I'd like to give Kyouko more credit that than. She's experiencing right now the effort we put in keeping this private.

[X] Let Kyouko know you might be dropping something similarly heavy on Sayaka today, so she might have a lot on her mind tomorrow.
-[X] No more bombs you want to drop right now.
-[X] You know you don't need to, but ask her to not even mention any of this outside heavy privacy measures.

[X] Give Kyouko time. Let her be the one to start conversation.

[X] Hit the Witch hard, but let Kyouko hit her harder. Make sure nobody gets hurt.

[X] If appropriate:
-[X] Headpat Yuma. Tell her she's a good girl. Compliment her about her new dress.
-[X] Offer ice cream as an apology for getting her (them) caught up in grown up talk.
 
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Re: 4D space
Assuming "a" for (x,y,z,a) is ana/kata in meters, I guess if Mami's "area code" is (x,y,z,5) and Sabrina is (x,y,z,4), she wouldn't see Mami's stuff until Sabrina figure out how to move herself from (4) to (5).

On a secondary thought, it feels like anyone who figure 4D out would be near impossible to defend against. You can partially phase something into 4D to bypass anything. RIP handcuffs especially.
 
On a secondary thought, it feels like anyone who figure 4D out would be near impossible to defend against. You can partially phase something into 4D to bypass anything. RIP handcuffs especially.

Counterpoint: conceptually impenetrable barriers. Something that could exist in however many dimensions it needed to in order to keep shit out.

Hell, I think our very own privacy sphere is a variant that applies specifically to attempts at gathering information. We'll need to preform tests, though. Maybe get Mami to run a listening ribbon through the sphere, to test whether cord microphone type stuff would work?
 
On a secondary thought, it feels like anyone who figure 4D out would be near impossible to defend against. You can partially phase something into 4D to bypass anything. RIP handcuffs especially.
Worry not! Mami gives us the answer:
"Also," you say with a grin. "Have you ever thought about trying to use it for armour piercing attacks?"

"I have!" Mami says brightly. "It doesn't work as well as you'd think... well, it does for bypassing, ah, mundane blockages, but Witches..." Mami shakes her head. "A Witch's defense isn't really physical, you know? Trying to come at it from a different angle still means you have to fight against its magic."

"Ah," you say, and pout. "... actually, I kind of wonder how it'd work with Miss Tsuruya's enchanted buildings."

"I think it'd be a contest between your magics," Mami says. "Maybe? I'm not sure how her powers work..."
We just need to embrace our Witchdom. :V

But, hm... we might want to test whether the anti magic enchantments are enough to prevent a meguca from using hammerspace. If so, then anti magic cuffs still good.
 
By the way, I've been thinking what do about Yuma.

She's caught up in the middle of this, with her own insecurities and worries.

Since her core issues and Oriko's reflect each other a lot, maybe the same we did earlier today could apply. That's a longwinded way to say something really simple. :V

Edited this in:

[X] Let Kyouko know you might be dropping something similarly heavy on Sayaka today, so she might have a lot on her mind tomorrow.
-[X] No more bombs you want to drop right now.
-[X] You know you don't need to, but ask her to not even mention any of this outside heavy privacy measures.

[X] Give Kyouko time. Let her be the one to start conversation.

[X] Hit the Witch hard, but let Kyouko hit her harder. Make sure nobody gets hurt.

[X] If appropriate:
-[X] Headpat Yuma. Tell her she's a good girl. Compliment her about her new dress.
-[X] Offer ice cream as an apology for getting her (them) caught up in grown up talk.

Poor Yuma shouldn't have to get caught up in this crap.

Also, we somehow need to breach the topic of Yuma at some point. Yuma represses, a lot; she feels guilty for feeling sad, because her mother punished her whenever she cried. Just like Oriko, she had to grow up fast, she needs to learn again that crying and asking for help is OK. That it's not selfish. Or that it's OK to be selfish, however you want to look at it.

Think like how Mami tries to make herself useful and cool in an attempt to draw others closer; Yuma, in side manga materials, steals an apple to give to Kyouko as a gift. It's an attempt to earn her place, because she fears abandonment.

So I'd like to make it a point for now, that Yuma deserves better than to be caught up in all this. And see whether we talk about this with Kyouko in private at a later point?
 
