Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't like this. Sakura'll answer by blaming us for causing a ruckus with our display of witchyness.
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Where I disagree with Cannongerbil's:
We already know why they were in Ishinomaki (the healing circuit). Asking seems pointless.
No, we're not "letting that one go". Not going to pretend to tolerate that action.
Not starting off friendly then adding intimidation. Start off at drill sergeant, and tighten the screws from there.
Bits that I would pull from gerbil's:
Hold off on grief cleansing until we've started to get some answers.
Ask about what grudge the Ishinomaki girls have against the Sendai girls, rather than the generic "Why are there so many magical girls coming into this fight?"
Other:
Focus on groups and motivations rather than leaders and personalities.
Revised various bits:
[x] Restrain upsetness, but make it clear we're not tolerating independent action. Retrieve Akiko and fall back to a more secure position.
[x] Be paranoid for a few kilometers. If anything pings your senses, get ready for a fight but do not engage pre-emptively, and focus on trying to outrun if possible.
[x] Try to find an empty place to hole up, preferably in a relatively out of the way location.
[x] No grief cleansing til we've gotten some answers.
[x] Questions:
-[x] First of all, DAMMIT SAKURA. We were trying for the diplomatic solution and you've cocked that right the FUCK up.
-[x] Second, what the hell is going on. Why are there so many magical girls coming into this fight, and why was that group after you?
-[x] Who else is involved? (Merely confirmation of what we already know, but gives us an excuse to reference them in further questions.)
-[x] Tell us everything you know about these other groups (Tohoku, mainly). Their leaders, capabilities, dispositions, and motivations.
-[x] Finally, what is Sendai's stake in all this bullshit? It's a giant clusterfuck, it doesn't seem like their style to get involved in this sort of thing.
We already know why they were in Ishinomaki (the healing circuit). Asking seems pointless.
No, we're not "letting that one go". Not going to pretend to tolerate that action.
Not starting off friendly then adding intimidation. Start off at drill sergeant, and tighten the screws from there.
Bits that I would pull from gerbil's:
Hold off on grief cleansing until we've started to get some answers.
Ask about what grudge the Ishinomaki girls have against the Sendai girls, rather than the generic "Why are there so many magical girls coming into this fight?"
Other:
Focus on groups and motivations rather than leaders and personalities.
Revised various bits:
[x] Restrain upsetness, but make it clear we're not tolerating independent action. Retrieve Akiko and fall back to a more secure position.
[x] Be paranoid for a few kilometers. If anything pings your senses, get ready for a fight but do not engage pre-emptively, and focus on trying to outrun if possible.
[x] Try to find an empty place to hole up, preferably in a relatively out of the way location.
[x] No grief cleansing til we've gotten some answers.
[x] Questions:
-[x] First of all, DAMMIT SAKURA. We were trying for the diplomatic solution and you've cocked that right the FUCK up.
-[x] Second, what the hell is going on. Why are there so many magical girls coming into this fight, and why was that group after you?
-[x] Who else is involved? (Merely confirmation of what we already know, but gives us an excuse to reference them in further questions.)
-[x] Tell us everything you know about these other groups (Tohoku, mainly). Their leaders, capabilities, dispositions, and motivations.
-[x] Finally, what is Sendai's stake in all this bullshit? It's a giant clusterfuck, it doesn't seem like their style to get involved in this sort of thing.
I think the point is to set the tone, and express our current feelings on the subject of her behavior. How she reacts is secondary. And if she's blaming us for giving them a chance to escape, well....
Muramasa
Best Girl
I'm not thrilled with Gerbil's tone here. Modifying the vote.
[x] To Sakura: "Fine, I'll let that one go, but from now I'm not going to tolerate that bullshit. I'm here to stop a war. Not leave a body trail. From now on, no killing. No severe injuries unless we absolutely have to. Got it?"
[x] Grab Akiko and get everyone onto the grief express. We're getting out of here.
-[x] ...or teleport. Teleporting's good.
[x] (If Grief Express) Head out of the city towards Sendai. Keep an eye out for other megucas, but try and outrun anyone following us instead of engaging.
-[x] Question time while en route (or post teleport):
--[x] Alright, what the hell is going on? What were you three doing in Ishinomaki in the first place?
--[x] Who were those girls, and why was that group after you?
--[x] The Tohoku and Fukushima group? Why are they involved in this?
---[x] Tell us everything you know about the Tohoku group. Their leaders, capabilities, disposition, etc.
[x] To Sakura: "Fine, I'll let that one go, but from now I'm not going to tolerate that bullshit. I'm here to stop a war. Not leave a body trail. From now on, no killing. No severe injuries unless we absolutely have to. Got it?"
[x] Grab Akiko and get everyone onto the grief express. We're getting out of here.
-[x] ...or teleport. Teleporting's good.
[x] (If Grief Express) Head out of the city towards Sendai. Keep an eye out for other megucas, but try and outrun anyone following us instead of engaging.
