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... is Kyoko perhaps saying she wants more for Yuma then day to day scrambling for life?
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on Jan 12, 2019 at 8:12 AM, finished with 149065 posts and 23 votes.
  • [X] It's not just getting her away from her parents, it's being with you that's better for her. You know, you're the first person to have cared about her. You're important to her. She trusted you enough to defy you just now, and that doesn't come easily. She's a magical girl, with all that entails, and she needs someone who she can trust, someone who cares about her.
    [X] Both of you deserve better than you've gotten from the world. I don't want either of you to have to scrabble for a life, Kyouko -- that's another reason why I'm paying you to train Sayaka. Heck, if I thought I could get you to agree to it, I'd set both of you up in an apartment like I have for some other magical girls who I met recently. There are ways to make it so Yuma could go back to school, too.
    [X] And if it was just about "not being a shithead", I happen to know that Yuma's grandparents aren't the assholes her mother was. Maybe we could look into that. But if what you're looking for is a reason to cut her out of your life, then knowing what I know, I really don't think being separated from the first person she's ever been able to trust would be good for her.
    [X] Talk with Kyouko while keeping an eye out.
    [X] Deny Kyouko's self-condemnation. You believe she's a good person.
    [X] Kyouko's become Yuma's role model.
    -[X] You can't overstate how important, how good this is to Yuma.
    -[X] It's not something anyone can be. Kyouko is special, and Yuma needs her.
    [X] Ask Kyouko to see this as a chance. You trust her, you know she won't do wrong by Yuma.
    [X] You don't want them to live on the streets either. There's options*.
    [X] Finish the Hunt before talking further.
    [X] *Options:
    -[X] Let Kyouko know about Yuma's grandparents, and why she hasn't called them.
    -[X] You can rent them a place. Even have someone 'hack' Yuma's way back into school.
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Redshirt Army said:
Wow. That's some deep shit Kyouko's asking us about. We've tunneled through all her tsun, and now we just need to unearth the dere!
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Quick, do we have a measured weight to put in place of her heart of gold? Don't wanna trigger the trap and have to Indiana Jones our way out with a rolling boulder in hot pursuit.

And it reads to me that while Koko will absolutely refuse us helping her just for the sake of helping, she's not so quick to turn away us helping Yuma or helping her help Yuma.
 
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Something something... "Kids make us want to be better people. Usually people say that about parents but it kinda applies to sidekicks too. You're better than you think you are, and you're good for Yuma."

Needs better words but a sentiment like that maybe?
 
The big thing is that Yuma is a magical girl now. Having a good life with her grand parents is a nice sentiment, but it isn't going to happen. Yuma needs a nice magical girl senpai looking after her, not a pair of muggles. They just wouldn't understand her needs and lifestyle.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I choose to believe that Yuma's grandparents are sufficiently nice that they'd accept Kyouko too. And Kyouko would probably accept if we frame it as not hurting Yuma.
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That's a hell of a lot you're expecting out of them. >_>

Of Kyouko, too. I somehow doubt she'd want to go live with a some old people and get taken care of.

The best case I can see is Yuma overcoming her problem, calling her grandparents, and going to live with them while still hanging out with Kyouko a lot.

Ompa60 said:
The big thing is that Yuma is a magical girl now. Having a good life with her grand parents is a nice sentiment, but it isn't going to happen. Yuma needs a nice magical girl senpai looking after her, not a pair of muggles. They just wouldn't understand her needs and lifestyle.
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We're kind of in the "get parents* into the know about their magical daughters**' needs" train.

*grandparents and **granddaughter in this case.
 
Let us be practical and non exclusionary in terminology and use Caregiver or Parental unit and Carecipient and Kiddotron.
 
DB_Explorer said:
Cue the grandma had an old friend that was a magical girl

Sabrina: *flips tables*
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Sabrina: "Who else? Who else knew about Magical Girls but were so absorbed by having a busy, productive adult life that they couldn't remember about it, even though they know a magical girl?"

Kenji: "I had a fling with a magical girl once in my youth..."

Sayaka: "Daaaaaaaaad..."

Akemiparents: *Suddenly appear* "We knew she was contract bait. Why do you think we left?"

Homura: *Gapes*

Junko: "I think I was a Magical Girl..."

Everyone: *Stares*

Junko: "What? One day I figured up all that silly magic thing was for kids, and decided I wanted to grow up to own a big company. And I'm well on my way."

Sabrina: "Y-you can... decide to stop being a Magical Girl?"

Junko: "Dear, do you think a dumb AI alien could get me to sign up a shady contract without me adding in some good old beneficial termination clauses?"

Homura: "You could... edit... the contract?"

Junko: "Always get it on paper and don't sign up before reading it carefully and adding your own edits." *Winks*

Tomohisa: "And that's why I married you."

