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jmcdavid said:
Not sure that's going to happen.

Reason I say this is because the previous loop was literally the one from show canon, with Madoka's wish being changed to "I want to fix everything." And thus, Sabrina the Teenage Meguca was born. :V
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Madoka makes a lot of wishes in canon and yet her potential kept increasing because Homura was turning her into the center of karmic destiny by looping; she wasn't getting less potential. Even assuming that Madoka's potential resets in the past loop (plausible), the fact that Homura looped should have had increased her potential.
I got the impression that since this is something cubie can use to mess with Homura, Sabrina wanted to defuse that particular bomb? Might be wrong, but I see the logic in that.
 
AionVal said:
Madoka makes a lot of wishes in canon and yet her potential kept increasing because Homura was turning her into the center of karmic destiny by looping; she wasn't getting less potential. Even assuming that Madoka's potential resets in the past loop (plausible), the fact that Homura looped should have had increased her potential.
I got the impression that since this is something cubie can use to mess with Homura, Sabrina wanted to defuse that particular bomb? Might be wrong, but I see the logic in that.
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Can't use that against the Homu if she's already aware of it, which has happened because the loop just before this WAS the canon series.
 
jmcdavid said:
Oh my.

Well, that's a ticking time bomb that needs to be safely defused.
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That's pretty much the sentiment here. The problem is, we don't know how.

And the last time Homura found out, she fell into despair and almost Witched while fighting Walpurgisnacht, since she didn't want to loop back and make everything worse again, by her own words.

Soooooo. We twiddle our thumbs and wait for divine inspiration, I guess.
But seriously, I'm pretty sure there's no good way to tell this, and if we don't, Kyubey will.
 
Raiseth said:
That's pretty much the sentiment here. The problem is, we don't know how.

And the last time Homura found out, she fell into despair and almost Witched while fighting Walpurgisnacht, since she didn't want to loop back and make everything worse again, by her own words.

Soooooo. We twiddle our thumbs and wait for divine inspiration, I guess.
But seriously, I'm pretty sure there's no good way to tell this, and if we don't, Kyubey will.
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Get Madoka to do it.

Sabrina may not have leverage on her own, but if Madoka tells Kyubey she won't contract if he potentialbombs Homura, then he wont tell her.

This does require her to know that Homura is a time traveler, but seeing as Oriko listed her as one of the ways Homura gets potentialbombed, its quite likely she will learn in the future.
 
Raiseth said:
That's pretty much the sentiment here. The problem is, we don't know how.
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Well I did suggest easing her into it by getting her involved in de-Contracting research and thus nudge her into stumbling upon the concept of Karmic Potential on her own (and hopefully a way a manipulate karma as part of that research, which would give her some hope of reversing the karmic buildup) but besides us not having reached an appropriate point in time to bring up the notion, I'm not sure how popular it was with everyone else.

The particular variant I thought up involved bringing in Kanna Niko to head up the research and there seemed to be bunch of resistance around that idea.
Redshirt Army said:
The way that usually goes is that Firn plays into the "thread is Sabrina's thought processes" thing and has her realize that she could/should have done something else partway into the update, often when its too late to adjust things.

It's very rarely an issue - usually the vote gets settled with days to spare.
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Speaking of this, I'm going to play devil's advocate since this particular vote looks like it's going to end up either 1 of 2 ways, which is either telling Kyoko about Mami's loneliness or telling Mami about Kyoko's reasons behind the split.

I really feel like both are equally unfavorable. Mami's deep-seated loneliness isn't really our story to tell, even if her insecurity might be evident to those close to her. She does keep up her sempai facade for a reason and the last time we tried telling Kyoko that Mami missed her, Kyoko didn't believe it. Trying to do so again might, indeed, just lead to a rehash of that last conversation as another poster pointed out.

Meanwhile, Kyoko's losing the use of her Rosso Fantasma and her reasons for splitting with Mami are even less our secrets to tell. Sabrina might be close enough to Mami that Mami might trust us sharing her insecurities, but we're not in any way as close to Kyoko - and declaring that we are going to tell Mami about it anyway is the sort of ultimatum that, if it doesn't result in her trying to spear us on the spot, would probably back her into a corner and make her very uncomfortable.

Yes, it might pressure her into meeting with Mami if only to avoid us heading her off so that she can explain first on her own, but it's not nice and wouldn't score us many friendship points (might even score us negative points).

The way this vote is going, it looks like one of those two is going to win out. So I just want to throw those misgivings out there now so that if it does go up in flames, at least Sabrina can honestly say later that she had doubts over it when she throws Sayaka in front of Kyoko to extinguish the fire.

A promise to be close by enough to bail her out, maybe having cake in a highly public eating location where Mami wouldn't want to start a fight - any of these, I feel, would be enough to assuage her misgivings, even if she doesn't believe us about Mami not being out for her head.
 