-[x] Question time while en route (or post teleport):
--[x] Alright, what the hell is going on? What were you three doing in Ishinomaki in the first place?
--[x] Who were those girls, and why was that group after you?
--[x] The Tohoku and Fukushima group? Why are they involved in this?
---[x] Tell us everything you know about the Tohoku group. Their leaders, capabilities, disposition, etc.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
It won't help anything if we end up bitching back and forth.
Also, why are we voting to fly out when we can teleport?
Muramasa
Best Girl
Covered in my vote.
I think we'll need to cleanse Sakura before we can do a full teleport. If I remember correctly, she needed to de-grief after she retrieved Akiko the first time we met up. Teleporting 5 people back to Mitakihara in her current state may not be feasible.
Uncreative
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So um... Hi everyone, I'm new here. Apparently I picked a great time to jump on this particular quest. I think I like Cannongerbil's vote best here.
[x] Cannongerbil
Let's hope nothing goes horribly wrong as a result.
[x] Cannongerbil
Let's hope nothing goes horribly wrong as a result.
*Looks over Muramasa's vote*
Seems good to me.
[X] Muramasa
Seems good to me.
[X] Muramasa
No arguing. We can express our disdain for her complaints, but the person we're here to talk to is Akiko. Simply ignore the little yorkie.
Muramasa's has the same issue with asking them why they're in Ishinomaki in the first place. Again, we already know why; that was explained the last time we met.
Would also still suggest asking about the general participants before we reveal we already know Tohoku and Fukushima are involved.
Would also still suggest asking about the general participants before we reveal we already know Tohoku and Fukushima are involved.
Muramasa
Best Girl
It doesn't explain why Akiko intended to be in Ishinomaki pre lichbombing Rin. We know she was expected to appear there before hand.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
That'll make us look reaaaally mature.
Sabrina: *bitch bitch bitch*
Sakura: Hey! It's your fau-
Sabrina: "Hey! Only I can bitch at people! Totally ignoring you now!
We do? I thought, from Oriko's statement that we'd moved up the timetables by our actions, that we'd made it so that Akiko ended up there far before it was normally expected. Not sure where to search for confirmation one way or the other.
Then you don't know how to pull off a proper snub.
Granted, Sabrina may not either, so...
Muramasa
Best Girl
Go back to when she was first introduced. She was surprised Sakura didn't teleport her to Ishinomaki.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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She said they melted. When we tear them apart or tear the grief out of Familiars, they both turn into ash.
Both our magics cause Withces to come apart, but I think the mechanism is different. It suggests that Witches are made up of both Grief and magic and the two are separate -though likely related- forces.
Just minor confirmation that we'll most likely need to cleanse Sakura before any teleport.
Essentially, Akiko wasn't expected to be needed until something happened in Ishinomaki. She also would have expected that whatever she was needed for would allow time for Sakura to teleport and get her, and thereby be something where all three of them would be together, and no expectation of active hostilities.
The fact that all three of them were not together when they were attacked indicates that, whatever Akiko may have expected to be needed for, she wasn't anticipating being needed for it at the time of the attack. Either that, or she decided to take care of it early, and, due to not expecting hostilities related to whatever the activity was, allowed Rin and Sakura to continue their circuit.
If she was meeting with, for example, Ishinomaki's leader for some sort of negotiation, she may have been surprised by having the trap sprung on her then. Also, if she'd expected to be teleported in for that negotiation, the outcome likely would have been different (or the trap held off entirely) due to all three of them being present in the same location, with an easy escape due to Sakura's presence. This assumes that Sakura and Rin would have finished their ostensible duties by the time they brought Akiko in, rather than having Akiko present before they went off to do their thing.
Thus the questions, "Why were you there?" is easily answered without any need to divulge any specific private negotiations. "Why were you attacked?", however, allows openings for questions regarding the setup and circumstances of when it happened, which may then allow for a more specific probe into the purpose of Akiko's presence in particular (which is only vaguely included by the "Why were you there?" question, unless we specifically denote it as relating to Akiko herself).
Asking Akiko about her specific presence may gain us said information, but it may also lead to her dissimulating to avoid such a direct query. On the other hand, approaching it from the direction of why they were attacked means they've already started answering questions, and makes hiding further information more difficult.
So, you can go the direct route, but make sure it's actually clear that you are in fact asking a very specific question so as not to be easily deflected.
Except if you ask a generic question she can give a generic answer without being evasive.
Also, in the interest of finding a completely different approach:
[x] Restrain upsetness, but make it clear we're not tolerating independent action. Retrieve Akiko and fall back to a more secure position.
-[x] Teleport if feasible (including de-griefing Sakura); else the High Speed Grief Express.
[x] Once in a position to talk privately, questions:
-[x] First of all, DAMMIT SAKURA. We were trying for the diplomatic solution and you've cocked that right the FUCK up.