Re: 4D space
Assuming "a" for (x,y,z,a) is ana/kata in meters, I guess if Mami's "area code" is (x,y,z,5) and Sabrina is (x,y,z,4), she wouldn't see Mami's stuff until Sabrina figure out how to move herself from (4) to (5).

On a secondary thought, it feels like anyone who figure 4D out would be near impossible to defend against. You can partially phase something into 4D to bypass anything. RIP handcuffs especially.

If it were proper physical 4D, the ordinary world would be at (x, y, z, 0), your front-back, left-right and up-down vectors would normally be certain combinations of x, y, and z, and magic would allow you to mix them with a. However, magic works in magical ways and it doesn't appear to work that way.
 
All ideas about whether Mami could have used 4D to keep the rifle stuck in midair casually blocking Sayaka's attack amount to sheer force of will. In fact, the musket is Ribbons, so Mami just willing the thing to stay put and simply overpowering Sayaka's attack makes more sense, so maybe 4D wasn't related, maybe it was just a different magic trick anyone can learn.

However, consider this:

What if Mami extended the rifle into her 4D... in such a way that the rifle would get stuck in between some really heavy knick knacks she keeps in her 4D space.

That would amount to holding the musket with a (totally mundane) vice and watching Sayaka try to smack it away. Just that the vice would be hidden and the musket would be held on it by being magically larger than it looks like. :V
 
So, comapring votes...

I'mma go with

[X] Kaizuki

The Yuma headpats are attractive, but I don't wanna turn Kyoko off with SCIENCE talk out of nowhere, no matter how dorky.
 
Nova Prospekt pt. 12
"Yeah, I'm done with the secrets for now, more or less," you say, and wave a hand. "Just... uh, I put us in this creepy-ass sphere for a reason? I want to keep all these things private, so uh, could I ask that you not bring this up without the privacy sphere around?"

Kyouko gives you a suspicious look before nodding.

"Yeah, whatever," she says, shrugging. "Whatever."

Kyouko watches as you dismiss the privacy device, the little Grief construct melting away.

"Bah," she says, hopping to her feet and tugging Yuma up with her as the last wisps of nightmare-purple flow away. "C'mon. We going, or we going?"

"We're going," you say, smiling as you grab a hold on the antenna spar and pull yourself upright. You crack your neck from side to side, stretching and savouring the touch of the cool wind ruffling your hair and clothes. "It's your Grief Seed, of course."

"Mmmhm," Kyouko says, and ruffles Yuma's hair. "C'mon, squirt."

"N-no!" Yuma says, stomping her foot. The antenna spar shudders under you with a deep groan and Yuma cringes, looking fearfully at Kyouko.

... You, on the other hand, give the steel structure a quick once-over to make sure it's still sound before looking back at Yuma.

"Uh? What's wrong?" Kyouko asks, blinking.

"Yuma doesn't want you to be angry at each other!" Yuma says. She stares up at Kyouko, fists clenched defiantly but shoulders hunched like she's expecting a blow.

"Oi," Kyouko says. She squats down so that they're level, and gently pulls Yuma into a hug. "Sabrina and I aren't fighting."

"We aren't, Yuma," you affirm, squatting down too.

"You're angry with her!" Yuma says.

"No, I'm not," Kyouko says, pulling back to look Yuma in the eye. There's a faintly quizzical tilt to her brow. "Yuma, what's this about?"

"You were! Yuma could tell!" Yuma protests.

"I... yeah, I was, but I'm not now," Kyouko says. She stands abruptly and pivots around Yuma on the antenna spar to walk over to you. "We're friends now, right, Sabrina?"

"Yup!" you say, flashing Yuma a thumbsup. "We weren't really fighting. Just disagreeing politely with each other."

Yuma looks between the two of you for a moment.

"Hug it out!" she says.

"Eh?" Kyouko says.

"Hug it out!" Yuma demands. "That's what you do after a fight!"

"Uh-" you say.

Kyouko yanks you into a sidelong hug, nearly crushing the breath out of you. "Go with it," she mutters into your ear.

Eh. It's not like you haven't been looking for an excuse to give Kyouko a hug, anyway. You turn and do just that, wrapping your arms around her. She makes a grumbling noise in the back of her throat and hugs back properly. You feel your ribs creaking under the force.

... Madokami above, but she's got a grip on her. And she's-

She's not even skinny. Homura is skinny. Malnutrition and hospital stays and neglect. Kyouko has muscle, wiry and tough, and she's putting it to good use trying to squeeze the life out of you.

