Yknow I have no idea and I actually kind of doubt it's got any real relation to PMMM's plot, given that -- I mean, it's casting the whole "soul in a rock" thing in a positive light, and whatnot...

But on the other hand, it does imply that these people had--

a...

way...

to get the soul back out of the rock...

...

Nah. No way. Nope. Must've been some kind of hoax related to soul gems.
The inversion is certainly there. The appreciation was that this is an older source placing "soul of a living person moved into a rock" as a possibility. I know no other plots older yet, with content just like this. Egyptian stuff wouldn't count, as they have a very different concept of Soul. As far as "moving the soul back out of the rock," OurMilageMayVary. IRL, I don't think they moved any souls at any time. It's just a concept. The logic of their preaching, however is possibly something we could learn from, and use.

Its not impossible, magic is something native to species that possess emotions, not incubator clarktech
But I dont know if its something that can actualy be accessed without help. It might be that the incubators "uncork" your magical power for lack of a better term, allow the magical potential you already possess to be actualized. And without them it will remain just that, potential
Yup. Matched my idea, but I can try to decorate it.
Magic isn't just native to some species here, it is a component of the Universe. The possibility of Magic would be like one of the constants in the Standard Model. Matter, and then Life developed with this as a background condition.
Maybe that is why Magic is occulted, and rare? To properly direct and control Magic, an emotional being is required. Or, nothing short of intelligent life is required, intelligence and that extra factor must be joined. What would other cases of Magic use result in?

That might explain why only Sufficiently Advanced technology can easily let humans use Magic. If Magic energy were released by an algae cell, or an ant, what would the result be? My model says that these would either immediately destroy the caster, or lead to an extinction event for the rest of the life around it later. Probably dragging the caster down too. Life would have hit this problem many times, until the whole ecosystem developed safeguards to prevent biological access to the Magic domain. After that, Life would be able to advance in the way we understand it. The safety would be built in really deep, just as death is a precondition to multicellular complex animals. Evolved life now includes control systems that are up to the job, but the choice to transact with Magic energy has been cut off already.

I've been wondering if it would be possible to teach Madoka how to use magic without turning her soul into a rock. It would let her defend herself and maybe feel more useful without breaking Homura's promise, and it would provide a clean way to get out of the evil cabbit's clutches. It sounds like it would be difficult at best, maybe impossible, though, and it might provoke Kyuubey into direct action.
Orthodoxy, easily obtained. Ask QM.

If I answer, you get fantasy...
I think Homura would have Words with us about that. Good thing, "That won't be neccessary!"

Humans can't (properly) use Magic. If they ever do, it is nearly invisible. But how do they "have" so much Potential? If one converts to the other, does it not stand to reason that both have some sort of effect as a consequence of simply existing? What is the consequence of high potential, if casting magic isn't it?
Kinetic potential energy could be "height." The object won't have kinetic energy, until that height is traded away.
Without being "fast," the object with great potential energy under gravity is going to possess a coordinate position - it will be way up there. IRL, that also means different circumstances than matter not located in the same place.

If I understand it correctly, Madoka IS magic, right now. In multiple senses, in fact. Part of her Potential is bound into Madokami. Some is moving in the H-M causality loop, generating more potential. Some is energizing Sabrina, and probably everyone else. The remaining Potential is still "hooge" enough to be the source of Kreimhilde Gretchen in this timeline.
So, this comes down to basics.
What is Potential? Or, what does it affect?
All that Potential must mean something, beyond robo-calls from the Incubator...

I suspect Madoka cannot, even more than others, cast magic as she is now. It would mess with the "balance." By the definition of "optimizer," Kyuubey doesn't hack that balance for Contracts, only because it doesn't work.

If she practices using the Enchantment of others, I'd advise us to have the camera out! We just might see a whisp of leakage that way. Not planet-cracking malfunctions, but who knows what sort of admin-code silliness we would be measuring? As a baseline, what if Enchantment she holds acts as intended and seems to use - no magic power at all - until she ceases to be the one directing it?

OTOH, should the fate of so many Earths not affect something in everyday physics?
Maybe this works (at 10^-18 multiplier) for all Potential humans? Is that how Potential is sensed? It would explain Kyuubey mounting sub-atomic resolution matter scan capability on Contract drones.
Look in Madoka's shadows, for they are they dreams of a hundred worlds. My expectation is that her "soft power" would be immense - nearly as great as any Wish, but wrapped in quantum diffusion. She never sees it, we never watch things change, but somehow the reality just out of view bends. It might include a synergistic random component. Concentrating or asking or rituals would result in nothing. This isn't a Haruhi power, it is more along the lines of the artwork - Madoka is tied to the world. Serendipity and "random" variables are depending upon her. Her weight changes what happens, but it cannot equal "control," that is what her Witch is.
 
