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Firnagzen said:
Honestly, your best theory is that Feathers, whatever -or whoever- it is, is trying to make the timeline match up with the previous one.
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Is this something we've actually been discussing?? I've seen Dedolere and Homucifer and many things, but don't remember /this/ as the motive.... paranoia, or 666th Update Hint?

More specifically though... am I misunderstanding from not watching any of it Rebellion, or does this remind anyone else of Wraiths? Weren't they a natural (newtonian?) reaction to the lack of Witches and Madokami's reality twisting Wish more generally?

Just as Wraith's provide a danger/chance-of-end to immortal Meguca AND a source of crystallizing accumulated Grief of the world after reality changed to remove Witchouts and their Seeds..... might Feather's have formed naturally as a unique Entity, to counterbalance Madokami's reality warping to both create Sabrina and alter many points of the timeline and events to make things more solveable? It explains why it seems to have trouble finding Sabrina (a form not..quite..present in the prior timeline it's trying to revert) , why barriers and Sabrina's barrier is easier to find her (if UKG or WPN theories are right, its the closest Sabrina comes to prior form) , and directly why Brinapilot says the best theory is that its trying to revert the changes Madokami's wish made.

Also yes, we absolutely need to pick out chairs for Madoka's collection from the mansion (Reparations! Blood Price!) and then give the Miki's their choice of whats left (replace what was lost)
 
Racoras said:
Is this something we've actually been discussing?? I've seen Dedolere and Homucifer and many things, but don't remember /this/ as the motive.... paranoia, or 666th Update Hint?
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It is one such theory.

For example, if Homulilly is Feathers:

Homulilly wishes to protect Madoka herself.
Homulilly wants Madoka to be powerless, and need to be protected.

[="Firnagzen, post: 8837837, member: 386"QUOTE]"I-" Homura's jaw clenches, voice tight with restrained emotion. "I don't want her near this. She asked me to keep her away from being a magical girl, she needs to be protected from this."[/QUOTE]

Thus, Homulilly does not want this timeline in which Madoka's Wish is taking effect, and it's Sabrina who's making things better (which ultimately helps beat Walpurgisnacht and protect Madoka), not Homura. Then it's possible Homulilly is trying to make this timeline more like the ones she's experienced.

Sayaka in this timeline is... very un-Sayaka-like in Homura's experience. A more normal Sayaka is a Contracted/dead Sayaka, so Homulilly might or might not have thrown Sayaka into a Barrier.

Also... I might have to go back and check, but whenever Oriko met Feathers in her visions, I think she died (in vision), which kind of lines up with how, in her side manga, whenever Oriko approached Madoka in visions, she died in that vision, courtesy of Homu.
 
Because I am congenitally incapable of not multiplying hypotheses:

You know... honestly, if I was going to attribute the motive of "Making this timeline look like the last one" to anyone, it wouldn't be Homucifer, or Dedolere, or Homulily or UKG, or Gretchen, or anything like that at all. All of these people and witches want the status quo to change.

No, it would be Walpurgisnacht.

I mean, who else would want to make sure the tragedy stuck to the script but the stage director?

Annnnnnnnnd now I'm having this image of Dullahan!Walpurgis, searching for Sabrina, her missing head/core. (Perhaps as the gear searching for its missing doll?)

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Also, a fluffy thought for when we contact Yuki:

[] Ask Tsuruya if she's had fun claiming the whole city with that clear seed.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Because I am congenitally incapable of not multiplying hypotheses:
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Well... I wasn't gonna comment this silly idea, but if it's for the sake of multiplying hypotheses... :V

What if, rather than Walpurgisnacht, Homulilly, Sabrina, UKG, any culprit we could come up with... Feathers was all of them? If Feathers was a quantum superposition of every single possible Feathers we could conceive of?

And in the end, we would end up in some distorted spacetime where we need to finally fix each and every one of them. At the same time?

I don't remember what prompted this thought. Let's throw it into the 'Feathers hypothesis pot' alongside all the other ideas, and alongside the idea that Feathers doesn't actually exist.


Actually serious:

... Should we have an 'hypothesis/ideas/conjectures/predictions' tab in the Planner?
 
