Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Read before write. It is a basic principle.
Our knowledge of Anri is crude. Yes, she has monomania about Yuuri. What else is on her mind? Do we need to know?
The fruits of bad character interaction are entirely optional here. I think that Sabrina has better odds of leading Anri, than she does by pressuring Anri. If we see a difference in those two routes, why does it exist? Why should we care? Motivation effects final outcome.
If we go straight to operant conditioning, we will never have useful interaction with Anri's future motivations. Don't mistake, we can force her to do "the right things" for a while using our power. Since it costs no more, I would like instead to do a good job at saving both girls.
Improving Anri is about establishing a gradient for her to climb. We don't have an Easy-Bake de-witching oven, or any de-witching at all yet. The only truth we can prove is that lots of effort is required, in some sense or another. Entropy plays no favorites. Work needs to be expended, probably as Magic. Magical power is emotional "power." In this sense, what she needs to become is an "emotional athlete." Homura has the "Endurance" training no one else does. Anri needs something different, by our plans. "Effective form" i.e. more goodness and empathy, is what she's going to use to win. Of course Anri wants to just "bull this through." We aim for a clearer margin of safety and best result, so that needs to be reigned in a bit.
Thus, skipping the "not central to the action" bits is entirely incorrect. Without establishing more of Anri as a person, outside of her relationship dynamic, we have poor ability to direct her. Not having mundane influence over Anri would be a silly goal - the other outcome of a successful de-witching run is a big level bonus for the Magical Girl doing the rescue. It isn't likely planet-cracking force that gets developed(?) rather, the operant de-witching magi must rise to a new level of sensitivity and dynamic control of her magic. But that still means serious real-world powerup.
Do you want to level grind Anri crazy, or sane?
We should have a wider conversation. Mostly, only preparation today. No way do the cuffs come off yet. How on earth does she change who she is by sleeping in a hyperdimensional box while reading mangas for a few days? Must be some awesome titles? Ooorrr we still have to do some work to get Anri on the right path.
I'm 100% certain that talking about Arzt Kochen is fully distracting, so anything of a lighter topic we will have to do first.
[X] Yuki:
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri:
-[X] offer to take her hand right away.
(Both as an honest signal of our big plan, and to exchange contact. As time goes by, we need to keep that up. As much as we play the hug card for fun and style, to a girl locked in solitary lack of contact is serious. Don't expect her to understand it for us, it's our job to figure this out till we get help.)
-[X] Ask her to remember things and tell us the "normal" past from before her Wish - and before she met Yuuri. Get as much of this story as we can for now.
-[X] You've made some progress on helping Yuuri.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. The damage here is done; what matters is making sure she has clear and correct information.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
-[X] This project must be secret for as well as she can keep it: Kyuubey profits from magical girls becoming witches. The more he learns, the easier it will be for him to mess with it.
--[X] Lay down the law about not doing insane or immoral shit with this information.
[X] You want Anri's help exploring dewitching. She wants Yuuri back. You have caveats.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
-[X] Stress how each step is experimental, dangerous, and that we are proceeding with care to neither block our own success, nor risk disaster. Our failure would leave Witches stuck as they are, and leave Magical Girls to the fate Kyuubey gave them.
-[X] Explain Grief is not the only emotion in play - all emotion is magic, and that is our lead theory.
-[X] You *will* try to help Yuuri out. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *Anri* in the process.
-[X] Our current thought is to re-start the emotions of a Witch by having a Magical Girl send them into her Seed.
--[X] Yuuri is depending on her to not damage her soul. You are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral in this process, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
-[X] Anri will be asked to do things, and cooperate with us and other people we will bring to her. The aim is to have Anri rebuild all the good parts of her friend, with feelings she has herself. This will take time.
-[X] We will also need her to learn ordinary meditation, and further practice enchanting. She might have to practice healing others many times.
-[X] Demonstrate Hope magic in front of her.
Interleaving "rules" and "lecture" to create a repetition. I DO want Anri to get the message, so repeating our limitations is right.
Our knowledge of Anri is crude. Yes, she has monomania about Yuuri. What else is on her mind? Do we need to know?
