broken her in past loops or been deemed too risky to even try.
And yes, let's make a welcoming feast for Kyouko and Yuma. If there's one way to ensure that she actually stays over instead of just visiting tonight, it's telling her that you and Mami have made a big meal for her and Yuma--not only will she be incentivized by Mami's cooking (and a whole lot of it), but she'll have her whole "don't waste food" shtick pushing her to not let such a meal go to waste.
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Okay, so my understanding of the plan for Kyoko's backstory was that we'd let give Kyoko the oportunity to tell it herself first. Mami already took charge in the conversation about when we have the conversation about Kyoko's backstory, so I figure we'll make the offer after she's had a chance to come down a little, with the added note about Kyoko agreeing on the point and just not having been up to it in the moment.
[X] Say something to Sayaka/Homura
-[X] Thank them both for being here. It helped.
[X] Head home
[X] Talk to Mami
-[X] You are so proud of her. And the ribbon thing she did in the middle of all that was icing on the cake.
-[X] Offer to fill Mami in about Kyouko's story.
--[X] You hoped Kyoko would be up to telling the story herself, but when you arranged the meeting, the plan was always that Mami would get the details
-[X] Ask her what she thinks about this whole thing
[X] Prepare something for Kyouko
-[X] Taiyaki?
[X] Say something to Sayaka/Homura
-[X] Thank them both for being here. It helped.
[X] Head home
[X] Talk to Mami
-[X] You are so proud of her. And the ribbon thing she did in the middle of all that was icing on the cake.
-[X] Offer to fill Mami in about Kyouko's story.
--[X] You hoped Kyoko would be up to telling the story herself, but when you arranged the meeting, the plan was always that Mami would get the details
-[X] Ask her what she thinks about this whole thing
[X] Prepare something for Kyouko
-[X] Taiyaki?
I had thought so too, until Firn said this:
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Inb4 Kyouko self-recriminates herself into believing that since Mami and Sabrina can cook for Yuma, they should adopt her and Kyouko should just fuck off or whatever.
To prevent that, we need to establish the correct pecking order:
First, Mami, obviously
Second, Sabrina
Third(!), Yuma
And finally, Kyouko
Kyouko does what Yuma says, because Yuma is smarter
Nickballas
Pride is an interesting aspect of human nature.
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- Greece
Why can't I use funny and insightful?
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
As I said once, it's meow, and you have to pay for the privilege
[X] Praise Mami
-[X] Hug her.
-[X] Hug her.
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- Colorado
Sure if all you care about is an 'optimal' outcome, but I feel really weird about just telling all of someone's deepest personal secrets to a third party. Even if God says its okay.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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She said it was okay. That was the plan we made when talking to Kyoko, and I mentioned it again when we were deciding what to tell Mami back at her apartment. This isn't a recent interpretation.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
Because "Let's not tell anyone anything we know," is a recurring thing for us and it has a tendency to cause massive problems. Especially when the right information in the right place is often what could very well fix everything, or at least buy the opportunity for that to happen.
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EDIT:
[] To Sayaka: Sayaka shouldn't feel bad about not having much input here. It's always harder on the inside than it looks to anyone else.
-[] For what it's worth you were screaming internally right along with her.
[] To Mami: you said you'd catch her if she fell, but instead she caught you when you fell.
-[] Explain how you forgot your agreement with Kyouko to explain things to her ahead of time, and offer to rectify that.
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The winning vote for that section was, I believe, this one:
And the way that played out :
I mean, she didn't actually say it was OK to do it without her there but it IS Kyoko so, given what Firn said, I guess not outright vehemently disagreeing with the idea of explaining at all was meant to be implicit permission that we could, or just that Kyoko wouldn't have done more than grumble even if not.
Even if it would've ensured a 100% success rate on the reconciliation attempt, there's just something heartening about seeing Mami doing it all on her own. Might possibly be better in the long run too - that kind of resilience is the sort of thing Mami will need to have for when the inevitable Witchbomb hits.
And hey, maybe if we're lucky, she can even repeat that performance when Homura gets hit with the Potentialbomb and starts blaming herself for her Wish ending up killing loved ones just like Kyoko. They've got the same senpai-kohai relationship too, even if Mami doesn't remember any of it.
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- Colorado
I thought we were talking about whether to clarify Kyouko's backstory to everyone in the next vote. Which I'm uncomfortable with and don't think is actually necessary. People can actually talk to each other without us to hold their hand the entire way, as this last update proves.
If I was misunderstanding something I apologize.
Randomly, really randomly, I had a thought as I was rereading a part... What if Homura is the thing that Oriko is prophecizing will kill her (and best buddy) but is refusing to tell who it is to sabrina because she is being a self sacrificing idiot as she usually does.
I have a thought that homura will reach a point where she doesn't want to take chances since this loop is going so well at the endgame and might just do it.
I have a thought that homura will reach a point where she doesn't want to take chances since this loop is going so well at the endgame and might just do it.
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Absolutely not. This was a great outcome for Mami, and the situation with Kyoko went better than I was expecting honestly.
Optimizing, micromanaging, and second guessing ourselves, replaying events over and over in our head looking for things we could have done better, that hasn't been good for our mom's mental health. I think we need to just take the win.
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