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I'm a bit curious as to how an attempt at de-witching led the MG in question to conclude that Witch fusion was an appropriate approach.

I am also wondering what happens if one manages to de-witch a witch who was born from a familiar rather then a MG.
 
Cae Lumis said:
Perhaps Witch Fusion wasn't so much the intent, but rather some sort of backfire from whatever method they did use to try and revive said Magical Girls?
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Well in Kazumi Magica the saints dewitching attempts also eventually lead to a containment breach that formed a Walpurgisnact (technically two)
It might be a common phenomena when people start trying to mess with grief seeds and the idea or dewitching
 
soulsguardian said:
Well in Kazumi Magica the saints dewitching attempts also eventually lead to a containment breach that formed a Walpurgisnact (technically two)
It might be a common phenomena when people start trying to mess with grief seeds and the idea or dewitching
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Kind of. Dawn of Hyades was created by the Freezer's containment enchantment failing (due to caster death), but that only involved dewitching indirectly-- when they got Witchbombed, the Saints started a purge of other magical girls in the city so that they wouldn't become Witches until they'd finished figuring out dewitching.
 
Always Happening said:
Kind of. Dawn of Hyades was created by the Freezer's containment enchantment failing (due to caster death), but that only involved dewitching indirectly-- when they got Witchbombed, the Saints started a purge of other magical girls in the city so that they wouldn't become Witches until they'd finished figuring out dewitching.
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Also, uh... someone deliberately tied the witches together. *cough*
 
my first thoughts for talking to Anri is to just be... straight foward. Our reasons for wanting to do this are genuine and decent, and in the long wrong it helps her IIRC since she lost a friend to witching out (IIRC... sometimes I lose track)

No idea what to get further information on... what are current critical intelligence needs?
 
Oh, we should totally bring that up to Yuki. Honestly, we should totally bring up everything to Yuki. I imagine, especially with her reaction to our de-Witching discussion, that she'd much prefer too much information to too little. (Though that is more difficult to put into votes, and more work for Firn, which is suboptimal. Hmm.)

But honestly, Yuki's way smart, reasonable, solidly in our corner (as far as it is reasonable for her to be, at least) and has said she wants to be kept in the loop. For pretty much everything we're planning that isn't *not* ours to share (Homura's loops and the potential bomb, for example), we really should be passing on to Yuki.
 
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Maybe we should make a write up on stuff we know and hand it off at some point, cause while you're right, we would be safer going the "to much information" route, but at the same time we don't really have the time to go over everything
 
Bleh, I still think we could have worked out some way to work with Rionna, and the reminder of how that debacle went down is still a sore point, but it is good to see progress still being made on the plans she would have been a part of.

With that off my chest, im gonna echo the sentiment that we lose nothing by being forthright and honest
 
soulsguardian said:
Maybe we should make a write up on stuff we know and hand it off at some point, cause while you're right, we would be safer going the "to much information" route, but at the same time we don't really have the time to go over everything
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Ooh I like this idea-- maybe write up a list of bullet points, and Yuki can go over them on her on time and brainmail us with any questions?
 
I kept it unchecked since we may end up doing Airi psychology instead, but here's my rough outline of the biggest issues we should discuss with Fukushima.

[ ] Speak to Yuki's team about:

[ ] The Iowa Group:
-[ ] You'd like to gather information and make preparations. What does Fukushima know about Iowa, and who else do they think we should ask?
--[ ] Once you have actionable data, you're considering a pre-emptive strike. You'll keep Fukushima in the loop and won't execute anything unilaterally, since it'll affect them too.

[ ] The Soujus
-[ ] Has Fukushima heard of them? Explain them briefly if not.
-[ ] You've heard they might be near Mitakihara around Monday. Mitakihara can deal with them, but if Yuki wants to send someone under the defence pact you won't say no.
-[] Either way, once they're incapacitated, you'll likely hand them off to Fukushima for safekeeping.

[ ] Tokyo
-[ ] You were planning on scheduling the Tokyo visit for Tuesday at 4:30 PM. You'll provide transport.
-[ ] Does Yuki's team have concerns or need to clear the air with you? You'd like to present a united front.
-[ ] Confirm the enchantments will be ready.

[ ] Your Upcoming Schedule
-[ ] Do they know anything about the Murasaki Shrine Maidens? You've heard good things from Nadia and wanted to fit them in on Saturday.
 
Okay so I am really sorry to bring this up, especially right after Firn told someone else to stop, but I just want to say one thing about Rionna.

It feels so wrong, very , very wrong, to leave her gemmed and have that be her state for the rest of the story. Now I'll be honest and say that I don't particularly recall if anything has been mentioned by other characters what will occur for her from here on out. However, if no one has said what will occur with her, or even that anything will beyond what has just occurred in the latest chapter I do not see her situation changing. Honestly it just feels really, to put it the only way that currently occurs to me, out-of-character to leave her as she is forever. Which will occur simply because the thread is not allowed to mention her. Honestly I just would really like it if someone, just about anyone, said something along the lines of "Oh Rionna? Yeah we'll figure out something to do with her," just to flipping put an end to us having to really worry about her. Because if something like that isn't/already hasn't been done the thought of "Oh yeah Rionna exists" is just gonna keep being there.

Again, I really am sorry to bring anything up about Rionna. I just don't want to essentially leave a thread hanging for all of eternity of what going to happen with her now, especially after bringing up in the chapter that Homura (if I remember correctly) is still keeping her body in the meantime. I'll say it one last time, I'm sorry for bring this up, but after the latest chapter I just feel as if this was something that needed to be brought up. Sorry (again).
 
I think you're getting ahead of yourself RE: Tokyo Redshirt. We should really be calling the Chidoya group & others in Tokyo to arrange the visit first before deciding when it is unilaterally. Otherwise our plans could fall apart in the face of a scheduling conflict.