The fruits of bad character interaction are entirely optional here. I think that Sabrina has better odds of leading Anri, than she does by pressuring Anri. If we see a difference in those two routes, why does it exist? Why should we care? Motivation effects final outcome.
If we go straight to operant conditioning, we will never have useful interaction with Anri's future motivations. Don't mistake, we can force her to do "the right things" for a while using our power. Since it costs no more, I would like instead to do a good job at saving both girls.
Improving Anri is about establishing a gradient for her to climb. We don't have an Easy-Bake de-witching oven, or any de-witching at all yet. The only truth we can prove is that lots of effort is required, in some sense or another. Entropy plays no favorites. Work needs to be expended, probably as Magic. Magical power is emotional "power." In this sense, what she needs to become is an "emotional athlete." Homura has the "Endurance" training no one else does. Anri needs something different, by our plans. "Effective form" i.e. more goodness and empathy, is what she's going to use to win. Of course Anri wants to just "bull this through." We aim for a clearer margin of safety and best result, so that needs to be reigned in a bit.
Thus, skipping the "not central to the action" bits is entirely incorrect. Without establishing more of Anri as a person, outside of her relationship dynamic, we have poor ability to direct her. Not having mundane influence over Anri would be a silly goal - the other outcome of a successful de-witching run is a big level bonus for the Magical Girl doing the rescue. It isn't likely planet-cracking force that gets developed(?) rather, the operant de-witching magi must rise to a new level of sensitivity and dynamic control of her magic. But that still means serious real-world powerup.
Do you want to level grind Anri crazy, or sane?
We should have a wider conversation. Mostly, only preparation today. No way do the cuffs come off yet. How on earth does she change who she is by sleeping in a hyperdimensional box while reading mangas for a few days? Must be some awesome titles? Ooorrr we still have to do some work to get Anri on the right path.
I'm 100% certain that talking about Arzt Kochen is fully distracting, so anything of a lighter topic we will have to do first.
[X] Yuki:
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri:
-[X] offer to take her hand right away.
(Both as an honest signal of our big plan, and to exchange contact. As time goes by, we need to keep that up. As much as we play the hug card for fun and style, to a girl locked in solitary lack of contact is serious. Don't expect her to understand it for us, it's our job to figure this out till we get help.)
-[X] Ask her to remember things and tell us the "normal" past from before her Wish - and before she met Yuuri. Get as much of this story as we can for now.
-[X] You've made some progress on helping Yuuri.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. The damage here is done; what matters is making sure she has clear and correct information.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
-[X] This project must be secret for as well as she can keep it: Kyuubey profits from magical girls becoming witches. The more he learns, the easier it will be for him to mess with it.
--[X] Lay down the law about not doing insane or immoral shit with this information.
[X] You want Anri's help exploring dewitching. She wants Yuuri back. You have caveats.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
-[X] Stress how each step is experimental, dangerous, and that we are proceeding with care to neither block our own success, nor risk disaster. Our failure would leave Witches stuck as they are, and leave Magical Girls to the fate Kyuubey gave them.
-[X] Explain Grief is not the only emotion in play - all emotion is magic, and that is our lead theory.
-[X] You *will* try to help Yuuri out. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *Anri* in the process.
-[X] Our current thought is to re-start the emotions of a Witch by having a Magical Girl send them into her Seed.
--[X] Yuuri is depending on her to not damage her soul. You are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral in this process, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
-[X] Anri will be asked to do things, and cooperate with us and other people we will bring to her. The aim is to have Anri rebuild all the good parts of her friend, with feelings she has herself. This will take time.
-[X] We will also need her to learn ordinary meditation, and further practice enchanting. She might have to practice healing others many times.
-[X] Demonstrate Hope magic in front of her.
Interleaving "rules" and "lecture" to create a repetition. I DO want Anri to get the message, so repeating our limitations is right.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Just a small gripe with the update
What do you mean "later"?
Now.