PulsarObserver said:
Yes, if we also record evidence for and against each hypothesis
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The problem here is that the hypotheses are so easy to multiply precisely because there's so little hard evidence. Once we actually start doing research, I expect they should drop by the wayside.

I prefer keeping planner focused on concrete details we want to have on hand.

Things we've done, things we haven't done and when we plan to do them. Experiments to perform and the results of experiments. People we've met or heard of, and various important details about them. Inventory of our 4-space storage AKA Pocket and grief/clear seed movement logs. Those kinds of things.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Actually...why not have Oriko give the Mikis her mansion? It'd probably throw Sayaka for a loop.
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Godwinson said:
That is a hilarious idea.
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Sadly, we tossed around something similar to this idea, and got shot down by Sayaka and Mami. :/

Firnagzen said:
You sigh, sitting back and leaning into Mami's arms. "Alright. I guess... Well, the next thing to settle is where we're moving them, and what we do with the Mikuni mansion."

"Is... is that a question?" Sayaka asks, both eyebrows shooting up. "I guess she's our prisoner, yeah, but that's not our mansion. We haven't..." She screws up her face. "We haven't established their asset forfeiture."

"I... must concur, Sabrina," Mami says. She bites her lip. "I'm sorry."

"... Uh. That's a good point," you say, and squeeze Mami's hand. "Don't be sorry for telling me when I'm wrong, Mami. But yeah, I guess we can leave that to her...?"

"Did you have something in mind?" Mami asks, giving you a gentle smile.

"Well, I was thinking that Oriko probably doesn't want the place any more, so if she were interested in selling it the proceeds could be donated to everyone who was affected in the fire."

"Yeaaaaah, that runs into the same problem of 'why'," Sayaka says. "It'd be great! But, like, I don't see what, er, justification could be used."

"Anonymous charitable donation?" you say. "But yeah, I see your point. It's not our call to make, so... thanks Mami, thanks Sayaka for pointing it out."
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During our conversation with Mami, Sayaka, and Homura over the fate of the Kures the other day.


(Or maybe I'm taking a joke seriously again? I can never tell.)
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Actually...why not have Oriko give the Mikis her mansion? It'd probably throw Sayaka for a loop.
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I've been told that would be kind of... suspicious? The mansion is under a lot of scrutinity due to its newly gained infamity (which also might not make it the best place to live). How would this affect the Mikis? When people look at the paper trail, what would they think of this random family for some reason randomly being given a mansion by this girl fallen from grace?

(I don't reaaaaally know, but as it was explained back then, it seemed there would be lots of complications.)

EDIT: Ninja'd. That also happened in story, too? Do I need to re-read the whole thread? :thonk:
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Actually...why not have Oriko give the Mikis her mansion? It'd probably throw Sayaka for a loop.
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Well, prior responses aside, it's certainly a fun thought.

Although... I think it's worth noting the single biggest potential problem I can see with it is honestly that it's a large mansion and the Miki's are a small family. It's noted in both Sadness Prayer and parts of PMAS that many parts of it had been gathering dust because Oriko's own family wasn't able to make full use of it.

The reason that note is important being that we're expecting a wave of incoming refugees. Which raises the possibility of using the Mikuni Mansion as a place for housing and/or organizing magical girls who haven't been properly set up yet.
 
The Phoenixian said:
The reason that note is important being that we're expecting a wave of incoming refugees. Which raises the possibility of using the Mikuni Mansion as a place for housing and/or organizing magical girls who haven't been properly set up yet.
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We would need some way to draw attention off the mansion, though. It's honestly not the nicest place to put anyone to live, since the people despise everything Mikuni by now.

An irrational thing, but people give the place the stingy eye, and that would translate to them giving the stinky eye to anyone who moves in.

