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HeroCycle said:
@DB_Explorer I pose to you, how fast can we move - another Magical Girl? Our endstate for combat is clamping the anti-magic on them, most times. I suggest we experiment with the range limit of non-solid links to Homura. That way, she can just stutter her timestop as needed, granting any of us a "warp" combo movement. Spamming that has to be a fearsome trick. Either Mami fires entanglement ribbons from many angles "instantly," Sayaka appears in four places "at once" to push lightning into the enemy, Sabrina rushes past their lines to tag everyone with Grief; it turns high mobility combat up to 11.
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This would be very awesome, but I'm not sure if it's actually better than just doing the fight from constant timestop.

While I agree that in the ideal scenario we would swoop in and gem them from timestop, we don't know if they have any powers that would negate that. We would first have to find out what all of their powers are. The reason we're considering 'sploding them from orbit is that there's a lower chance of them having a power that completely negates that.
 
Torgamous said:
*gasp* Are we reviving the Kirikannon Project?!
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...with a New Fresh Scent? I'm promoting how to re-balance/extend the concept. If it worked for the X-Men, it can't be all bad. But seriously, radical mobility ends fights. Always has.

Sentient Tree said:
I'm not sure if it's actually better than just doing the fight from constant timestop.
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I consider it is?
First, we have Timestop as just an option - we are not going to go in with one key plan that gets nerfed. We could also have Homura load everyone but Mami with appropriate mundane weapons to mix things up if they have some sort of trump that puts most magic out of the fight.
Second, I want to conserve Homura's effort, in case she needs to pull our bacon out of the fire.
Third, should it be possible, Homura can 'telecommute' to support us, letting her keep a good pace on Job Number One. Never forget, our main concern is the Golden Ending ATM. If Madoka isn't seeing everything as "our team goes out to war," we will be able to fix her wissues faster / more easily. There is some garbage to haul out, but our friends don't need to build a worldview around that.
I think we want healthy, well adapted women with an idealist streak, not hard girls.

In the case of subverting a precognitive sensor, Privacy (used correctly) is actually superior and more specific as a counter, too.

... And then we invented Grief Langolier familiars, set them to reject only Soul Gems, and all prior Magical Girl tactical doctrine was flushed out like a dirty gutter in the rain.
Hmmm. Scaring myself?
 
Jonen C said:
Of course, some of the potential applications of Sabrina's powerset are a probable ecosystem kill, and potentially planetkiller.
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How exactly are we an ecosystem / planet killer?
HeroCycle said:
We can now infer a bit about how they think when they are fighting. Using precog makes one dependent on prophesy. We know that isn't wise, and we can burn them for it.

We can out-shock and over-awe them by disabling their precog, followed immediately by their C&C. That should allow us to sweep them up in smaller fights when their plan fails.

Disabling their predictive warning is actually quite simple, we know how this works! It is even inexpensive, and commonplace for us.

We will travel, fight, and win inside of Privacy. As long as we can hold the information blockade, they cannot close the timelike loop. For bonus points, we combo attack with Mami, to make our approach - from high altitude - a half-mile wide ball of shadow. Suitable for weakening their resolve?
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I don't even think we need to go that far
Oriko has said that our whole thing fucks with her precog. Any time we do anything at all, all of her previous precog stuff is rendered invalid, we buck fate just by existing and doing anything at all
 
soulsguardian said:
How exactly are we an ecosystem / planet killer?
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Options, let's just pick a few.

Ecosystems do not like gigawatt range blackbody gamma emitters in them. Or flying over them directionally emitting gamma.

Ramp it up a bit and we can start mass scattering the planet, but aside from that our flight is essentially a reaction less drive, and such drives are always planet killers, given time and range to build up relative velocity.

If short term survival is not required we have further options:

Plus we are a functionally complete subatomic particle level assembler. We could potentially manufacture strangelets of other exotic states of matter.

4D fuckery probably means we can make a singularity if we really try.

We might be able to trigger a false vacuum collapse - that's a potential observable universe killer.