Now is the time. Screw this Diplomacy business
Yuki will understand
Or she won't
Her loss
We're not gonna buy her a stabbity stab then
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- Illinois
Idk if I'd bother with the progress on helping yuuri line. Depends how we want to come off. I was aiming at brutal honesty because it's the course least likely to cause any unnecessary strain -- going in to visit the girl you've been keeping prisoner and opening with "I've made progress on helping the girl you were trying to help (sort of) before I imprisoned you" is relatively high risk. Could work, yes, but could also backfire massively. We're working to help all witched girls, but it's too easy to be interpreted as us trying to lead her around by the nose, basically, cuz no, we haven't made progress helping yuuri specifically
I like the "you will unconditionally try to help yuuri" line. That's great.
The last section, I dunno... I guess we do have to actually vote for it lol... I think I'm cool with it as-is.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Revised vote:
[X] Yuki:
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri:
-[X] You've made some progress with dewitching.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. The damage here is done; what matters is making sure she has clear and correct information.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
[X] You want Anri's help exploring dewitching. She wants Yuuri back. You have caveats.
-[X] You *will* try to help Yuuri out. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *Anri* in the process.
--[X] Lay down the law about not doing insane or immoral shit with this information.
---[X] Yuuri is depending on her to not damage her soul. You are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
[X] Temporarily remove the anti-magic, being alert for Anri's magic.
-[X] Demonstrate channeling hopeful magic into the seed, explain how it works, then let her try.
--[X] Ask Anri to tell you about Yuuri as she works. What was Yuuri like? She clearly meant a lot to her. You think reminding Yuuri of the good things she's done will help her.
[X] Yuki:
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri:
-[X] You've made some progress with dewitching.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. The damage here is done; what matters is making sure she has clear and correct information.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
[X] You want Anri's help exploring dewitching. She wants Yuuri back. You have caveats.
-[X] You *will* try to help Yuuri out. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *Anri* in the process.
--[X] Lay down the law about not doing insane or immoral shit with this information.
---[X] Yuuri is depending on her to not damage her soul. You are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
[X] Temporarily remove the anti-magic, being alert for Anri's magic.
-[X] Demonstrate channeling hopeful magic into the seed, explain how it works, then let her try.
--[X] Ask Anri to tell you about Yuuri as she works. What was Yuuri like? She clearly meant a lot to her. You think reminding Yuuri of the good things she's done will help her.
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- Illinois
Yeah this is fine.
I do kind of wish we would drop some line about not letting QB evade shit and/or tell half-truths here, but I'm not horribly worried about it... Anri is a low-value target.
[X] Redshirt Army
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- a Minecraft Rollercoaster
[X] Redshirt Army
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- SomeWhereElse
[X] Redshirt Army
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
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- Perth, Australia
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- They/Them
[X] Redshirt Army
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- USA, Midworld world line
The concept of Anri here is not similar to what would be implied when I read the backstory.
Let me invite you to exchange any understanding you have about her.
Her Grief is something we can arrest via setting and strength. There are other things we need to do, if we want a more-sane outcome.
Who would like to do the co-dependence symptom essay now?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Interesting thing I just got reminded of on a reread: As a Magical Girl (that is, after her mindwhammy wish), Kirika accidentally kills a girl and completely loses it in guilt. Part of her fixation on Oriko is that Oriko forgave her unconditionally, so she warped her own mind into "Anything at all is permissable for Oriko's sake because Oriko forgives me and accepts me."
PMAS Kirika is... markedly a lot less dangerously crazy, as Canon!Oriko would literally brag about forgetting non-Orikos as soon as conversations were over, making exception for 'saviors' like Mami.
...It might be worth looking into to see if PMAS!Kirika murdered anyone, and if she didn't, this is a very, very critical data point to tell Homura.
PMAS Kirika is... markedly a lot less dangerously crazy, as Canon!Oriko would literally brag about forgetting non-Orikos as soon as conversations were over, making exception for 'saviors' like Mami.
...It might be worth looking into to see if PMAS!Kirika murdered anyone, and if she didn't, this is a very, very critical data point to tell Homura.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It seems pretty unlikely - the conditions around Kirika's wish were very different in PMAS.
As a side note, @Firnagzen , the first page of the thread seems to have lost the link to "semi-canon snippets" it used to have, like the looks into Homura and Mami's mind and the "I wish everything was fixed" mishap you wrote.
