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Okay so we DEFINITELY need to buy a baseball bat as a gift for Homura before school is out today. That idea is wonderful.

We should explain to Yuki one of the reasons why we're keeping Kyubey in the dark beyond the obvious. Explain that he wants Witches for energy, and we suspect dewitching would imply a reversal of that process, which is directly counter to his goals.

Note that I'm working off of this assumption because if the dewitching process were energy neutral or positive, a witching -> dewitching -> witching cycle would be a way to get more energy out of a single soul. Kyubey would have already done it, or at least shown methods to meguca to do it, if dewitching weren't energy negative.

This is based off of the assumption that classical direct dewitching (as opposed to Kazumi style dewitching) is possible without Sabrina's powers.
 
Godwinson said:
"This is a cluebat, Homura. I want you to hit me with if I'm about to do something dumb."
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Key part of this is choosing a bat with an aroma we don't mind, and perhaps a pleasant musical resonance. We'll be getting to know this bat.

@Kaizuki - please, go on. Your candidate has good sense, I'd like to see a vote where your argument technique flows the actual constraints of our concept of de-witching, along with the security tasks we are contemplating.

I'm trying to promote the conversation where we keep in mind Yuki's interest, her economic bias if you will. She bought in so as to "not be left behind." One good way to deliver that is to seek her advice. In de-witching tech, she has more interest in preventing failure, than reaching new success. It isn't in her competence zone. Her interest in Soujo is likely more comprehensive, as the situation is more congruent to her experience. Planning with Yuki is a good activity, I expect her to both have insight as well as feel assured that we wanted it.

These two come together in asking her about a prospective "body shop" facility. The result of victory over Soujo, the obvious desired outcome for our allies, has a disruptive opportunity we are anticipating - hostages to liberate. The plan to get their Soul Gems attached to new bodies is radical, but not nearly as unprecedented as de-witching. The price for failure is much lower. We are presenting an intermediate goal - something financial partners like to see in a business plan!

Thus, actually moving to build this capacity and sharing that with Yuki (in privacy) sounds like strong progress for us.
 
Kaizuki said:
[X] Somewhere on your priorities list, below staying alive, sane, and non-evil, there's an entry that says "figure out how to turn a clear seed back into a soul gem."
> Establish that avoiding the various pitfalls associated with dewitching is more important to us than dewitching. "I do x y and z instead."
-[X] You hadn't known that dewitching had the reputation that it does until after you spoke with Ms. Bennouna, but in hindsight it makes a lot of sense. The first step to it would inevitably be to remove all of the grief from a grief seed, because dewitching a girl with exponentially more grief in her soul than it took to witch her out in the first place would be impossible, but doing that without your powers would be infeasible... Absent, at any rate, doing a ton of really evil, immoral shit. You suspect that all the badness around the topic is not a coincidence.
> "Draw the rest of the fucking cat, nya."
--[X] But once all the grief is out of the seed... You've got a clear seed doing Weird Shit already, and all you really did was toss a bit of magic at it while channeling happy thoughts. Where that's going, specifically, you have no idea -- but you felt she should know.
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I think you could probably ditch the entire middle there, or at least make it conditional on her freaking out. Some of our more problematic conversations in the past were because we started with a broad thesis (We're working on dewitching, we knew Mami before we met her, one or two others that I noted at the time and have since forgotten) and then were stuck correcting the resulting misconceptions, rather than stabbing straight to the heart of the issue at the start. Your opening here is stronger in that regard, but I think it could still be improved.

[] Since how Clear Seeds interact with Grief Seeds implies that they might be part of the way to Soul Gems, you've been channeling positive emotions into a Clear Seed in the hope of eventually getting it the rest of the way.

Short, direct, explains how we got to this point, doesn't leave her wondering what kind of horrific mad science we're doing in pursuit of our goals.
 
So, with Community Council elections permitting campaigning now, I'll go ahead and slap down a link here, and note that both myself and @Redshirt Army are standing for nomination.

Though I will say, that I'm probably not the best choice for Community Council member, in terms of being able to do the job well. I'm mainly throwing my hat into the ring because I think SV needs to me more aware of the Community Council's work, and on a point of stubborn pride.
 
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Maybe the reason Kyuubey hasn't shut us down yet is because it's actually interested in how everything pans out. I mean, Sabrina's a very unique soul that it's never seen before, and ours is a unique and oddly specific Wish with some very unique powers. Maybe it's observing our results. And probably being whatever its version of frustrated is because we're so inefficient with our testing.
 
Probably Demonic said:
Maybe the reason Kyuubey hasn't shut us down yet is because it's actually interested in how everything pans out. I mean, Sabrina's a very unique soul that it's never seen before, and ours is a unique and oddly specific Wish with some very unique powers. Maybe it's observing our results. And probably being whatever its version of frustrated is because we're so inefficient with our testing.
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Theres a reason we're trying to cut him out of the loop wherever possible
 
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I'm actually still pretty convinced Rionna was in some sense at least partially a QB plot and she totally could have killed us, maybe.
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Ditto, after all... where has that little white Rat been anyway? The length of time it hasn't been pestering us... I dunno, it helps in the sense of keeping away from Madoka from contracting, but at the same time... I can't help but feel a little wary...
 