*Kanameparents pose looking like the ideal couple while all meguca gloomily look down and rethink their life choices*
 
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obssesednuker said:
---[Q] Additional existential crisis as you realize this may technically count as cheating with Mami.
----[Q] Or is being with Mami cheating with Koko?
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-----[Q] and what about Sayaka? HOW MANY POOR MAIDEN'S HEARTS MUST YOU BREAK TO BE SATISFIED!?

Do we need to work out strategy for the Witch, or just decide on a victory dance?
 
I mean obviously the solution is to introduce Kyouko to Yuma's parents and Magicbomb them and now they have two grandkids.
 
That familiar sensation hits you like a wet slap across the face, febrile fingers creeping down your spine at the sensation of wrong, wrong, Witch. The next thing that hits you is the smell and dear sweet Madokami in heaven why do so many bloody Witch Barriers stink?

Electrical fire. Burnt plastic and smouldering metal and deep, deep billowing clouds of ashy blackness. Your breathing goes shallow as you look around, trying to keep out as much of the acrid stench as possible. And your visibility goes to nil more than a handful of steps out. Distant, faintly electronic screeching filters through the darkness, too faint to decipher anything more.
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Hmm, we can turn off pain, can we selectively turn off our sense of smell and only our sense of smell? I don't think we're likely to be in a barrier where smell turns out to be the vital warning sign.
 
Jonen C said:
Quick, do we have a measured weight to put in place of her heart of gold? Don't wanna trigger the trap and have to Indiana Jones our way out with a rolling boulder in hot pursuit.

And it reads to me that while Koko will absolutely refuse us helping her just for the sake of helping, she's not so quick to turn away us helping Yuma or helping her help Yuma.
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I believe one traditionally compares the weight of a heart to a single feather to see if they balance.

Fortunately, Sabrina HAS a single feather in her possession now.
 
Firnagzen said:
... Madokami above, but she's got a grip on her. And she's-

She's not even skinny. Homura is skinny. Malnutrition and hospital stays and neglect. Kyouko has muscle, wiry and tough, and she's putting it to good use trying to squeeze the life out of you.
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Good to see all that food is going somewhere!
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You're not entirely sure whether Yuma was faking it, you muse as you leap over the rooftops in hot pursuit. A bit of column A and a bit of column B, you suspect. She was upset, but she also took the opportunity to guilt you into a make-up hug when she saw that you weren't fighting. She's not that conniving, but a bit conniving.
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I'm reminded of To The Stars, and Yuma becoming the spymaster of the Mitakihara Four, and became the scariest little girl. Though I imagine that version of Yuma would say she was always that scary, but others just didn't realize it.
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You laugh, and hold your hands up. "Sorry, sorry. Penny for your thoughts?"

She scowls, jaw tightening as she looks away from you.

"I don't know how to ask for help any more," she bites out, and jerks her head sideways. Towards the Barrier, and she doesn't give you more than a moment to process that before leaping over the side of the building.
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And yet you just did there, Kyouko. :)
Firnagzen said:
That familiar sensation hits you like a wet slap across the face, febrile fingers creeping down your spine at the sensation of wrong, wrong, Witch. The next thing that hits you is the smell and dear sweet Madokami in heaven why do so many bloody Witch Barriers stink?
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Because smell triggers memories deeply and quickly, bypassing the normal processing centers for the rest of the senses. Smells can much more directly instill feelings, and a Witch's Barrier is made of that girl's misery, all of her worst feelings and memories made manifest in a tangible way.
Firnagzen said:
"Fucking hell," Kyouko mutters, her spear shouldered as she steps up beside you. The murk swirls around her, black soot already scuffed up her boots and edges of her costume. "Hate these kinds of Barriers. Can't see shit."

"I feel like I keep seeing similar ones," you mutter. "Bet it saves on rendering costs."
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Dammit, Sabrina! Stop leaning on the fourth wall, there are too many holes in it already! Do you want it to collapse and for you to spill through and out the other side?
Firnagzen said:
"She's a good girl." Kyouko's low mutter takes you by surprise. "Better than me."

You glance sidelong at Kyouko. You're... well, OK, Yuma's a lot less jaded than Kyouko. She hasn't gone through as much as Kyouko has, hasn't had to do as much as Kyouko had. It's complicated, but no way are you letting that pass without saying something. After you see if she's going anywhere with that.

Kyouko slants a look right back at you, sharp and narrow-eyed.

"Shut it," she mutters. "Listen. I don't get how you can be so calm about... all that. What we talked about." She sneaks a glance at Yuma, who doesn't seem to have notice. Kyouko slows a pace, and pounds a fist to her own chest, smiling bitterly. "There's a place for people like me. Her?"

"She's different," Kyouko says. She rolls her spear across her shoulders as she walks, glaring out into the darkness. "She's got a chance. No, you shut up."

