I got reminded of something.

Oriko begins to shake her head, before pausing, frowning. "If the information pertaining to Kamijou Kyousuke is important, you need to get it from someone other than Akemi," she says, looking faintly perplexed. "I don't... You don't succeed in getting it from her."
[ ] Challenge fate itself: New Goal: Get Homu to: Share the secrets of: THE KWYJIBO LOOP.
[ ] ... Who the fuck else would we ask? Some sort of beyong timelines precog meguca? :thonk:

BTW, wonder how's Kwyjibo doing. It's nice not going to school and do fun stuff like visiting also-not-going-to-school friends and dealing with trauma and magical prisoners, but we don't get to hear much about Sabrina's non-O&K friends love lives. Specifically, Sayaka and her weird love triangle.

How can we tease her if we're not up to date on the gossip?

EDIT: You know, that'd be a way to get timeskips going: Enroll in school. With Mami, of course. :p
 
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EDIT: You know, that'd be a way to get timeskips going: Enroll in school. With Mami, of course. :p

I'm very firmly opposed to this. I'm assuming that, even in timeskip, we'll be employing our time usefully. School is not a useful use of our time.

And, even with Mami, the funness of it will wear off quick.
 
I'm very firmly opposed to this. I'm assuming that, even in timeskip, we'll be employing our time usefully. School is not a useful use of our time.

And, even with Mami, the funness of it will wear off quick.
I know we're not gonna enroll in school, that's why the :p .

But I have to comment on timeskips. Supposedly Firn wanted to have some timeskipping after Riona, yet it seems we're going at the same pace as before. It doesn't bother me personally much, but I do think Firn plans to finish this story at some point in his lifetime, not actually pass it onto his descendants to be continued as a Firn family tradition.

It seems when the quest was younger and Firn had his famous insane writing rate, he was more content to timeskip, like that saturday we spent buying clothes and then not much else happened and it was already night, or that time we were trying to compress our Grief and Sabrina got frustrated and spent the rest of the time she had bashing the Grief with her hammer.

Have to wonder how much of it comes from the super broad scope of the quest, that allows, or even prompts us, to gather responsibility after responsibility, thus filling up our schedule and making sure we got one important event after another, which prevents timeskipping... and how much is just that when Firn sits down to write, he just can't help writing it all in detail maybe?
 
If Firn passes it down, that means we'll be able to follow Sabrina and Mami into adulthood (emotional-adulthood, I guess, since Puella Magi don't age?). That's great! We can quest about their wedding, then on their plans for children, then their grandkids... I've heard of an author maturing with his audience, but this would be the first time I see an audience, the author and their characters mature alongside one another. :thonk:

Then, once it reaches the fifth gen or so, we'll be eligible for the Guinness Record of longest running online quest!
 
I know we're not gonna enroll in school, that's why the :p .

But I have to comment on timeskips. Supposedly Firn wanted to have some timeskipping after Riona, yet it seems we're going at the same pace as before. It doesn't bother me personally much, but I do think Firn plans to finish this story at some point in his lifetime, not actually pass it onto his descendants to be continued as a Firn family tradition.

It seems when the quest was younger and Firn had his famous insane writing rate, he was more content to timeskip, like that saturday we spent buying clothes and then not much else happened and it was already night, or that time we were trying to compress our Grief and Sabrina got frustrated and spent the rest of the time she had bashing the Grief with her hammer.

Have to wonder how much of it comes from the super broad scope of the quest, that allows, or even prompts us, to gather responsibility after responsibility, thus filling up our schedule and making sure we got one important event after another, which prevents timeskipping... and how much is just that when Firn sits down to write, he just can't help writing it all in detail maybe?

Sabrina: OK I'm spending today clearing my schedule
Mami: ? _ ?
Sabrina: I have so much to do each day feels like it takes mooooonths! So I'm going to get everything done today, so I can be lazy tomorrow!

I partly think is also has to do with how WE vote... we loose track of time so we go OH GOD NEED TO HANDLE X when its been like... a day.
 
If Firn passes it down, that means we'll be able to follow Sabrina and Mami into adulthood (emotional-adulthood, I guess, since Puella Magi don't age?). That's great! We can quest about their wedding, then on their plans for children, then their grandkids... I've heard of an author maturing with his audience, but this would be the first time I see an audience, the author and their characters mature alongside one another. :thonk:

Then, once it reaches the fifth gen or so, we'll be eligible for the Guinness Record of longest running online quest!