Kyouko lets you go just as suddenly as she initiated the hug, and steps back.

"There," she says. "See, Yuma? We're not fighting any more."

"OK!" Yuma says, suddenly all smiles. "Let's go hunt a Witch!"

Still beaming from ear to ear, she turns and leaps off the antenna spar, taking off from the building below.

Kyouko squints at her for a long, long moment before looking back at you. "Y' get this impression we've just been had?"

You shrug, watching as Yuma takes distinct care to open up a head start before slowing down.

"... cheeky little brat," Kyouko mutters, shaking her head. Without another word, she takes off after Yuma.

You're not entirely sure whether Yuma was faking it, you muse as you leap over the rooftops in hot pursuit. A bit of column A and a bit of column B, you suspect. She was upset, but she also took the opportunity to guilt you into a make-up hug when she saw that you weren't fighting. She's not that conniving, but a bit conniving.

You nod thoughtfully to yourself as you chase after Kyouko and Yuma... which reminds you of something.

"Hey, Mami!" you call cheerfully. "I'm back!"

"Sabrina!" Mami's voice is bright and pleased. "How are you? How did everything go?"

"It went well," you say, smiling warmly. "How are you? How are classes?"

"Ah... they're going well," Mami says. "How is everything on your end, Sabrina?"

"Pretty well!" you say, and purse your lips. You want to tell her that you're going for a Witch hunt, but you also don't want to tell her who you're going on a Witch hunt with. "I haven't gotten quite everything done yet - most importantly I haven't dropped Rionna's Soul Gem off yet, but I've been bouncing around a bit. Maybe we could go on a Witch hunt after school today?"

"I'd like that!" Mami says happily. "Do you think our friends would like to come too?"

"We won't know until we ask!" you say, squinting at Kyouko and Yuma. You're catching up to them, you think. "We can cook something nice tonight."

"We can cook something nice every night!" Mami points out.

You laugh, the wind snatching away the sound as you race after Kyouko. You bound over Kasamino, savoring the rush of adrenaline as you hurtle over the abyss between skyscrapers. Chatter with Mami flows smooth and easy, talking about classes and tentative plans for the night.

A flash of red and motion catches your attention from up ahead. Kyouko points off into the distance with an upraised spear, the morning sun glinting off bare steel for the barest moment before she lowers it and bounds off in the direction indicated. You nod, saying farewell to Mami for now.

A Witch in Kasamino, huh?

Which reminds you that you need to remember to offer cleanses when you leave. But for now, you have a Witch to hunt.

"Finally!" Kyouko drawls as you land on the roof they're on. Another office building, by the looks of it, glowing halfway down the sheer wall.

Then again, office building. It's not like most of them aren't already flooded with concentrated miasma of misery on a daily basis, anyway. And suicidal ideation and damn that just got a lot less funny when you think about office worker suicides and Japan. Hell, you've run across a Witch-kissed mass suicide attempt by office workers.

"Well, someone had a headstart," you say, looking around theatrically. "Two someones. Now where could the other be..."

Without looking, you reach out and snag Yuma, ruffling her hair. She squeaks, laughing and flailing under your arms, and when you glance up at Kyouko, she's giving you an amused look that immediately morphs into an attempt at a baleful glare.

You snicker.

"You're really just a softy after all, aren't you?" you ask, releasing Yuma and grinning at Kyouko.

Kyouko attempts to light you on fire with her eyes.

You laugh, and hold your hands up. "Sorry, sorry. Penny for your thoughts?"

She scowls, jaw tightening as she looks away from you.

"I don't know how to ask for help any more," she bites out, and jerks her head sideways. Towards the Barrier, and she doesn't give you more than a moment to process that before leaping over the side of the building.

Her spear catches the lip around the lip of the roof and slingshots her smoothly into the Barrier, trailing edge of her cassock disappearing just as you reach the edge. Yuma grins at you and throws herself after Kyouko, kicking off the air in a flash of green light and plopping into the glowing hole in reality.

... Yeah, you have no need to prove yourself, and there's no one to show off to right now, anyway. You lever yourself over the edge, catching yourself with a bit of Grief and bracing yourself before swinging into the Barrier.

That familiar sensation hits you like a wet slap across the face, febrile fingers creeping down your spine at the sensation of wrong, wrong, Witch. The next thing that hits you is the smell and dear sweet Madokami in heaven why do so many bloody Witch Barriers stink?