-[x] No, wait. You know what? I need a breather. Mami, can you ask the questions? I need to go calm down.
--[x] Prompt Mami with the questions we're interested in while we do a bit of a walk around.
--[x] While Mami is asking questions (far more politely and diplomatically than we could, and hopefully with better mental fortitude, being put in a position of responsibility again), we focus our senses on analyzing their responses for indications of deception or trickery.
-[x] Questions for Mami to ask:
--[x] What is going on? Why are there so many magical girls coming into this fight, and why was that group after you?
--[x] How many groups are involved? Who? Get details (leadership, capabilities, motivations).
--[x] Why is Sendai involved in this? Why would they attack a group on a healing circuit? Akiko, is there a more specific reason why you're here? I wouldn't expect you to be involved in the healing.
-[x] Don't apply direct threats. Let Mami play 'good cop'. Kirika is still around being cutely insane, and we're on our last nerve; we can apply indirect 'bad cop' pressure.
--[x] Intervene forcefully in anything that would imply a threat against Mami.
Also, in the interest of finding a completely different approach:
[x] Restrain upsetness, but make it clear we're not tolerating independent action. Retrieve Akiko and fall back to a more secure position.
-[x] Teleport if feasible (including de-griefing Sakura); else the High Speed Grief Express.
[x] Once in a position to talk privately, questions:
-[x] First of all, DAMMIT SAKURA. We were trying for the diplomatic solution and you've cocked that right the FUCK up.
-[x] No, wait. You know what? I need a breather. Mami, can you ask the questions? I need to go calm down.
--[x] Prompt Mami with the questions we're interested in while we do a bit of a walk around.
--[x] While Mami is asking questions (far more politely and diplomatically than we could, and hopefully with better mental fortitude, being put in a position of responsibility again), we focus our senses on analyzing their responses for indications of deception or trickery.
-[x] Questions for Mami to ask:
--[x] What is going on? Why are there so many magical girls coming into this fight, and why was that group after you?
--[x] How many groups are involved? Who? Get details (leadership, capabilities, motivations).
--[x] Why is Sendai involved in this? Why would they attack a group on a healing circuit? Akiko, is there a more specific reason why you're here? I wouldn't expect you to be involved in the healing.
-[x] Don't apply direct threats. Let Mami play 'good cop'. Kirika is still around being cutely insane, and we're on our last nerve; we can apply indirect 'bad cop' pressure.
--[x] Intervene forcefully in anything that would imply a threat against Mami.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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And the popcorn-eating continues. That 'neutrality' lasted about as long as I was expecting it to. Here's hoping the factions involved are as reasonable as you were assuming them to be, and that they don't leap to conclusions like you guys tend to. Otherwise, commence Burly Brawl.
We, on the other hand, tear a witch apart by forcibly taking control of parts of it, which, in the process, removes them from the Witch's "body". We control Grief, so it stays in chunks and moves as we want it to--otherwise, it would probably melt in a vaguely similar fashion.
Picture it this way: you're powering a bunch of magnets that are stuck together in an intricate pattern. Kirika's powers short-circuit the mechanism powering the magnets, thus causing the magnets to just fall apart. We, on the other hand, control magnetism and exert our control over some of the magnets to move them and manipulate them as we see fit, in the process tearing those magnets away from the others.
We don't really know how magic and grief are related, or how much of a distinction between them actually exists. Kirika's powers do work on our grief manipulation too, though, so it's probable that her powers aren't simply "antimagic" as you would define it, but "antimagic/anti-grief/etc".
Hell, how would you define Kirika's powers if they are "anti-magic"? She uses magic that eliminates magic? Is it some kind of selective nullification magic, or is it something distinctly different from magic and grief altogether?
Er, not exactly. Making witches "melt" implies that Kirika's powers breaks/neutralizes the bonds that hold the "matter" that comprises the witch together (in this case, Grief), thus, they fall apart. Kirika can't control grief, so it just melts.
We, on the other hand, tear a witch apart by forcibly taking control of parts of it, which, in the process, removes them from the Witch's "body". We control Grief, so it stays in chunks and moves as we want it to--otherwise, it would probably melt in a vaguely similar fashion.
Picture it this way: you're powering a bunch of magnets that are stuck together in an intricate pattern. Kirika's powers short-circuit the mechanism powering the magnets, thus causing the magnets to just fall apart. We, on the other hand, control magnetism and exert our control over some of the magnets to move them and manipulate them as we see fit, in the process tearing those magnets away from the others.
We don't really know how magic and grief are related, or how much of a distinction between them actually exists. Kirika's powers do work on our grief manipulation too, though, so it's probable that her powers aren't simply "antimagic" as you would define it, but "antimagic/anti-grief/etc".
Hell, how would you define Kirika's powers if they are "anti-magic"? She uses magic that eliminates magic? Is it some kind of selective nullification magic, or is it something distinctly different from magic and grief altogether?
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EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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[x] Muramasa
Works better.
Works better.