At which point MGNQ rises from the grave, with a steady update cycle.

Okay, okay, I know that's too silly to ever happen, but A MAN CAN DREAM!
 
Sabrina: OK I'm spending today clearing my schedule
Mami: ? _ ?
Sabrina: I have so much to do each day feels like it takes mooooonths! So I'm going to get everything done today, so I can be lazy tomorrow!

I partly think is also has to do with how WE vote... we loose track of time so we go OH GOD NEED TO HANDLE X when its been like... a day.
"OK..."

*Checks schedule*

- Wake up hugging Mami.
- Hug Mami in the morning.
- Hug Mami after getting up.
- Hug Mami after showering.
- Hug Mami before breakfast.
- Hug Mami during breakfast.
- GOOD MORNING MITAKIHARA.
- Hug Mami after breakfast.
- Hug Mami while on the way to school.
- Kiss Mami.
- Hug Mami.
- Maybe hang out with a Sayaklone. Hug if so.
- GOOD MORNING ASUNARO.
- Visit O&K (hug if so)/Kyouko and Yuma (plan how to get hugs)/both.
- Hug Mami at lunch.
- Hug Mami after lunch.
- Check on refugees new friends.
- Deal with prisoners/revealing magic to adults/whatever new problem arises.
- SCIENCE! that thing Mami can't know about/improved methods to harmlessly restrain meguca (Tocco del Mare + Grief Fog?)/the feather(!!!).
- Hug and kiss Mami after school.
- Hug Mami while hanging out with everyone.
- Have an emergency happen.
- Hug Mami for luck.
- Deal with emergency.
- Hug Mami to cool down.
- Acquire new responsibilities. Make note to re-write schedule. While hugging Mami.
- Take Homu aside for a private talk.
- Offer all the support. Help with her problems. Hug.
- Hug Mami once done.
- Dance with Mami around the kitchen while cooking dinner.
- Kiss Mami for being such a good cook.
- Hug Mami after dinner.
- Hug Mami goodnight.
- Go to sleep hugging Mami.

"... Maybe if..."


- Wake up hugging Mami.
- Hug Mami in the morning.
- Hug Mami after getting up.
- Hug Mami after showering.
- Hug Mami before breakfast.
- Hug Mami during breakfast.
- GOOD MORNING MITAKIHARA.
- Hug Mami after breakfast.
- Hug Mami while on the way to school.
- Kiss Mami.
- Hug Mami.

- Maybe hang out with a Sayaklone. Hug if so.
- GOOD MORNING ASUNARO.
- Visit O&K (hug if so)/Kyouko and Yuma (plan how to get hugs)/both.

- Go back home and sleep.
- Hug Mami at lunch.
- Hug Mami after lunch.

- Check on refugees new friends.
- Deal with prisoners/revealing magic to adults/whatever new problem arises.
- SCIENCE! that thing Mami can't know about/improved methods to harmlessly restrain meguca (Tocco del Mare + Grief Fog?)/the feather(!!!).

- Go back home and nap.
- Hug and kiss Mami after school.
- Hug Mami while hanging out with everyone.

- Have an emergency happen.
- Hug Mami for luck.
- Deal with emergency.
- Hug Mami to cool down.
- Acquire new responsibilities. Make note to re-write schedule. While hugging Mami.
- Take Homu aside for a private talk.
- Offer all the support. Help with her problems. Hug.
- Hug Mami once done.
- Dance with Mami around the kitchen while cooking dinner.
- Kiss Mami for being such a good cook.
- Hug Mami after dinner.
- Hug Mami goodnight.
- Go to sleep hugging Mami.

- Make clone with enchanted Grief. Use ribbon to artificially extend range. Use clone to go all the other stuff you used to do during the day, while non clone stays hugging Mami. Wake people up if necessary.

"..."

"What do you think?"

"... You just moved your sleeping hours to my school hours so you could have more hugs while awake."

"So that's... good?"

"I'm touched, literally," *Cuddles* "but weren't you clearing your schedule so you could have some more free time to lazy off and not be so busy all the time?"

"..."

"..."

"... Ohhhhhh, you're right, I was gonna do that. I forgot."

"Well?"

"... I don't know, there's so many important things on my schedule."