Electrical fire. Burnt plastic and smouldering metal and deep, deep billowing clouds of ashy blackness. Your breathing goes shallow as you look around, trying to keep out as much of the acrid stench as possible. And your visibility goes to nil more than a handful of steps out. Distant, faintly electronic screeching filters through the darkness, too faint to decipher anything more.

"Fucking hell," Kyouko mutters, her spear shouldered as she steps up beside you. The murk swirls around her, black soot already scuffed up her boots and edges of her costume. "Hate these kinds of Barriers. Can't see shit."

"I feel like I keep seeing similar ones," you mutter. "Bet it saves on rendering costs."

There's a faint clink and creak as Yuma raises her mace, looking around warily.

"Yeah, well, not like I gotta lotta choices on the Witch buffet," Kyouko grouses. "Yuma, which way?"

"Um, um..." Yuma says. Her eyes dart around, the cat ears on her costume perking up.

Kyouko nails you with a Look, daring you to bring that up.

You raise both hands.

"That way!" Yuma says, pointing with her mace.

"Bingo," Kyouko agrees. "Go on, then, we'll be right behind you."

"Mmmhm," you agree. With a shrug, a mantle of Grief falls around you, Grief particulate bleeding out of your personal layer of reality and into the air around you. In the inky-black clouds, you can't even pick out the difference, not by eye, but, well. You flex your powers, unlimbered and ready.

Yuma advances two steps ahead of you, mace swung lightly over her shoulder with the same insouciant grace you recognise from Kyouko. And Kyouko herself paces forward slowly, each step silent on the sooty surface.

She's leaving footsteps behind. Yuma too. You all are, pure white footprints every time you lift your foot.

"She's a good girl." Kyouko's low mutter takes you by surprise. "Better than me."

You glance sidelong at Kyouko. You're... well, OK, Yuma's a lot less jaded than Kyouko. She hasn't gone through as much as Kyouko has, hasn't had to do as much as Kyouko had. It's complicated, but no way are you letting that pass without saying something. After you see if she's going anywhere with that.

Kyouko slants a look right back at you, sharp and narrow-eyed.

"Shut it," she mutters. "Listen. I don't get how you can be so calm about... all that. What we talked about." She sneaks a glance at Yuma, who doesn't seem to have noticed. Kyouko slows a pace, and pounds a fist to her own chest, smiling bitterly. "There's a place for people like me. Her?"

"She's different," Kyouko says. She rolls her spear across her shoulders as she walks, glaring out into the darkness. "She's got a chance. No, you shut up."

... you were going to wait until she finished, honest! You mime a zipper over your mouth.

"You wanna help," she says, at something approximating a normal volume. "For some godforsaken reason you wanna help, both of us. Help her. I mean-" Her voice drops again. "Better with me? Christ. C'mon, you can do better than that."

She shakes her head.

"Not like... nrrg, listen, I know her mother was a shithead," Kyouko says. "And I'm not. Don't... don't bother with that. I mean this... day to day. Scrabbling for a life. Yuma, wait up."

She opens her stride to catch up with Yuma in a few quick steps, leaving you blinking in the literal dust.

[] What do you say to Kyouko? (word count limit: 150 words)

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Next update will wrap up the Witch hunt, so vote accordingly. Cleansing them and refreshing Grief Seeds will be automatic.
 
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Yuma is a blessing.

Nagisa: 8
Mami: 398
Homura: 21
Akiko: 1,5
Rin&Sakura: 1
Sabrina: 2
Sayaka: 7
Kirika: 4
Oriko: 3
Hiroko: 1
Madoka: 3
Kazumi: 2
Umika: 2
Kaoru: 2
Saki: 1
Niko: 1
Satomi: 1
Mirai: 1
Kyouko: 1
Yuma: 1.5

She scowls, jaw tightening as she looks away from you.

"I don't know how to ask for help any more," she bites out, and jerks her head sideways.
Ouch.

Seems we really got to Kyouko by now. That much is good, if she can say this stuff.
 
I like how we've managed to outsource arguing with Kyoko's self-deprecation to Kyoko.

[] If Kyoko was just "not a shithead" you'd have found Yuma's grandparents.
 
Wow. That's some deep shit Kyouko's asking us about. We've tunneled through all her tsun, and now we just need to unearth the dere!

