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You know what, this is kind of a useless reply. You wouldn't prefer me rewriting that because you don't want it in the first place, and I'm not going to change your views on how much credit Mami deserves these days when I'm not even making an actual argument about it.
It's just me quitting, and doing so while leaving everything behind the scenes and unaired. I haven't put any of the thinking I've done around this in the thread, I've made no real explanation of why it's so important, and I've given no meaningful reason why this should be a thing we do.
... Also it's kind of pretty rude.
Well then!
First off, the line I've been obsessing over for most of the day:
I don't know what you all are reading from this line -- except Redshirt, I guess:
... but what I'm seeing in it is the majority of an iceberg. See, Redshirt, you asked if it's really confusing that she's seen as isolationist -- and my reply is that it's not confusing (on the contrary, it makes Too Much Sense) but it is a Big Deal. You mentioned that no other groups form in her territory -- I ask you, why is that?
Well, Yuki has answered that for us, hasn't she? "It's remarkable," Yuki says, "that she's let anyone else take up residence in Mitakihara."
... What the fuck?
I ask you all: why would Mami disallow people from taking up residence in Mitakihara?
...
Well, obviously the natural continuation is that she did eject a number of people under circumstances she has not particularly gone into, presumably for being in some fashion evil. And yet, isn't there a clear and massive discontinuity between that, and her disallowing people from taking up residence in Mitakihara?
... Wasn't people taking up residence in Mitakihara and being friendly with her exactly what the Mami we all know wanted the entire time? Why on Earth would she disallow it? That explanation is weird. It is not a reasonable explanation from our viewpoint as to why no other groups form in Mami's territory.
"The Incubator did it," though...
That was about where I started obsessing over this. Because in that moment, I decided that that looked far, far too much like a convenient way for the Incubator to prevent external variables from interfering with Mami's dependency on it: spin something (Mami kicking those people out, QB avoiding taking actions that would cause a group to form in Mitakihara which would not clash with Mami?) around until everyone "knew" that Mami didn't want anyone else around anyway.
So then I went and thought about it a bunch more. I looked for potential avenues for such a reputation to have been arrived at legitimately -- what I came up with after checking Mami's account of the Tohoku University group's offer to her was that there was an off chance it was something along the lines of "it was necessary to pursue a policy of not letting anyone set up shop in Mitakihara in order to stay out of bloodshed-involving inter-group conflicts." Maybe.
Then I figured, well, Shadowrunning is frowned on, so let's establish that this wasn't a legitimate thing before we declare a QB plot. So I added the line about asking Mami a question... and because I'd spent the past hours going over all of this in my notes, instead of here, it was, uh... pretty out of the blue, lmao.
To be honest, I don't really care about asking Mami that question. My instinct is to pull Yuki aside after the meeting, annihilate whatever impression Yuki has of Mami as "isolationist and unwilling to let people set up in Mitakihara" by dropping personal details like "she literally gave me her guest room when I'd known her for five minutes and neither of us knew I could cleanse soul gems", and then ask Yuki to tell us everything she knows about how it came to be that Mami is "famously isolationist." Frankly, I think it would be a deeply informative and revealing exercise in investigating QB ways and means -- for Yuki, certainly, and potentially for us -- as well as an excellent way to start getting rid of a reputation that has, I expect, massively contributed to Mami's isolation and traumatization.
Now hey -- I could be wrong.
But I am also really, really pissed. I want to punt a goddamn QB over a river right now. If this is not what actually happened, then that's one thing, but if it is --
And that is why I want to find out.
[X] Redshirt Army
Okay, I should register that this could conceivably be a manifestation of the "Mami has high standards regarding meguca behavior" facet of her characterization, and I should register that because A) it's a Canon facet of her, B) it's a facet of her that my mental model of her in PMAS reduces to "Mami doesn't condone actively farming familiars or letting people die in front of you", and C) we do not technically have hard evidence that my mental model of Mami is right about that exact issue.
I can't conceive of Mami disallowing people from setting up in Mitakihara because of something like "they aren't willing to actively kill every familiar." There's a line between that and "Mami throwing people out for familiar farming" and that's about where my mental Mami has her line drawn. If that particular bit of my mental model is correct, then yes, all of that stuff is weird. And, I mean, I obviously do think that my model is correct...
But if I was going to be wrong about any part of who Mami is -- an unlikely thing, I hope -- it would be about this, and that's something that should be said.
... But... Man, does anybody remember where the tiny segment was where Mami talked in passing about the people she did throw out? It was, like... I mean, it was more of a "I threw some people out" than a passage actually talking about who those people were, but all I can remember is how hard it seemed like it had been for her to do that at all...
Anyway, hopefully now I can shut up until next update