Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Sayaka:When did you even have time to make a four hundred slide presentation about Mami?
Sabrina: I experience time at a variable but always heavily dilated rate. You've known me for the last three weeks. I've known you for the last five years.
Sayaka: Oh my god, I had no idea! How do you mangage?
Sabrina: Ehhh, it's fine. More time to think about Mami.
Sayaka: ..the whole "Best Buddy" thing makes a lot more sense now.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
Did we prepare for Tokyo specifics, other than who will be with us? Is that something we will do with Yuki alone?
- giggles -"Oh, Sabrina!"
Yeah, telepathy is really a convenience for the Incubator, not us. It gets a fine-grained indicator of when each girl is ready for harvest. There is also a bonus to active control, because many additional opportunities to lie are enabled by open lines of communication...
Kyuubey will learn to choke on our cake, and drown in our tea. Isolation is out - community is the new Black.
- giggles -"Oh, Sabrina!"
Yeah, telepathy is really a convenience for the Incubator, not us. It gets a fine-grained indicator of when each girl is ready for harvest. There is also a bonus to active control, because many additional opportunities to lie are enabled by open lines of communication...
Kyuubey will learn to choke on our cake, and drown in our tea. Isolation is out - community is the new Black.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
That might actually be the best way to break it to our friends.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Overwhelming firepower, combined with some way to get all of them into the city quickly without the defenders realizing, for maximum surprise. Possibly a stealth type power, possibly teleportation. Magical girl powers are perfect for maneuver warfare, as we've shown in our own battles.
Locations of significance that I can think of:
Mami's apartment (just like in To The Stars)
School (especially since they can hold the civilians inside hostage)
Madoka's house (hold Madoka hostage, use a deadman switch so that Homu can't just instantly murderface them)
Homura's apartment (meh. It's an option, but I'm not sure if there's much point)
At least some of these options depend on just how much information they have on us. For example, Madoka is a major(albeit heavily guarded) weak point, but it's difficult to find that out without an in depth knowledge of how the group works. On the other hand, for all we know they may have that kind of knowledge if their clairvoyant is good enough, and more likely Kyubey may tell them in order to put Madoka in a situation where she's more likely to contract.
That being said, I think the obvious target is the school. Lots of hostages, they probably will have heard that we're a bleeding heart with regards to civilian casualties, plus even if they know almost nothing about us they would know that they have a good chance of getting a hostage that we know or have known personally. Not to mention they may very well get Madoka as part of the deal, since she goes to school too. An option for them if they have good information would be to send their main force to take the school, and send a smaller force (maybe one meguca, plus some disposable minions if they have those?) to take Madoka's house and try to get some of her family. Depending on how much they are able to spread their forces and how good their information is, they may also show up at Junko's workplace and take her hostage.
That only accounts for them attacking pre-Walpurgisnacht though. Attacking afterwards is somewhat of a gamble, as we should be greatly weakened from fighting the queen of witches, but at the same time we (Sabrina) may also be dead and/or have expended most of Mitakihara's resources as far as grief seeds and clear seeds go. Furthermore, if we do well enough we may have many allies left at the end who could be troublesome to fight. If they go this route, I would say that the most likely target would be the evacuation shelter where all the civilians go, making their move while we're in the end stages of the Walp-fight. Normally that should be an easy target, as it's a huge place with tons of people inside it and no magical girl presence. However, we've been planning to have Yuki use her magic on the evacuation shelter, which should allow her to instantly shift all of the civilians (especially 'Doka and family) to a different place at a moments notice. It might be too difficult for them to attack there, although if they have enough information they could try and send disposable minions (if they have them) to every place Yuki controls, preventing her from just dumping everyone in a safe place. This would be very difficult though, and requires them to have information on every single place that Yuki controls, be able to attack every place at once, and successfully occupy each one at the same time. Not easy, and not possible without tons of disposable minions (who are tough enough to not be immediately destroyed by Yuki), near perfect information on Yuki's powers/places, and a maneuverability power that lets them distribute the minions everywhere they need to go. As a better option, if they have someone with antimagic they could instead attack the place the civilians are at, and try to shut down Yuki's power before she can teleport the civilians out. This is much more feasible, but requires they have antimagic.