"Not like... nrrg, listen, I know her mother was a shithead," Kyouko says. "And I'm not. Don't... don't bother with that. I mean this... day to day. Scrabbling for a life. Yuma, wait up."

[x] You honestly, earnestly care about her, and she can tell. That's something she hasn't had for a long time, and it's something she needs.
-[x] She's become attached to you, and not without reason. If you were just "not a shithead" I'd have gone digging for her grandparents, they're decent people. But seperating her from the first person to give a damn about her would hurt her more than that would help.
 
I like how we've managed to outsource arguing with Kyoko's self-deprecation to Kyoko.

[] If Kyoko was just "not a shithead" you'd have found Yuma's grandparents.
Wow. That's some deep shit Kyouko's asking us about. We've tunneled through all her tsun, and now we just need to unearth the dere!



[x] You honestly, earnestly care about her, and she can tell. That's something she hasn't had for a long time, and it's something she needs.
-[x] She's become attached to you, and not without reason. If you were just "not a shithead" I'd have gone digging for her grandparents, they're decent people. But seperating her from the first person to give a damn about her would hurt her more than that would help.
I was thinking, we need to point out how much Yuma looks up to Kyouko, how she tries to imitate her -and no, Kyouko, that's not a bad thing :V. It's good! Yuma has a place at Kyouko's side, that's what she needs- and then...

We need to be careful in how to bring up Yuma's grandparents.

I think we might want to give Kyouko as glowing a commendation as Yuma's Big Sis as we can, and then give her food for thought: She should think about it, but if she ends up feeling she can't take care of Yuma... there's an option: Yuma's grandparents.

But we should, then, point out that Yuma could have called her grandparents any time she wanted, to get away from her abusive mom. She didn't -couldn't- and she still hasn't ever brought them up. It probably wouldn't go well if we just sent Yuma with her grandparents just like that, wouldn't it? She's attached to Kyouko now, so they need to work on this.

Would be best if Yuma could bring herself to call her grandparents, if they took her in, but Kyouko was still a part of Yuma's life. Asking the grandpas to take in Kyouko, or Kyouko to go live with them, would be too much, but she can still hang out with Yuma.


I don't think we should bring up any of this while the hunt is on, though, it would be rather distracting.
 
[] "You saw what she just did. She still reflexively expects abuse, but she trusted you enough to ignore that reflex to browbeat us into a hug. That's huge."
 
[Q] Koko she's already shipping us together. It's too late to back out now.
-[Q] Wait, does that mean I'm the salaryman dad?
--[Q] Q(ueue) existential for not being a better father(?) for your daughters. Madomama would be so upset with you.
 
[Q] Koko she's already shipping us together. It's too late to back out now.
-[Q] Wait, does that mean I'm the salaryman dad?
--[Q] Q(ueue) existential for not being a better father(?) for your daughters. Madomama would be so upset with you.

---[Q] Additional existential crisis as you realize this may technically count as cheating with Mami.
----[Q] Or is being with Mami cheating with Koko?
 
"I don't know how to ask for help any more," she bites out, and jerks her head sideways. Towards the Barrier, and she doesn't give you more than a moment to process that before leaping over the side of the building.

If I were crazy, I could interpret this as: "I've actually known about this witch for a couple days, but I didn't really want to fight it without backup, so I waited until you showed up and then I proposed we hunt a witch together."

...naaaah.
 
Re: 4D space
Assuming "a" for (x,y,z,a) is ana/kata in meters, I guess if Mami's "area code" is (x,y,z,5) and Sabrina is (x,y,z,4), she wouldn't see Mami's stuff until Sabrina figure out how to move herself from (4) to (5).

On a secondary thought, it feels like anyone who figure 4D out would be near impossible to defend against. You can partially phase something into 4D to bypass anything. RIP handcuffs especially.

I vaguely recall either Sabrina or someone else positing that the available extradimensional spaces were orthogonal---this would mean that Sabrina can access stuff at (x,y,z,0,0,0, ...(n zeros)... 0,0,1,0,0, ...(N-n zeros)... 0,0,0) while Mami can access stuff at (x,y,z,0,0,0, ...(k zeros)... 0,0,1,0,0, ...(N-k zeros)... 0,0,0) where N is the number of extra dimensions either of the universe or that meguca magic in total can access, and that Witch defenses as mentioned further down would be in an N+3-dimensional hypersphere or hyper-ellipsoid depending on how you reckon extradimensional distance.
 
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