... you were going to wait until she finished, honest! You mime a zipper over your mouth.

"You wanna help," she says, at something approximating a normal volume. "For some godforsaken reason you wanna help, both of us. Help her. I mean-" Her voice drops again. "Better with me? Christ. C'mon, you can do better than that."

She shakes her head.

"Not like... nrrg, listen, I know her mother was a shithead," Kyouko says. "And I'm not. Don't... don't bother with that. I mean this... day to day. Scrabbling for a life. Yuma, wait up."
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Hmmm...
Firnagzen said:
[] What do you say to Kyouko? (word count limit: 150 words)
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[X] It's not just getting her away from her parents, it's being with you that's better for her. She's a magical girl, with all that entails, and she needs someone who she can trust, someone who cares about her.
[X] I don't want either of you to have to scrabble for a life, Kyouko -- that's another reason why I'm paying you to train Sayaka. Heck, if I thought I could get you to agree to it, I'd set both of you up in an apartment like I have for some other magical girls who I met recently.
[X] But if you're wanting to get Yuma back into a mundane life... then I happen to know that Yuma's grandparents aren't the shitheads her mother was.
 
Alternate solution: Get Kyouko and Sayaka to live together, a la Rebellion. Yuma can be their adopted kid sister. :V

blast flame said:
Hmm, we can turn off pain, can we selectively turn off our sense of smell and only our sense of smell? I don't think we're likely to be in a barrier where smell turns out to be the vital warning sign.
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I imagine we probably can, but it's a skill best avoided unless we're literally facing scents used as a weapon. We've had enough problems turning off our sense of pain and this seems ripe for more of them.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Alternate solution: Get Kyouko and Sayaka to live together, a la Rebellion. Yuma can be their adopted kid sister. :V
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Unless we emancipate Sayaka, that turns 'making Yumaparents adopt a random orphan off the street' into 'making Mikiparents adopt two random orphans off the street'. More or less. :p

The Phoenixian said:
I imagine we probably can, but it's a skill best avoided unless we're literally facing scents used as a weapon. We've had enough problems turning off our sense of pain and this seems ripe for more of them.
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Did we have problems with that? All I remember is once or twice we had something broken or stabbed and forgot in the heat of battle. Pain was turned off as needed in those occasions.
 
Godwinson said:
[X] But if you're wanting to get Yuma back into a mundane life... then I happen to know that Yuma's grandparents aren't the shitheads her mother was.
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I'm leery of the phrasing here. I really don't want Kyouko to get into a train of thought like 'Yuma would be better of with these grandparents of hers than with me. Shoulda known it was too good to last. She'll be better off without me. I'm better off alone.' and so on and so on. Ideally, yes, a young kid should have actual adult guardians, but we're not living in an ideal world until Sabrina makes it that way, and we need to keep in mind that Yuma is at least as good for Kyouko as Kyouko is for Yuma.

Perhaps, if we want to provide Kyouko with options for improving Yuma's life, we could focus on getting her back into school, instead? We could even find out where Nagisa goes to school, and put all our adorable adopted imouto eggs in one basket.
 
Hmm... rewording vote...

[X] It's not just getting her away from her parents, it's being with you that's better for her. She's a magical girl, with all that entails, and she needs someone who she can trust, someone who cares about her. She made her wish to be able to save you like you saved her, and rejecting one's wish can hurt.
[X] I don't want either of you to have to scrabble for a life, Kyouko -- that's another reason why I'm paying you to train Sayaka. Heck, if I thought I could get you to agree to it, I'd set both of you up in an apartment like I have for some other magical girls who I met recently. It'd make it so Yuma could go back to school.
[X] But if you're dead set on shoving Yuma entirely back into a mundane life... then I happen to know that Yuma's grandparents aren't the shitheads her mother was. I'm not sure it'd be good for her, but it's something you deserve to know.
 
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Godwinson said:
rejecting one's wish can hurt
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Hmmmm. I kind of get the intent of making this argument to Kyouko, but it still seems questionable to slap her in the face with her trauma like this.

Maybe:

[X] It's not just getting her away from her parents, it's being with you that's better for her. She's a magical girl, with all that entails, and she needs someone who she can trust, someone who cares about her. You, personally, are important to her. You're the first person to have valued her.
[X] I don't want either of you to have to scrabble for a life, Kyouko -- that's another reason why I'm paying you to train Sayaka. Heck, if I thought I could get you to agree to it, I'd set both of you up in an apartment like I have for some other magical girls who I met recently. There's ways to set things up so Yuma can go back to school.
[X] If it was just about "not being a shithead", I happen to know that Yuma's grandparents aren't the assholes her mother was. Maybe you could look into that. But I really don't think being separated from the first person to give a damn about her would be good for her.
 
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