Another option if they attack post Walp-fight, is that they could grab and maim a couple defenders. This would be done by hit and runs attacks during the end stages of the fight itself, attacking meguca at the fringes, especially ones who are behind the lines in order to receive healing and use clear seeds. Probably a much easier option than attacking the civilians in this scenario.
While this doesn't fully eliminate the possibility of Iowa having or getting a minion-mancer, it makes it much less likely. I suspect that she who must not be named was originally supposed to escape and become Iowa's minion-mancer, but was allowed to be caught so that the thread could live. The more important question is whether Iowa will be getting a replacement or not.
I have to agree. This will be fun.
So it seems like the most likely targets are the school pre Walp-fight, and the weaker magical girls we bring in to help with Walpurgisnacht during and after the Walp-fight.
To deal with school as a target: Ideally it would be nice for Yuki to use her power on the school. If that's not feasible, I'm not sure what to do.
Madoka's family: Give everyone in Madoka's family one of Homura's shield enchantments. Maybe have Madoka give them to the family as good luck charms or something, and make them promise to always wear them. That would probably get them to wear them during the work day, which is really all we need since Homura wants Madoka's house to be under Yuki's magic so they should be safe while inside.
Walp-fight helpers: First off, we want as many enchantments as we can for everyone fighting (of course), and protective enchantments are one big thing we'll want. Not sure if it's feasible to equip everyone though, especially if Homura's the only one who can make them. Maybe have a fast response team that holds back and contains a lot of firepower and a maneuverability type (teleportation, timestop, etc)? They could plug gaps in our forces, and also would be able to respond to anything unexpected such as Iowa attacking our medics.
Mami's Apartment: Do they really want to drive both Mami Tomoe and Sabrina Vee into a murderous rage, with them as the target? This problem is self-solving.
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This being magic, it's also fully possible that when she says shock and awe, she means they literally have someone who projects the emotions of shock and/or awe onto her opponents. Some kind of emotional manipulation magic, or a fear aura. Possibly someone like Cherie Vasil from Worm (sorry if I got her name wrong). To counter, I suggest something similar to the mind protection enchantments that we are developing for the Tokyo talk, or just blasting her from as far away as possible.
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Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Sabrina: "It's actually way worse for Homura. She's known you for something like decade, and me for the last three weeks, and in those years I've forced her to reevaluate everything she knows about you."
Seems like the obvious strategy with the Iowa group is for us to find and attack them during land transit so we can fight in a nice bit of countryside away from hostages, since even if we secure our personal friends the more heroic members of our group can be baited out by random people grabbed off the street. It also allows us to open the fight by dropping a KKV from orbit with no concern for collateral damage and follow that up with a bunch of explosives and a giant robot.
We also need to test if Yuki's buildings could be up-rooted and carried with us to the battlefield without losing their magical potency.
We also need to test if Yuki's buildings could be up-rooted and carried with us to the battlefield without losing their magical potency.
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For us, all that counts as introducing ourselves.
Bingo. People relying on him lets him strategically cut off communication by saying "She can't be reached by telepathy right now [because I don't want to]".
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- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Agreed. That being said, their clairvoyant (or whatever equivalent they have) might make that difficult. If they can predict us coming for them they may be able to get hostages in time from nearby population centers. If Oriko can get her clairvoyance working in time, we could have her track them so we can attack when they are between population centers. The best counter for that would be to either stay in a heavily populated area so we can't easily attack without causing collateral damage (which leads to a stalemate at worst since they couldn't leave without getting ganked), or travel with hostages (like joining some kind of middle school field trip to Mitakihara). If they have a strong enough teleporter or stealth guca they could also manage.
One issue is if instead of a clairvoyant they actually have a probability manipulator. Like the girl we have whose power is luck. If they have that they may be able to move between cities while Oriko is sleeping or taking a break.
Of course, we could still attack even while they are in a city, it would just mean we'd be rather handicapped.
The best way would be to determine where they are through communication with the locals. If they've just left a given city then by definition they're not in a city anymore. Then we can pinpoint their position with Oriko's power and the second we have a lock we move under timestop to give them minimal time to react.