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- USA, Midworld world line
In the event anyone would like to plan out the fine point of how to talk to Anri, and maybe get some access to her actual issues, I'll give you some abstract links as a handrail to "why I'm thinking this way."
Anri is both focused on one goal, and using that to defend herself from the Witchbomb. For her it is a messy homestatic reflex, seemingly of poor construction. The important concept is - she has distorted her anger (and everything else after) as part of homeostasis. A self-control mechanism. Projecting things outward is holding off her Grief spiral, and keeping her alive.
Thus, if we talk about Yuuri, all other subjects fall away. Once she gets on that track, she'll stick to it. The conversation will be hijacked. Kirika is on this spectrum, but Anri is deeply involved in a one-sided relationship with a dead girl. She's executing a feedback loop with much higher gain. Runaway feedback.
We need to talk about anything not-Yuuri before de-witching or rules or anything current. It's really quite simple.
In addition, teaching her anything slightly off of her "groove" will likely require vastly extra effort.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
www.albert.io
Logic would seem to require Anri has three sets of problems. One, the mixed interaction of her grief, fear and self-protective anger that let her survive the Witchbomb, and cost her the use of empathy and decency. Under that, she would have to start with other issues that would make her covet / identify with her new friend to this extent. We had some thin clues already. Maybe abandonment? Family illness? Something is amiss, both because the Incubator latched on to her, and the outcome of her going beyond violent outbursts and into irrationality, psychosis and "crazy talk." One doesn't HAVE to be crazy to process the Witchbomb.
(some kind of self-image problem)+(traumatic death of attachment object in front of her)+(self-mortality trauma / Witchbomb) leaves us with Anri at current.
We can ignore that, do only half the job, and clean up the broken pieces again later.
Nothing can stop us from making mistakes - except the will to understand.
We also have the option to play it sensible, complete our basic learning about Anri, and wait before extending both of us into things Anri can't do yet.
Find the missing pieces by going outside of canon during our talk, or be stymied later on.
Anri is both focused on one goal, and using that to defend herself from the Witchbomb. For her it is a messy homestatic reflex, seemingly of poor construction. The important concept is - she has distorted her anger (and everything else after) as part of homeostasis. A self-control mechanism. Projecting things outward is holding off her Grief spiral, and keeping her alive.
Thus, if we talk about Yuuri, all other subjects fall away. Once she gets on that track, she'll stick to it. The conversation will be hijacked. Kirika is on this spectrum, but Anri is deeply involved in a one-sided relationship with a dead girl. She's executing a feedback loop with much higher gain. Runaway feedback.
We need to talk about anything not-Yuuri before de-witching or rules or anything current. It's really quite simple.
In addition, teaching her anything slightly off of her "groove" will likely require vastly extra effort.
Feedforward (behavioral and cognitive science) - Wikipedia
Positive feedback - Wikipedia
Positive and Negative Feedback Loops: Explanation and Examples
Feedback loops are a mechanism to maintain homeostasis, by increasing the response to an event (positive feedback) or (negative feedback).
www.albert.io
Logic would seem to require Anri has three sets of problems. One, the mixed interaction of her grief, fear and self-protective anger that let her survive the Witchbomb, and cost her the use of empathy and decency. Under that, she would have to start with other issues that would make her covet / identify with her new friend to this extent. We had some thin clues already. Maybe abandonment? Family illness? Something is amiss, both because the Incubator latched on to her, and the outcome of her going beyond violent outbursts and into irrationality, psychosis and "crazy talk." One doesn't HAVE to be crazy to process the Witchbomb.
(some kind of self-image problem)+(traumatic death of attachment object in front of her)+(self-mortality trauma / Witchbomb) leaves us with Anri at current.
We can ignore that, do only half the job, and clean up the broken pieces again later.
Nothing can stop us from making mistakes - except the will to understand.
We also have the option to play it sensible, complete our basic learning about Anri, and wait before extending both of us into things Anri can't do yet.
Find the missing pieces by going outside of canon during our talk, or be stymied later on.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
Right, I've been in and am still in no state to write up a countervote, but some points:
1: We're dealing with research not certainly, and this vote makes very little allowance for that.
There's no mention of how long this could take or how little we know. I feel that's an important point to make, because as is the single biggest possible problem is that Anri tries to rush things or gets carried away and we either get standard dewitching problems or her feeling that we lied to her when the hype wears off.