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After 22 years of being eternally trapped as a 10-year-old, Ash Ketchum finally became the Alola Pokemon League Champion.
Homura's only been trying to rescue Madoka for about half that, so remember that your dreams are always within reach.
 
Office Complex pt. 9
It's not that hard a decision.

"I think this is more your story to tell than mine, Miss Tsuruya," you say. You had a part in it -a major part, even- but it was her people, her mission, and this is her turf. You doubt she's going to cast aspersions on you either, since you're allies, and besides, you're curious about how she might frame the events.

Lots of good reasons.

And here's one last one: it's a bit true that you talk a lot. You like to control conversations. Talking is good, because it means people aren't fighting. You don't want to fight, and you don't want people to fight. You want them to sit down and talk, because fighting doesn't resolve differences. It just puts one party in a position to force the other to listen.

Sometimes that's necessary.

Sometimes people need to be forced to listen. You hate that.

But not here. Not today. Not here and now. You can afford to relinquish control.

Yuki quirks an eyebrow at you and shrugs before turning back to the Hirano group.

"Did you hear about our job in Sendai?" she asks, tilting her head in a rather cutesy way.

"Somewhat," Hina says in a judiciously neutral tone.

"Hah. And that's what she really wants out of the story. Gossip." Yuki's murmur passes right into your mind without the intervention of your ears at the same time as she speaks out loud. "My girls were hired by Hamasaki Akiko, from the Sendai group - we were to fight alongside them."

"Is that bad?" you ask, disguising any microexpressions or whatever you might have made with a gulp from the mug Hina handed you - which, it turns out, is full of green tea sweetened with honey. You prop yourself up with one arm on the picnic blanket, taking in the scenery and listening as Yuki explains.

"Oh?" Hina asks, eyes bright.

"It looked like a minor turf war that had been simmering for months, and was about to spiral into a full-fledged conflict. And of course, we didn't know that Miss Vee would be weighing in... or Tomoe Mami," Yuki says with a sheepish shrug and smile. "It's just what she's like. She loves gossip."

"Tomoe Mami? She was there?" Hina says, leaning forward a little - perhaps unconsciously. You can see Diana roll her eyes, out of Hina's line of sight. She shrugs when she sees you looking.

You're sort of curious about her story, you have to admit.

"She was!" Yuki says brightly. "I sent my girls in, of course. Atsuko, Sasami, Moe. And they, along with the entirety of the Sendai team, ran headlong into the Mitakihara group. Smack!" Yuki emphasizes it with a slap of her palm against her thigh. "And they were healed, and sent away with a scolding for collateral damage. Miss Vee offered them a deal at the time, but they didn't stay to hear it out."

Well-deserved is one way to put it. You're still more than a little sour about the whole mess. Casualties.

Feh.

You put that aside, shaking yourself a little.

"The Sendai University group was there too," you note, vaguely beholden to defend them as well. "And they did their share of the fighting, too."

"But... you're allies now?" Hina asks, goggling a little.

"Miss Vee was persistent enough to seek further contact," Yuki says, smiling brightly. "This time, I took the opportunity to find out a little more, and, yes, I thought it would be better to be punching out with her. So we drew up a defence pact!"

"Huh!" Hina says, rocking backwards. "That's really cool! There's a Mitakihara coalition now?"

"This, I think, would be best left to Miss Vee to explain," Yuki says. She gestures towards you, raising her own mug for a sip.

"Well..." you say, blinking at the sudden feint, but then again, turnabout is fair play, you suppose. You sit up, focusing. "I mean, ultimately, the answer is yes, there is. Mami, Homura, Sayaka, myself, plus Oriko and Kirika, I suppose, though the last two are... complicated, and a few others in the city who aren't officially affiliated with us. And the Shiogama group."

"You're on first name basis with Tomoe Mami?" Hina asks, almost at the same time as Diana speaking.

"The Shiogama group?" Diana asks, brows knitting into a frown. "Isn't Shiogama... you know, another town entirely?"

"Yes, and yes," you say. "They... lost a member, and they're in a bad place, so we offered them a place to stay."

"With your cleansing powers?" Hina asks, jumping onto the topic with both feet.

"Yup," you say, wobbling your hand from side to side. "I've been giving them time to adjust - this is a recent enough thing that we haven't really made any formal arrangement yet other than allowing them to stay in Mitakihara, so... I guess they're part of our group, but not formally so yet."

"Noble of you," Diana says.