"Like hugs?"

"Like hugs."

*Cuddles*



And no progress was made that that.

Unless you count hugs as progress, which , personally, I think is the only sane option. :V
 
I prefer to be more optimistic. Firn won't pass it on, he'll still be writing it personally in 2150 because we'll manage to develop some form of life extension. :V
 
I've always envisioned an AI being trained with his writing to carry the torch.
That's Firnbot's true purpose in life.

Though I'm not sure whether Firnbot's supposed to start writing PMAS herself at some point, or just pass the torch to the next PMAS writer to be, and then when that writers leave the mortal coil, pass it to the next, and so on...

Which would make Firnbot some kind of recruiter of special people for an important task.

Maybe Firnbot should get a remotely pilotable body for this task. An easily replaceable body perhaps, or maybe a hive of them just in case, and make them cute and fluffy because people like cute and fluffy things, and maybe integrate a salvaging function with which one body could consume the remains of a destroyed terminal for self repairs. And perhaps Firnbot should get a catchphrase to use when recruiting a new writer...
 
Strictly speaking, the music is actually part of the tower's response to the revatiel's will. It's never spelled out in the games, but that is how Aurica or Misha can cast EXEC_PAJA/. and battle magic at the same time, Frelia maintains EXEC_META=FALSS/. while casting EXEC_HAIBANATION/.; and Infel (rather ridiculously) is simultaneously projecting her own disembodied consciousness into SOL=MARTA from the Infel Phira, summoning a data image of Nenesha from AR=TONELICO via SOL=MARTA's link with both the first tower and the Infel Phira, summoning a boss monster, casting battle magic, and casting EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION/. all at the same time.

Why the tower sings with the revatiel's own voice is anybody's guess.

(edit: removing stray punctuation: why did they have to insert punctuation marks into the names of all the magics :confused: )

There is no EXEC_META=FALSS/., the proper name for the song is EXEC_VISIONDANCE_SOCKET/. and it hasn't been sung for over 700 years, as Frelia is merely maintaining what she has already created, not creating anything new.
And in respect to a Reyvateil being able to sing multiple songs at once or talk while she sings, they're just abstractions: singing a single song requires a Reyvateil to devote her whole focus to it, making it impossible setting-wise for her to sing another song or converse while she sings.
 
Have something I half-thought-half-dreamed last night.



Homura sat amongst friends, stirring her tea while leaning ever so slightly against Madoka, listening to the other girls' chatter. The tiniest of smiles graced her lips, her eyes... darted around suddenly, as if watching out for hidden threats to the peaceful evening, but the moment passed, and the girl relaxed.

To an outsider, she would've look like any normal girl, if perhaps a tad too thin. To her friends, she looked far more peaceful than she had in months.

They would be surprised to look at her and not see the hard lines around her eyes, to not find her shoulders hard and rigid, tense, weighted down by the world's cruelty. They would be more surprised to hear her talk as much as anyone else, most of her old reservations smoothed away by the passage of time:

"See, I had this problem before," the time traveller interjected into the conversation, "this one timeline where I had to ferry Madoka, Sayaka, and Oriko across a river."

Sayaka snorted. "... Really?"

"Really," nodded Homura gravely, "and what's more, in order to accomplish this, I counted only with one small raft, barely big enough for two of us."

"No, wait," the bleunette waved a hand for Homura to stop, "since it's you saying it, I have to ask, but this is a joke, right?"

An eyebrow raised in challenge. "Are you calling me a liar, Miki Sayaka?"

Sayaka's eyes narrowed.

A small smile tugged at the corner of Homura's lips.

Sayaka huffed, shaking her head.

"The problem," continued Homura, "was threefold: First, of course, I was the only one capable of taking charge of the situation," to everyone's lingering surprise, she did not react at all when Sayaka elbowed her. "Second, were Madoka and Oriko to ever be alone together, Oriko would kill Madoka, because Oriko's an evil murdering sadistic monster who hates everything cute and beautiful," Homura did blush when Madoka kissed her on the cheek, "and third, were Sayaka and Oriko alone, Sayaka would kill Oriko because her Justice driven nature would not allow her anything else. And then she would've become a Witch out of guilt."

Purple eyes flickered towards Mami for an instant, but the golden haired girl didn't react, content to listen with her head leaning on Sabrina's shoulder.