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Ditto, after all... where has that little white Rat been anyway? The length of time it hasn't been pestering us... I dunno, it helps in the sense of keeping away from Madoka from contracting, but at the same time... I can't help but feel a little wary...
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You know John Mulaney's horse in the hospital bit?
Its a bit like that
The scariest days are when you don't hear from the rat at all
 
Understanding Kyuubey's actual sensor suite would be a good start - not that we have time to do that. It is certainly laying low - remember, this thing is some variety of super intelligence. Even if it has flaws, some of what is does is "perfect" compared to us. Our nature is outside of prediction, even for magic. Not communicating with us IS a form of attack - it is trying to improve its ability to understand. It has demonstrated superhuman focus and patience for certain. That isn't affecting our actions, however. We are about our people, and executing our personal and cultural transformations is improved by partitioning some info away from the Incubator. We are on thew same planet with it, but it isn't our focus, just an obstacle. No matter its accomplished deeds, or its ability, we will focus on the victories we can achieve.

[] Somewhere on your priorities list, below staying alive, sane, and non-evil, there's an entry that says "figure out how to turn a clear seed back into a soul gem."
[] Since how Clear Seeds interact with Grief Seeds implies that they might be part of the way to Soul Gems, you've been channeling positive emotions into a Clear Seed in the hope of eventually getting it the rest of the way.
-[] Choose according to reaction from Yuki:

--[] You hadn't known that dewitching had the reputation that it does until after you spoke with Ms. Bennouna, but in hindsight it makes a lot of sense. The first step to it would inevitably be to remove all of the grief from a grief seed, because dewitching a girl with exponentially more grief in her soul than it took to witch her out in the first place would be impossible, but doing that without your powers would be infeasible... Absent, at any rate, doing a ton of really evil, immoral shit. You suspect that all the badness around the topic is not a coincidence.

--[] But once all the grief is out of the seed... You've got a clear seed doing Weird Shit already, and all you really did was toss a bit of magic at it while channeling happy thoughts. Where that's going, specifically, you have no idea -- but you felt she should know.

--[] We see a possibility to save victims of Soujo and Soujo, that would require a scaled up effort. Ask her advice on building a workshop / hospital. Additional cooperating people have to be accommodated.

--[] There are failure modes - total amnesia if the soul comes back, not creating a Soul Gem, just a different Witch with copies of our powers, salvaging a Soul Gem that is effectively a different person, etc.

--[] We understand the difficulty of skirting natural Law, we just aren't sure which parts are Law yet.

I was hoping Kaizuki wanted to make a further iteration, here is what was on my mind.
Make a resource block, that would allow detailed reactions without restricting ourselves to one response from the girl we are talking to.
Tsurya has more to her than a safehouse and Da Girls. While she's very different from Mami, her Clever stat is OP. As allies, we should see if that buffs us.

Please, anyone put up further concerns to "what Yuki wants to hear from us, what we need to ask of Yuki"
 
HeroCycle said:
[] Somewhere on your priorities list, below staying alive, sane, and non-evil, there's an entry that says "figure out how to turn a clear seed back into a soul gem."
[] Since how Clear Seeds interact with Grief Seeds implies that they might be part of the way to Soul Gems, you've been channeling positive emotions into a Clear Seed in the hope of eventually getting it the rest of the way.
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My thing was meant to lead the vote. I like Kaizuki's mentioning clear seeds, but feel like leading with an assurance that we're not evil before detailing anything can only be counterproductive.
 
Yeah I spent yesterday in a car and today feeling like said car had run me over so i'll update my vote tomorrow morning/afternoon probs
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DB_Explorer on Jul 30, 2019 at 9:41 PM, finished with 51 posts and 4 votes.
  • [X] Upon arriving:
    -[X] Thank Fukushima again for their assistance.
    -[X] Ask how secure Yuki can make her territory from QB's eavesdropping.
    -[X] Hand over Rionna, "offscreen".
    -[X] Ask if they have information about:
    --[X] The Soujus.
    --[X] The Murasaki Shrine Maidens.
    --[X] Trustworthy magical girls with empathy/therapy powers.
    [X] With Yuki, privately:
    -[X] Discuss your dewitching plans, in the context of Airi's mental state.
    --[X] Keep in mind Nadia's reaction, and reassure Yuki that you're being cautious, ethical, and methodical.
    -[X] Request letting Airi channel her emotions into Yuuri's grief seed - this will require temporarily removing the anti-magic manacle.
    -[X] Ask for a more detailed overview of Airi's mental state, to inform your approach to her.
    [x] How much do you know of the origin of witches?
    [X] Somewhere on your priorities list, below staying alive, sane, and non-evil, there's an entry that says "figure out how to turn a clear seed back into a soul gem."
    -[X] You hadn't known that dewitching had the reputation that it does until after you spoke with Ms. Bennouna, but in hindsight it makes a lot of sense. The first step to it would inevitably be to remove all of the grief from a grief seed, because dewitching a girl with exponentially more grief in her soul than it took to witch her out in the first place would be impossible, but doing that without your powers would be infeasible... Absent, at any rate, doing a ton of really evil, immoral shit. You suspect that all the badness around the topic is not a coincidence.
    --[X] But once all the grief is out of the seed... You've got a clear seed doing Weird Shit already, and all you really did was toss a bit of magic at it while channeling happy thoughts. Where that's going, specifically, you have no idea -- but you felt she should know.
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Also if anybody would like to chip in a bit more we're most of the way to replacing Mami's art tablet so that we can get art of some stuff like the Mami-Homu-Brina hugs from last night IC. There's something like $225 unlisted (got sent through alternative channels) and I have reason to believe another lump sum is getting tossed in tonight, so if you're reading this and you'd care to chip in five, ten bucks, that might well be the remainder of what we need.
 
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