Likewise, there's nothing here about the possibility of failures and false starts. Instead we're going all in on this with no accounting for failure and I really don't think that's wise. Especially given what Firn has said before about false starts, science and the intended feel of research in the quest.
There's major big reason my proposal started with giving Anri explicit choice to start now or not, and that's why. Starting this at all is fine because there's a solid argument that even if it fails it won't cause undue suffering, but it's still a pretty important choice to make.
It may be better to have her practice on Aurora if she doesn't want us to clear Arzt Kochen yet.
2: RE: We will help Yuuri out.
I feel like we might want to establish bonafides here.
Last time we expressed that kind of sympathy to Anri, her response was essentially "where the hell do you get off saying that!" I don't see our relationship with her having progressed beyond that.
Now, admittedly, that was just after dropping her old name on her out of the blue, but I don't see her just trusting us on this.
...
Okay, given the parallels between that situation, her response to it, and deadnaming someone... maybe we should ask what name she wants us to call her. Even if its a bit complicated by us planning to return the original Yuuri.
1: We're dealing with research not certainly, and this vote makes very little allowance for that.
There's no mention of how long this could take or how little we know. I feel that's an important point to make, because as is the single biggest possible problem is that Anri tries to rush things or gets carried away and we either get standard dewitching problems or her feeling that we lied to her when the hype wears off.
Likewise, there's nothing here about the possibility of failures and false starts. Instead we're going all in on this with no accounting for failure and I really don't think that's wise. Especially given what Firn has said before about false starts, science and the intended feel of research in the quest.
There's major big reason my proposal started with giving Anri explicit choice to start now or not, and that's why. Starting this at all is fine because there's a solid argument that even if it fails it won't cause undue suffering, but it's still a pretty important choice to make.
It may be better to have her practice on Aurora if she doesn't want us to clear Arzt Kochen yet.
2: RE: We will help Yuuri out.
I feel like we might want to establish bonafides here.
Last time we expressed that kind of sympathy to Anri, her response was essentially "where the hell do you get off saying that!" I don't see our relationship with her having progressed beyond that.
Now, admittedly, that was just after dropping her old name on her out of the blue, but I don't see her just trusting us on this.
...
Okay, given the parallels between that situation, her response to it, and deadnaming someone... maybe we should ask what name she wants us to call her. Even if its a bit complicated by us planning to return the original Yuuri.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Oof, that's an excellent point.
[X] Yuki:
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri:
-[X] Ask what she'd like you to call her, and stick to that name.
-[X] You've made some progress with dewitching.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. The damage here is done; what matters is making sure she has clear and correct information.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
[X] You want her help exploring dewitching. She wants her friend back. You have caveats.
-[X] You *will* try to crack dewitching, and if you do, you'll provide it. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *her* in the process.
-[X] You won't make any changes to her friend's grief seed without her permission.
-[X] You're approaching this slowly and cautiously. Anything else puts girls' souls at stake.
--[X] Her friend is depending on her to not damage her soul. *You* are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
[X] Offer to cleanse her friend's grief seed.
-[X] Demonstrate channeling hopeful magic into Aurora, and explain how to do it.
-[X] Offer to remove the antimagic and let her try, on Aurora or her friend's seed, if she wants.
[X] Ask her to tell you about her friend. What was she like? She clearly meant a lot to her. You think reminding Yuuri of the good things she's done, and channeling those memories into her soul with magic, may help her.
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- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Those guys that get killed to make the situation seem tense for Kirk and his buddies
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- USA, Midworld world line
[X] Yuki:
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri
-[X] offer to take her hand right away.
-[X] Ask her to remember things and tell us the "normal" past from before her Wish - and before she met Yuuri. Get as much of this story as we can for now.
--[X] Pay attention to her response if she won't accept "Anri" as her name. It isn't our focus to figure that out today.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. Clear and correct information are less dangerous.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
[X] You want Anri's help exploring dewitching. She wants Yuuri back. You have caveats.
-[X] This project must be secret for as well as she can keep it: Kyuubey profits from magical girls becoming witches. The more he learns, the easier it will be for him to mess with it.