Low end, we have a sphere of total control large enough to fit a gigaton plus range thermonuclear device. Or we could make that same amount of antimatter. Or a matter/antimatter mix, for maximum boom.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Note that "clairvoyance" isn't "precognition" - it can just mean long distance observation. Also note that Kyubey explicitly called out Oriko's powers as unique.
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Well, coobs can call any power unique, if it really gets down to it
It just kinda bugs me there are so many special snowflakes in Mitakihara
Homura, Madoka, Oriko, Sabrina

Granted, two others are the result of the first one
Huh
Maybe three others?
Because of Homura's timeline hopping Oriko may have developed precognition
Something something karmic weight of the location retroactively increases with Madoka's Potential, warping reality and allowing for unique powers to appear

Nah, kinda crazy, even for Madoka Magica
 
I believe Homura's time STOP has been referred to as unique, or at least rare enough most girls haven't even heard of something like it. On its own, time manipulation may not be that rare. Though I imagine the Incubators try to avoid handing it out, as it has the possibility to get *very* messy.

But considering the Incubators *have* to grant every Wish a girl has the potential to achieve, I can't imagine time travel *hasn't* happened before.
 
My own personal theory is this:

Mitakihara has a tremendous number of "unique" powers within it, especially in PMAS. I believe that all of these instances ultimately have a shared origin.

For two of the anomalies, this is pretty obvious - Madoka's potential is anomalously high because of Homura's actions tying many iterations of Madoka together, and Sabrina in turn has anomolous potential because she's almost certainly a product of one of Madoka's wishes.

I strongly suspect that much like Tart, Oriko's wish ends up boosting her potential tremendously when she makes it, because she hooks into the other powerful events that are unfolding in Mitakihara - Madoka, Walpurgisnacht, or Sabrina.

So that means that ultimately all of these anomalies share a common source - specifically, Homura's time travel. But that still leaves one question unanswered: How did Homura, who had less potential than Sayaka, get a wish that's listed as a 7 in power on a 5 point scale?

I don't have any real idea of the specifics, but strongly suspect Walpurgisnacht is somehow responsible. Perhaps Homura being the last standing survivor when the centuries-old witch conglomerate finally died allowed her to "inherit" some of its karmic destiny?
 
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Firnagzen said:
"Of course," Oriko says.

"Mmm," you say. A nice, somewhat fashionable bracelet, you think. And to that end, you shave the rust from the rebar and start moulding. "So - if you channel magic into something belonging to someone else, you wind up... not quite sharing your emotions with them, but you get a feel of them. It's... it's hard to describe, but you just get a feel of them."

"I see," Kirika says, sounding very interested.

"Yep," you say, tilting your head far enough to give her a grin. "Just a fun tidbit I found recently."

"Appreciated~" Kirika says.
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It took way too much effort to find this.
 
Regardig the Iowa, they could have something different than a clarovayant that is used for the same effect, which is possibly worse for us. A weakpoint finder/someone whose power is knowing how to hurt the chosen target could be disastrous (and ramp up Homura's paranoia to 11).

After we're done with our programs for today, we need an investigation in the internets asap.
 
arK said:
Regardig the Iowa, they could have something different than a clarovayant that is used for the same effect, which is possibly worse for us. A weakpoint finder/someone whose power is knowing how to hurt the chosen target could be disastrous (and ramp up Homura's paranoia to 11).

After we're done with our programs for today, we need an investigation in the internets asap.
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Yeah, it could be anything from coobs to some kind of luck/probability manipulation.

HeroCycle said:
I consider it is?
First, we have Timestop as just an option - we are not going to go in with one key plan that gets nerfed. We could also have Homura load everyone but Mami with appropriate mundane weapons to mix things up if they have some sort of trump that puts most magic out of the fight.
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Hmmm. I guess. It is nice to have full timestop as a backup option. On the other hand, letting them move at all could give them time ( :V ) to activate any countermeasures they have against timestop, or even just grab onto us.
Giving everyone mundane weapons as a fallback is definitely a good idea.
 