Also, we want to attack them before they get to Japan proper. Continental Asia has more empty space and a lower population density in many areas.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
[] Meguca are for saving
-[] Also, to expand my shipping chart.
-[] But seriously, you are trying to go global, and it pays to introduce yourself to all the closest groups from the start. You don't know about a government, but a coalition to cooperate with each other instead of fighting for scarce resources sounds nice. You kinda Wish you could expand your Grief Control radius for more than a hundred meters, but your Mom decreed "Too haxx OP, pls nerf", so you'll do with what you have.
[] Introduce yourself as a braindamaged totally not-a-Witch you are. They live in a volcano? You live with Mumi! Now who wins at life? *Evil laugh*
-[] Invite them for tea. Ask Mami if she's okay with that beforehand, though.
-[] Also, to expand my shipping chart.
-[] But seriously, you are trying to go global, and it pays to introduce yourself to all the closest groups from the start. You don't know about a government, but a coalition to cooperate with each other instead of fighting for scarce resources sounds nice. You kinda Wish you could expand your Grief Control radius for more than a hundred meters, but your Mom decreed "Too haxx OP, pls nerf", so you'll do with what you have.
[] Introduce yourself as a braindamaged totally not-a-Witch you are. They live in a volcano? You live with Mumi! Now who wins at life? *Evil laugh*
-[] Invite them for tea. Ask Mami if she's okay with that beforehand, though.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[ ] Well,a huge part of it is just that you want to help everyone you can, and groups in such close contact with your allies are an easy place to start.
-[ ] Beyond that, with your power, you know how easy it would be to demand loyalty from people in exchange for cleansing - and you utterly reject that idea. You imagine that the groups near her are aware of her group's strength, so you wanted to clear up any misconceptions people may have that you might only help them if they're "useful" to you.
Thoughts?
The group we're meeting with isn't the volcano group.
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
Cuuuuuute.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
She tried to escape it, but in the end, destiny caught up to her. Moe is moe.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Sounds like a plan.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Kay. Reserving it for the volcano group then.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
In addition to everything else, the existence of the telepathy network and the soft but firm nudge towards upholding the Masquerade means girls are culturally conditioned to isolate themselves from their support groups. Having a secret language, comm-system, or lexicon is a common tactic for cults.
- Location
- Here
Hang on, what "whole thing"? I don't recall that particular thing ever getting into IC dialogue?
(also not sure how the time dilation would make it make more sense)
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
It's a quip about Kirika being our best buddy, because we are both insane and worshipping an oujo, just different ones, thank Madokami. Otherwise, there would be blood.
- Location
- Illinois
I am going to point out that a group which had cut a deal with the incubator to act as a weapon for it would act very similarly -- identically, even -- to what we have now heard of Iowa group.
"I suspect they have a clairvoyant of some kind" indeed! Yes, and you'd never be able to confirm that for sure if she didn't actually exist, now would you?
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Maybe we could get in touch with groups that survived their raids? We might find a common denominator aside from 'vulnerable targets'.
- Location
- Illinois
... If this is true, then Iowa is part of what Kyubey intends to throw at us alongside the Potentialbomb and we need to neutralize them as part of our win conditions.
[X] Stop.
-[X] Your intent is to offer them the standard stuff. Clear seed for not being evil. If she'd like more of a "why *them*" or a "why are you going around personally doing this group by group" explanation, you can give her that, but before anything else you need to speak to her securely.
--[X] Privacy sphere from enchanted grief.
---[X] Given the incubator's total penetration of telepathy, networked surveillance ability, and prevailing interest in *non-lethal, stress-inducing destabilization,* at this time everything you have heard of Iowa group now indicates they are a compensated weapon employed and aided by Kyubey which is currently travelling in your direction. *Does she have any information which would contradict this hypothesis?*
This is exactly the behavior I would expect from the Incubator in this quest.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Kai, no. Don't suddenly change tracks like that.
We can do that after we meet and greet the other Fukushima group.
We can do that after we meet and greet the other Fukushima group.
- Location
- Illinois