--[X] Lay down the law about not doing insane or immoral shit with this information.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
-[X] Stress how each step is experimental, dangerous, and that we are proceeding with care to neither block our own success, nor risk disaster. Our failure would leave Witches stuck as they are, and leave Magical Girls to the fate Kyuubey gave them.
-[X] Explain Grief is not the only emotion in play - all emotion is magic, and that is our lead theory.
-[X] You *will* try to help Yuuri out. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *Anri* in the process.
-[X] Our current thought is to re-start the emotions of a Witch by having a Magical Girl send them into her Seed.
--[X] Yuuri is depending on her to not damage her soul. You are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral in this process, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
-[X] Anri will be asked to do things, and cooperate with us and other people we will bring to her. The aim is to have Anri rebuild all the good parts of her friend, with feelings she has herself. This will take time.
-[X] We will also need her to learn ordinary meditation, and further practice enchanting. She might have to practice healing others many times.
-[X] Demonstrate Hope magic in front of her.
In action, we should then "notice if she won't let us call her Anri." Our main goal today is to begin the program, whatever she thinks her name is. When we get nearer to having a person named Yuuri once again, we would have to resolve the identity theft. There is time, time enough to get specialist help.
-[X] You'll talk to Anri first, but you do have more to discuss with her and her team later.
[X] Anri
-[X] offer to take her hand right away.
-[X] Ask her to remember things and tell us the "normal" past from before her Wish - and before she met Yuuri. Get as much of this story as we can for now.
--[X] Pay attention to her response if she won't accept "Anri" as her name. It isn't our focus to figure that out today.
-[X] Lichbomb and Witchbomb her as needed. Clear and correct information are less dangerous.
--[X] There's dozens of magical girls that can confirm everything you've said, including Yuki.
[X] You want Anri's help exploring dewitching. She wants Yuuri back. You have caveats.
-[X] This project must be secret for as well as she can keep it: Kyuubey profits from magical girls becoming witches. The more he learns, the easier it will be for him to mess with it.
--[X] Lay down the law about not doing insane or immoral shit with this information.
-[X] Plop Aurora down in front of her, explain everything you've done to and know about that seed, and how it ties into de-witching.
-[X] Stress how each step is experimental, dangerous, and that we are proceeding with care to neither block our own success, nor risk disaster. Our failure would leave Witches stuck as they are, and leave Magical Girls to the fate Kyuubey gave them.
-[X] Explain Grief is not the only emotion in play - all emotion is magic, and that is our lead theory.
-[X] You *will* try to help Yuuri out. That's unconditional. What's not unconditional is involving *Anri* in the process.
-[X] Our current thought is to re-start the emotions of a Witch by having a Magical Girl send them into her Seed.
--[X] Yuuri is depending on her to not damage her soul. You are depending on her to not do anything particularly immoral in this process, because while you'd like to work with her, you are not going to compromise your morals to do it.
-[X] Anri will be asked to do things, and cooperate with us and other people we will bring to her. The aim is to have Anri rebuild all the good parts of her friend, with feelings she has herself. This will take time.
-[X] We will also need her to learn ordinary meditation, and further practice enchanting. She might have to practice healing others many times.
-[X] Demonstrate Hope magic in front of her.
I'll think that this is pretty wise, and thank you. The full execution should also keep in mind that we want to not add to her illness process. If she would allow us to not call her Yuuri, that is healthier. If she wants a name other than Anri, it's her life. Specifically "taking the life of" someone else is more of a illness process, than an expression of self. Definitely don't "ask her if she wants to be called Yuuri" as that is a leading question. A hard stop on her identity issue today is too much if she is fighting over it. If Anri doesn't fight over it, I see no reason to surrender progress towards rationality.
In action, we should then "notice if she won't let us call her Anri." Our main goal today is to begin the program, whatever she thinks her name is. When we get nearer to having a person named Yuuri once again, we would have to resolve the identity theft. There is time, time enough to get specialist help.
Rrrgrh. Sorry, it looks like I won't be updating tonight. I'd meant to finish it up, but then my energy levels dropped through the floor. I'll update tomorrow, hopefully.
Fixed that, at least.