"I see it as doing the right thing," you say calmly. "They need the help, and I'm in the right place to provide that help."

"Like a modern day Robin Hood!" Hina says happily.

"I... I suppose," you say. If what they'd heard of you came from the Sendai incident... well, you were rather insistent about redistributing Sendai's Grief Seeds.

Speaking of which, you really need to stop blurting out the whole thing with the yakuza. One day, you're going to accidentally mention it in earshot of actual yakuza - or maybe to a yakuza. There are yakuza magical girls, after all.

Right. Note to self, stop blurting that out to strangers.

"How did you come to be in Japan, Miss Vee?" Diana asks, giving you a curious look. "If I may ask?"

"Ah, yes. I admit, I'm curious, too," Hina says, blinking curious, purple eyes at you. She flashes you a thumbs-up. "Your Japanese is excellent, if I may say so?"

"Thank you, and, uh, it's... complicated," you say, wincing and rubbing at the back of your neck. "I'd rather not lie to you, so let's just say that I don't know for sure, even if I have some very good theories as to how I got here that I'd rather not talk about?"

That gets you a curious look from Yuki, but she doesn't say anything.

"Ah, a mysterious stranger who blew in on the wind, just to add to the Robin Hood mystique," Diana says, nodding. She purses her lips. "My parents emigrated here when I was young, in case you're curious. Nothing so exciting."

"I was, actually," you admit sheepishly.

Hina laughs cheerfully, beaming at Diana. "But she's gone native now," she says. "Anyway. We've gotten off track, and that was my fault. What can we help you with, Miss Vee?"

"Well, the Shiogama girls and my powers are a good segue, really," you say. "So... the reason we can afford to support them in Mitakihara is that I can cleanse Soul Gems - truly, genuinely cleanse them, as opposed to moving it into another receptacle. I can demonstrate, if you'd like?"

"I can vouch for that," Yuki says, folding her hands on her lap in a way that somehow makes her look even tinier and more vulnerable than she normally does. It's probably the way that she just disappears under her costume's cloak, really. "I've witnessed it."

"Maybe later," Hina says. "Go on?"

"So..." You launch into your usual spiel, well-practiced and familiar by this point. Cleansing, your desire to help, and Clear Seeds, all interspersed with sips of tea which you'll begrudgingly admit isn't bad.

"We have one, courtesy of Miss Vee," Yuki chimes in to add.

"Seems like the kind of thing a lot of people would be after," Hina says, wincing. "But you're offering this to us?"

"I am," you say steadily, meeting her eyes. "I'm offering it to every magical girl that I meet, because we all deserve to live a life free of having to, to scrabble for basic dignity and sustenance."

"And all you want is for us to be nice," Hina says, and looks away, sighing. "Unfortunately, I... think we have to decline."

"Hina-" Diana starts, but Hina shakes her head.

"Not that we can't be nice," Hina says with a weak smile. "But we're not combat powerhouses in the way Miss Tsuruya's group is. We do well enough for Witches, but... if anyone really tried to steal this from us, we wouldn't be able to do much."

Diana scowls, folding her arms grumpily, but she doesn't say anything..

"I mean, even if I guaranteed my personal intervention if that happened?" you say. "Which I do. A Clear Seed is... I can't and won't allow these to be taken by force, because not only is it enough power for virtually any magical girl to go on a rampage, it'd be the kind of thing that would lead to outright war if these could be taken."

"I'm a simple girl, Miss Vee," Hina says, shaking her head. "And Miss Tsuruya's group aside, Fukushima's a pretty sleepy city. Magical girl-wise, I mean. I don't think I want to risk it."

[] Press the matter
- [] How so?
[] Don't pressure them, it's their choice
[] Afterwards...
- [] Anything else to raise with Yuki?
- [x] Try and collect Mugin before heading back for lunch


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Alrighty. Apologies for the late update, again.
 
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So they declined.

Fair enough, really. They don't look like they're in a bad enough place to truly need it and it is a new and different kind of risk.

We made our offer and they made their choice with good knowledge. I'm satisfied with this.
 
Agreed, fair enough. Say we'll offer it again when a greater number of groups have it so that they'd be a less prominent target. And they're welcome to change their minds at any time or come around if they need emergency cleansing.

Also if they have any partially used grief seeds on them offer to refresh them to pre-used status without turning them into clear seeds.
 
I was about to suggest that, worst comes to worst, they're welcome to seek sanctuary in Mitakihara, with the same conditions as the Shiogama girls.

...but maybe we shouldn't, because that scenario would only happen if Yuki has let her territory go to shit, and it might be perceived as a slight against her.
 