Godwinson said:
[X] So your plan is that if Kyouko goes through with agreeing to this meeting, you're going to fully explain your understanding of why the fight happened to Mami -- you've avoided doing so until it was necessary because bringing up their estrangement hurts Mami -- and do your utmost to make sure that the topic of the fight is utterly obsolete. At that point, so long as Kyouko doesn't deliberately try to pick a fight, that's all you'd need to do.
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The obvious path to Godwinson's vote partially failing is if Kyouko says no and/or reacts badly to the prospect of explaining the fight to Mami from Kyouko's point of view. Doing so without Kyouko's permission would not be good, but I understood this line as "explain that you'll talk to Mami on her behalf, conditioned on her permission". So the failure mode seems pretty recoverable, and making the attempt to resolve this is worthwhile.
 
Not entirely sure if this has been tried before, but can we invite Kyouko to have dinner with Mami and Sabrina?
How would that play out?
 
Got one last idea.

[X] "I don't think Mami is going to kill you if she sees you."
[X]- "Whenever someone mentions you, she doesn't get angry. If anything, she seems to be regretful."
[X]- "I think she overreacted last time she saw you, and she wishes you could have parted on better terms."
[X]- "If she sees you again, the worst she might do is break some of your ribs when she hugs you."
[X]- "And don't worry, if I'm wrong and she does try to kill you, I'll make sure to stop her from doing it. And I'm sure Homura and Sayaka will also step in if it's necessary."
 
Just repeating shit that we've said to Kyouko before won't do any good here.

Again, we've made it clear what we believe, and just like with Homura, we need to actually take the time to break down why we believe it.
 
Let's not ignore the actual reason they broke up, because it might not have been addressed and will come back up eventually.
Particularly:
• Kyouko feeding people to familiars to sustainably farm them until they grow into full witches capable of dropping soul-cleansing food.
• This makes Mami angry and makes her think Kyouko is a bad person and threat to humanity and an evil magical girl who has to die every time she does it.
• Because Mami will Tetris the people she loves if that's what it takes to save the innocent. Mami probably did try to kill Kyouko when she found out.
There's an actual difference in ideology here that just getting hugs won't resolve.
So we need Kyouko to swear to only eat ethically-sourced soul-cleansing food. Which of course, we can provide.
And we need Mami to be a little less self-righteously trigger-happy when it comes to differences in ideology among the starving.
This may also help disarm the consequences of witchbomb down the line, to a path that doesn't lead to Tetris.
 
Okay, one more idea.

[X] "To be fair, Mami takes her role as a protector very seriously. Finding out that you were farming Familiars was probably what set her off."
[X]- "Now, in the past, I'm not sure how you could have resolved this problem. But now that I'm here, you don't really need to farm Familiars anymore."
[X]- "In other words, if you promise Mami that you'll rely on my help if you need cleanses instead of using your old habits, I think the worst you'll get are some bruised ribs from her hug."
 
The idea with my vote was to address Kyouko's request, that is how does Sabrina intend to ensure Mami does not shot Kyouko during their meeting. I was trying to provide a vote that does have Sabrina be so... controlling. I want to facilitate their meeting not force it all together.

Also, I thought Kyouko merely allowed familiars to roam rather than kill them, to allow them to become witches? I don't think she actively fed people to them. Still sucks but its rather like letting crocodiles eat people because you can ONLY eat crocodiles. You're not feeding people to the crocodiles but still.
 
rkyeun said:
Let's not ignore the actual reason they broke up, because it might not have been addressed and will come back up eventually.
Particularly:
• Kyouko feeding people to familiars to sustainably farm them until they grow into full witches capable of dropping soul-cleansing food.
• This makes Mami angry and makes her think Kyouko is a bad person and threat to humanity and an evil magical girl who has to die every time she does it.
• Because Mami will Tetris the people she loves if that's what it takes to save the innocent. Mami probably did try to kill Kyouko when she found out.
There's an actual difference in ideology here that just getting hugs won't resolve.
So we need Kyouko to swear to only eat ethically-sourced soul-cleansing food. Which of course, we can provide.
And we need Mami to be a little less self-righteously trigger-happy when it comes to differences in ideology among the starving.
This may also help disarm the consequences of witchbomb down the line, to a path that doesn't lead to Tetris.
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Um. The Different Story outright shows us the actual scene of their break up. It was Kyouko, after her family's death, talking about how they should just use magic for themselves and not hunt Familiars because they can't afford it, and that justice is a load of bullshit. Mami was heartbroken, they argued, Mami let her go like everyone else she tried to bond with. Kyouko just hurt the worse. there was no escalation to violence. I don't know where you're getting the idea that Mami will tetris people over differences of opinion, that literally never happened.

And for the last fucking time, Kyouko doesn't literally feed people to Familiars.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Mami was heartbroken, they argued, Mami let her go like everyone else she tried to bond with. Kyouko just hurt the worse. there was no escalation to violence
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This seems to be contradicted by the last conversation we had with her, where we had to rebut 'Mami tried to kill me'-- whatever happened, there was certainly some escalation of violence there.
 
Since I was requested to bring this pun here to ensure it entered Sabrina's head:

If you somehow got two Madokas in one place, would you have... Madoska?
 
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