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My own present thoughts

First, a question, do we discuss metaknowledge with Fukushima? With Anri?

I can see discussion of our knowledge regarding the Asunaro dewitching being quite useful, but there's a question of whether to pin it on Oriko.

Also, given the wishes Yuki made clear in this conversation we're probably going to have to talk about Feathers at some point. Likely sooner rather than later.

Something I still want to push for: With the nature of the incident Fukushima was involved in I think we can be reasonably certain that everyone knows about witches here. Prudence may behoove us to ask if everyone is able to talk about the witchbomb, but I feel like would work best to gain the who's who of who knows what while we discuss hiring. Magic therapists are easier to call in if we know one who's witchbombed for instance.

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Present thoughts on the talk with Anri:

[] The choice to begin now or wait is hers, and it's mostly about whether she wants to get to work, or wait until we can be more certain.
[] This project must be secret for as well as she can keep it: Kyuubey profits from magical girls becoming witches. The more he learns, the easier it will be for him to mess with it.

Dewitching Plans and Pitfalls:

[] You have no idea how the soul is structured, or how clearing a seed affects it in any way, let along becoming a witch in the first place. You intend to find out, but until you figure out how to make proper contact with Aurora all you've got is baseless guesses. This is the main big thing you feel Anri might want to wait for.

[] As best you can tell, feeding the seed will require Anri have good experiences herself. (Bit about taking good care of herself for her friend's sake.)
 
Alternate Soul said:
Okay so I am really sorry to bring this up, especially right after Firn told someone else to stop, but I just want to say one thing about Rionna.

It feels so wrong, very , very wrong, to leave her gemmed and have that be her state for the rest of the story. Now I'll be honest and say that I don't particularly recall if anything has been mentioned by other characters what will occur for her from here on out. However, if no one has said what will occur with her, or even that anything will beyond what has just occurred in the latest chapter I do not see her situation changing. Honestly it just feels really, to put it the only way that currently occurs to me, out-of-character to leave her as she is forever. Which will occur simply because the thread is not allowed to mention her. Honestly I just would really like it if someone, just about anyone, said something along the lines of "Oh Rionna? Yeah we'll figure out something to do with her," just to flipping put an end to us having to really worry about her. Because if something like that isn't/already hasn't been done the thought of "Oh yeah Rionna exists" is just gonna keep being there.

Again, I really am sorry to bring anything up about Rionna. I just don't want to essentially leave a thread hanging for all of eternity of what going to happen with her now, especially after bringing up in the chapter that Homura (if I remember correctly) is still keeping her body in the meantime. I'll say it one last time, I'm sorry for bring this up, but after the latest chapter I just feel as if this was something that needed to be brought up. Sorry (again).
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Firn will probably have the matter be resolved in a Timeskip or epilogue or something because it's not fucking worth it and it nearly killed the quest for real.

And if people don't fucking drop it I'll start voting to Gemsmash her so she stops coming up.
 
Alternate Soul said:
Honestly I just would really like it if someone, just about anyone, said something along the lines of "Oh Rionna? Yeah we'll figure out something to do with her," just to flipping put an end to us having to really worry about her.
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It's already happened. Don't bring it up again.

Firnagzen said:
Yuki's willing to take charge of the Soul Gem, and seems relieved when you mention that you intend to wake her up when you have better councillors available than yourself.
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Firnagzen said:
"I... I've been debating with myself what I should do with her."

Sayaka rolls her eyes. "This again?"

"I don't want to just put her in jail," you say. "And I refuse to turn into the kind of person who might, who might leave someone in a permanent magical coma. I'm not that kind of person, and that's not the kind of world I want to create."

"Yeah," Sayaka says, and shrugs. "So don't."

"Set down a hard deadline or criteria for yourself and adhere to it," Oriko says, shrugging delicately. "It's a common enough technique, and if I may speak for all of us - I think everyone here would be glad to keep you on track for that."

"It seems like a good way to keep things in check, Sabrina," Mami says with a warm smile. "What conditions would you want to have on Rionna's... revival?"

"I... When we have psychiatric care that can actually help her. Is... is that OK?" you bite your lip, looking around at your friends. "I don't want to make it an indefinite thing, and I want to help her."

"Why not stick her with Airi?" Sayaka asks.

"I don't... well, I thought about it," you admit. "It's something I wanted to ask you guys. With her powers, she'd be difficult to secure, though I'm sure that Miss Tsuruya would be able to secure her appropriately. But I worry that... given Rionna's issues, it might not be good to let her be imprisoned and unable to do anything. If anything, she might just get worse in the meantime."

Mami nods firmly. "I don't think anyone could fault you for preferring to keep her as a Soul Gem for now. You don't intend it to be a permanent solution, after all."

"And it's not a punishment," Oriko murmurs. "That's important."

"Yeah..." Sayaka says, giving Oriko a glare. "I mean, it's not like you're doing it when there's a better option available."

"I..." you make a face. "I'm just... worried."

"Of being a tyrant or something?" Sayaka asks. "Psht, yeah, right. You?"

"We're here," Homura says, folding her hands on her lap.

Mami nods firmly, smiling. "There's no way it could happen, Sabrina," she says. "You're a good person, and... Homura's right. We can keep you on the straight and narrow."
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I just found something potentially relevant in Witch Quest.
Firnagzen said:
My personal criterion for Best End?
-Everyone lives. Beating Walmartnight is barely a speedbump.
-Become the immortal Illuminati spinning our webs of influence over the world.
-Go to space.
-Conquer the Incubators. Not because we hate them. But because we can. Because we can do a better job than them.
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We seem to be on track?
 
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