[] Don't pressure them, it's their choice
-[] Let them know they can change their mind at any time
[] Also, you forgot to answer: yes, you're on a first name basis with Mami--she is your girlfriend, after all.
[] Afterwards...
- [] Ask Yuki if you can hug her; you've been dying to do that since you met her. She's so cute!
- [] Try and collect Mugin before heading back for lunch
 
Can we work something out that they can use Yuki's group's Clear Seed?

Agreed, fair enough. Say we'll offer it again when a greater number of groups have it so that they'd be a less prominent target. And they're welcome to change their minds at any time or come around if they need emergency cleansing.

Also if they have any partially used grief seeds on them offer to refresh them to pre-used status without turning them into clear seeds.

Generally speaking, we want to avoid Grief Seeds being filled up and needing to be given to Kyubey anyway.
 
Agreed, fair enough. Say we'll offer it again when a greater number of groups have it so that they'd be a less prominent target. And they're welcome to change their minds at any time or come around if they need emergency cleansing.

Also if they have any partially used grief seeds on them offer to refresh them to pre-used status without turning them into clear seeds.
Asking if they want a refresh is good, yeah.

The only thing I'd add to this situation is asking if they want to be informed if we ever develop a form of cleansing with less potential to be a macguffin.
 
Can't resist a little mischief, SaltyWaffles...

[] Afterwards...
- [] Ask Yuki to join a group hug! (be Clever!Brina)
- [] Try and (call out to) Mugin before heading back for lunch


Can we work something out that they can use Yuki's group's Clear Seed?



Generally speaking, we want to avoid Grief Seeds being filled up and needing to be given to Kyubey anyway.
We could present ourselves as interested in filled Grief Seeds, and trade for them?

I'll think we should not pressure them, but we should try to get them thinking. Perhaps talk about our ideas to make this work, but leave it open, ask for their creative input. Also, offer economic relations? We will be doing something for cash soon, maybe they would like to think about joining our career track.

Also, they may very well not have the Witchbomb, huh? We need to know how they relate with Kyuubey, as well.
 
... Ya'll saw nothing, like the inexplicably missing vote options.
A few more things I definitely didn't see - it is rather late (early?) from my perspective...
"I sent my girls in, of course. Atsuko, Sasami, Moe. And they, along with the entirety of the Sendai team, ran headlong into the Mitakihara coalition. They were completely crushed." Yuki smiles placidly. "And they were healed, and sent away with a well-deserved scolding for collateral damage. Miss Vee offered them a deal at the time, but they didn't stay to hear it out."
Well-deserved is one way to put it.
"I've been giving them time to adjust - this is a rcenet enough thing that we haven't really made any formal arrangement yet other than allowing them to stay in Mitakihara, so... I guess they are part of our group, but not formally so yet."
"I'm offering it to every magical girl that I meet, because we all deserve to live a life free of having to, to scrabble for basic dignity and sustenance."
Green's added to make more sense, grammatically or otherwise. Red's errors and repetition. Last one could be a momentary stutter while seeking a word, certainly.
 
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[] Afterwards...
- [] Ask Yuki about building reproduction and transplantation.

We should also establish the same sort of deal we have with Kyoko where they kick anyone they'd normally kick out in our direction.
"You're on first name basis with Tomoe Mami?" Hina asks
She's going to really regret not delving deeper into this when she learns from someone else that Sabrina and Mami are dating.
 
That's a little suspicious, but ultimately we can't and won't force them to take them. We can refresh normal griefseeds as well, it just... They don't have quite the same impact.
 
[X] Don't press the matter
-[X] Do make it clear that they can reach you via telepathy or your email if they change their mind
--[X] Offer cleanse before you go
---[X] Wish them well

And then uh

We need to talk to Yuki about Iowa, because defense pact, but whether we do that now or in a day or two is ?. I'd like to do it now but a case could be made for infosec. Thoughts, comments. What's on the calendar? And @Firnagzen what time is it ic
 
[] Don't press the matter
-[] Offer's open
-[] You can also drop by regularly to refresh used Grief Seeds
[] Afterwards...
-[] Ask Yuki about building reproduction and transplantation.
-[] Try and collect Mugin before heading back for lunch

Were we going to mention Walpurgisnacht here?
 
Completely understandable reasons for refusing. Offering to refresh grief seeds instead seems like a good alternative, since we'll probably be here fairly often anyway.
 
Couldn't we over-refresh the grief seeds just a little, so that each one has the capacity of 3 or 4 grief seeds, instead of hundreds? There's much less risk there, since having a few tens of grief seeds is pretty typical.
 
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