Redshirt Army said:
My own personal theory is this:

Mitakihara has a tremendous number of "unique" powers within it, especially in PMAS. I believe that all of these instances ultimately have a shared origin.

For two of the anomalies, this is pretty obvious - Madoka's potential is anomalously high because of Homura's actions tying many iterations of Madoka together, and Sabrina in turn has anomolous potential because she's almost certainly a product of one of Madoka's wishes.

I strongly suspect that much like Tart, Oriko's wish ends up boosting her potential tremendously when she makes it, because she hooks into the other powerful events that are unfolding in Mitakihara - Madoka, Walpurgisnacht, or Sabrina.

So that means that ultimately all of these anomalies share a common source - specifically, Homura's time travel. But that still leaves one question unanswered: How did Homura, who had less potential than Sayaka, get a wish that's listed as a 7 in power on a 5 point scale?

I don't have any real idea of the specifics, but strongly suspect Walpurgisnacht is somehow responsible. Perhaps Homura being the last standing survivor when the centuries-old witch conglomerate finally died allowed her to "inherit" some of its karmic destiny?
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My own take on Homura is a bit simpler: because she cut out a lot of everything else magical girls get to be able to afford the wish.

Homura needs to work active magic to fix up her body because she still has her heart condition, steal guns because she has no weapon worth using (her shield only casts her wish magic), learn those weapons because with no natural weapon comes no natural weapon skills. Her physical strength and speed are very irrelevant to her fighting style, because she has fairly little of either compared to most magical girls. And her luck is best expressed in negative numbers because of the karma debt.

The opposite is Mami, who basically made a non-wish since there was no way a magical girl could die from injuries caused by a car crash. That's why Mami gets tremendous natural skills and a magical weapon that is whatever she wants it to be, two years worth of what is actually pretty good luck (she's alive, despite the odds heavily stacked against lone magical girls and kyubey's meddling) but no real wish magic. She's the all-rounder to Homura's ridiculous min-maxer.
 
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Much greater potential for amusement if we just decide to be laconic on this topic?

"They grow 'em big in Mitakihara."
 
I was writing this message and deleting it until I have managed to distill it's very essence

Sayaka's Witch name isn't Oktavia
It's Ariel
She's a Disney mermaid princess
She has a tiara on her helmet and everything
Everything being a royal scepter
Her prince ran away to date Hitomi Guitar-kun JUST VIOLIN
Prove me wrong
You can't cuz it's true
Firnagzen said:
"You're welcome. I can't really think of any other groups that we know well enough to recommend, and... Osaki? Rissho University, in Osaki, Tokyo," Chouko says. "Um... Yuko's brother studies there, and that's... um, well, he found a girlfriend? And he noticed her ring, and fingernail mark, and, ah, yes. Sorry, that's not what you were asking."

"... no, please, do go on," you say, raising an eyebrow. Huh. A magical girl with a boyfriend.

Sayaka's crush on Kyousuke doesn't... doesn't count, since they're not actually together.

Chouko snickers quietly, the sensation of her giggles carrying easily over telepathy. "There's not much more to tell than that, barring a few misunderstandings and calls back and forth. But it was a heck of a coincidence, you know?"

"I can imagine," you say. "... remind me to get the full story out of you sometime."

"After you beat me in a flying race, maybe," Chouko fires back.

"... yyyyeeah maybe one day," you say. "Anyway. Would you be able to give me a referral for that?"

"Ah, certainly," Chouko says. "Could I call you back in... fifteen minutes?"

"Sure," you agree. "I'll be here!"

"Right! Talk to you in a bit," Chouko says brightly, and ends the call.

"Hm," Sayaka says. "Boyfriend, huh?"
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Also, in other news, no one commented on this segment
But Sayaka
Sayaka is incredulous over a Guca having a boyfriend

Honestly, when do you stop hiding your wings, you Madodamn angel
 
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