"Yuma knows this one!" the self referred girl jumped to her feet with barely contained excitement. "Can Yuma answer the puzzle?"

Faced with the little girl's big, shining blue eyes, Homura could only nod, ceding her the word.

"This is what you did," explained Yuma, sitting back down as Kyouko tugged down on her, "let's say you all were at side A of the river," the little girl grabbed a butter knife, an upside down empty teacup, a sugar shaker, and a spoon, and laid them all together on the table, "and you wanted to get everyone to side B, across the river," she pointed to an empty spot on the table, "first you took Oriko across..." she moved the spoon and the teacup to the second spot, "then you went back, took Sayaka, and ferried her across," the spoon went back to the start, to cross the 'river' again alongside the knife, "but then in order for Sayaka to not hurt Oriko, you took Oriko with you when you went back," the knife was left alone while the spoon and the cup went back to the sugar, "then you left Oriko and ferried Madoka across, then went back to get Oriko again in the end!"

Everyone watched as Yuma finished moving the four things back and forth across the table, ending with the girl smiling triumphantly at Homura.

The black haired girl nodded pensively. "That would've been a smart solution to the problem, but no, I just shot Oriko."

Yuma blinked.

"... Ahhhhhhhhh not fair!" she yelled, slamming her palms on the table. "You cheated! You shouldn't cheat!"

"There is no such thing as cheating, when it comes to life and death," Homura took a sip of her tea, eyes closed, "there's only protecting those you care about."

"But Yuma's solution would've worked to protect everyone," Sayaka poked Homura's ribs, and this time the girl did flinch, "so there was no need to shoot anybody."

Homura glared, shuffling closer to Madoka and away from Sayaka's poking hand. "Yes, but then I would've had to put up with Oriko being insufferable while I carried her back and forth."

"So it's a matter of convenience?" huffed Sayaka. "Why did you want to keep Oriko alive, if you just shot her in the end?"

"She was a prisoner."

"So the point is that you shouldn't take prisoners?"

"No. The point is that, sometimes, you really should just shoot Oriko," nodded Homura wisely. "That tends to solve a lot of problems. And it's cathartic."

"I have to object," chimed in Oriko, "I do not agree with your point."

"Yeah!" nodded Kirika, "That part about shooting Oriko was totally bad and wrong. Badwrong."

"Of course you'd object, Mikuni," Homura rolled her eyes, not deigning to look at the Seer, "it makes sense since, as I explained, you are a horrible monster who hates everything good."

"That part is also badwrong," chipped in Kirika.

"And it's Kure now, not Mikuni," added Oriko, prompting Kirika to shuffle closer and smile up at her. The couple quickly found themselves staring into each other's eyes, withdrawn into their own little world where they were unaffected by Sayaka's grimace, where Homura's roll of her eyes couldn't hurt their feelings.

"... How cathartic are we talking about?" muttered Sayaka, unable to look away from the cuddling couple. Everyone else turned to look at her. "I mean," the bleunette smirked, "I'm not saying I would really shoot her... maybe just a little? You three got your chance!"

"Sayaka no," chimed in Sabrina distractedly while twirling on of Mami's hairdrills around her finger, "no shooting Oriko. Bad kouhai."

"Yeah, Sayaka," deadpanned Homura, "how could you think of doing that?"

"Sayaka!" gasped Madoka, leaning around Homura to stare at her long time best friend in shock. Before having a giggling fit and burying her head on Homura's neck.

"Miki Sayaka," Mami finally deigned to unglue herself from Sabrina's side and sit up straight, engaging her Senpai persona, "you should not even joke about shooting someone, because shooting people is bad- without having a really good reason," she added as Sayaka opened her mouth, causing her to close it again, "and catharsis does not constitute such. Furthermore, whatever might have happened in the past, Oriko is our friend now, so shooting her would be even more wrong."

"Badwronger," nodded Sabrina.

"So no, you might not shoot Oriko, not even 'a little', and shouldn't even joke about that," finished Mami... before smirking. "... But really, you shouldn't because Kirika would gut you."

"I would!" chimed in Kirika.

Everyone's expressions froze in their faces. They all turned to Kirika.

"Geez!" she squirmed under the scrutinity, "We're all joking, right?"

As one, everyone else relaxed and looked away, leaving the black haired girl to mutter about having learned about proper use of force and not gutting people as the first option.

"... Not like it would kill her, she's a meguca..." Kirika only stopped frowning when Oriko laid a kiss on top of her head, after which she immediately forgot about the matter entirely, too busy brushing her nose against Oriko's cheek to care.

"But there's one thing that doesn't make sense about the problem," mused Sayaka. "Where was Kirika in all of this?"

Homura blinked. "Wounded, of course, for she wouldn't have let me take Oriko prisoner otherwise."

"And why didn't you use magic to solve the problem easier?"

"Because Sabrina did not exist in that timeline, and I had to conserve magic."

"Why didn't you just knock out Oriko?"

"Because- fine," Homura rolled her eyes, "I admit it, the entire situation did not actually happen."

Sayaka nodded to herself, a self satisfied smile on her lips.

"... But why didn't you just-"

Homura flipped her hair on Sayaka's face.
 
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Now I'm imagining Homura's variations on the trolley problem.

One one track are 5 people. The other track is empty. But two of the people are Oriko and Kirika. But Madoka is watching.
Is the risk of Madoka being killed by Oriko or the risk of Madoka contracting to bring the 5 people back to life greater?
 
One one track are 5 people. The other track is empty. But two of the people are Oriko and Kirika. But Madoka is watching.
Is the risk of Madoka being killed by Oriko or the risk of Madoka contracting to bring the 5 people back to life greater?
There's a 50% chance that one of the people on the track is Sayaka, further complicating the problem.

BTW I think this would be Madoka's favorite version of the trolley problem:
 
One one track are 5 people. The other track is empty. But two of the people are Oriko and Kirika. But Madoka is watching.
Is the risk of Madoka being killed by Oriko or the risk of Madoka contracting to bring the 5 people back to life greater?
There's a 50% chance that one of the people on the track is Sayaka, further complicating the problem.

"Time Stop. Pull the lever. Put the bodies in the shield. Unstop time. Lie to Madoka and say they were all rescued with Time Stop."

"What the fuck, Homura?"
 
"A train is travelling fullspeed on its tracks, and Madoka is on the tracks. However, there is a lever I can push. If I do so, the train will deviate into a different set of tracks, which will set the train into a course that loops around and has it collide with Madoka from the other side instead. However, if I push back the lever before it does, I can set the train into another set of tracks which loops it back to where it started. Thus, I can keep Madoka safe from the train as long as I keep pushing the level back and forth at the right times until the end of time."

"This problem irrealistic. Were it more faithful to reality, Madoka would irremediably get hit by the train some times, with me being unable to do anything to stop this from happening. The train riddle also fails in that a train requires fuel to move, and so must stop at some point; in reality it is not the train that will necessarily come to a stop, but myself, because I am standing close enough to the tracks that the train will clip me some times while I'm exerting myself with the task of pushing and pulling the lever. Furthermore, each time I pushed or pulled the lever, the train would pick up speed as a direct consequence of my action-"


*Pulls Homura into a bone crushing hug*

"You're crying."

"... That seems to be the case."
 
Now I'm imagining Homura's variations on the trolley problem.

One one track are 5 people. The other track is empty. But two of the people are Oriko and Kirika. But Madoka is watching.
Is the risk of Madoka being killed by Oriko or the risk of Madoka contracting to bring the 5 people back to life greater?

Nah, PMMM can actually be explained entirely in terms of trolley problem memes. Here's some quick paint diagrams.

Madoka pulls the lever to shift the trolley away from Mitakihara and then lays down on the track, sacrificing herself.
Homura would then come by, pull the lever onto a third track, and lay down there.
Then Madoka would stand up, and pull the lever back onto her track, and lay back down

Let's not bring up trolley problems involving Madoka to Homura.
 
Nah, PMMM can actually be explained entirely in terms of trolley problem memes. Here's some quick paint diagrams.

Madoka pulls the lever to shift the trolley away from Mitakihara and then lays down on the track, sacrificing herself.
Homura would then come by, pull the lever onto a third track, and lay down there.
Then Madoka would stand up, and pull the lever back onto her track, and lay back down

Let's not bring up trolley problems involving Madoka to Homura.
Rebellion: Homura pulls the lever and then breaks it and then somehow makes Madoka live inside the train.

PMAS: Sabrina pulls the lever but doesn't lie down on the tracks.
 
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