Imagine if we have refugees living there and one night they wake up because some kids decided to have fun throwing stones and the cursed Mikuni mansion. :/
 
Godwinson said:
That is a hilarious idea.
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Sayaka: You can't GIVE me your mansion!
Oriko: Indeed, I've sold it to you
Sayaka: *looks at deed* ... FOR A HUNDRED YEN?!
Oriko: Quite, good day miss Miki
Sayaka's parents: She seems like a nice girl, shame about her father, maybe you could be her friend Sayaka?
Sayaka: >___<
 
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DB_Explorer said:
Sayaka: You can't GIVE me your mansion!
Oriko: Indeed, I've sold it to you
Sayaka: *looks at deed* ... FOR A HINDERED YEN?!
Oriko: Quite, good day miss Miki
Sayaka's parents: She seems like a nice girl, shame about her father, maybe you could be her friend Sayaka?
Sayaka: >___<
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Man, I'm not looking forward to explaining this whole flustercuck to the Mikiparents.

Or explaining to Homu that Oriko's got superpowers again.

Or to explaining Sayaka the Witchbomb if she decides to learn it. That's today.

... Can we just stay with O&K until school time is over then take Mami and go have a date on Italy?
 
The Phoenixian said:
Well, prior responses aside, it's certainly a fun thought.

Although... I think it's worth noting the single biggest potential problem I can see with it is honestly that it's a large mansion and the Miki's are a small family. It's noted in both Sadness Prayer and parts of PMAS that many parts of it had been gathering dust because Oriko's own family wasn't able to make full use of it.

The reason that note is important being that we're expecting a wave of incoming refugees. Which raises the possibility of using the Mikuni Mansion as a place for housing and/or organizing magical girls who haven't been properly set up yet.
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All I'm hearing is that the Kures and the Mikis need to become Wacky Roommates.
 
Onmur said:
We would need some way to draw attention off the mansion, though. It's honestly not the nicest place to put anyone to live, since the people despise everything Mikuni by now.

An irrational thing, but people give the place the stingy eye, and that would translate to them giving the stinky eye to anyone who moves in.

Imagine if we have refugees living there and one night they wake up because some kids decided to have fun throwing stones and the cursed Mikuni mansion. :/
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Honestly, I'm not too worried about that. The person most hurt by that place is Oriko and, as far as distractions from the Mikuni reputation go, I'd say that Walpurgisnacht in a couple weeks is a pretty big one.

Until then, warning people about the reputation and letting them make their own decisions seems like it would be enough.

But first we take all the rosebushes and plant them upside down. As a calling card of the inverted mayflower pole witch.

AuraTwilight said:
All I'm hearing is that the Kures and the Mikis need to become Wacky Roommates.
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It sounds like a screenplay worthy of Walpurgisnacht; It starts with fire and destroyed buildings and can only end in rubble and screaming.
 
Phigment said:
It's not too late for Sayaka to burn down Oriko's house.

Would tie up some loose ends. Empty lots are easy to sell.
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Sayaka: BAWAHAHAA *throws fuel on the mansion* BAWAHAH.. . where did I put the matches?
Oriko: Here you go *hands Sayaka matches*
Sayaka: Oh thanks
Oriko: No problem
Sayaka: wait a second....
Oriko: No by all means burn it down, its not like its a constant reminder of my father, a man who turned himself on all the ideals he supposedly taught me and left me alone in a world that hates me for my last name....
Sayaka: wut
 
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Phigment said:
It's not too late for Sayaka to burn down Oriko's house.

Would tie up some loose ends. Empty lots are easy to sell.
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Responding to this seriously, if we take a "washing our hands of it" option, I'll point out that there is the Sadness Prayer route of just giving it to Oriko's uncle Kimihide.

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In other news, a thought: When the broken link invisitext asks "what is this?" after we first pick up the Feather...

Firnagzen said:
Fingers of Grief wrap around the feather that drifted out of your Barrier, binding it away into one more innocuous sphere to join the others.BROKEN TAG INVISITEXT START"what is this?"BROKEN TAG INVISITEXT END You'll get back to it later - you need to take care of Mami first.
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Is this some entity asking what the feather is, or Feathers asking what the grief is?

Both have a lot of implications but, if the latter, it would certainly explain how the entity was able to remain active in timestop, regardless of its true source: If it connects to its originator in the same way our grief or Mami's ribbons do then we may have literally brought it in with us. (Of course, it's been silent since the transition from On a Rail to Red Letter Day, so there's the question of whether the connection is still there.)

But it also makes me wonder: Mightn't one possible way forward have been just as simple as responding to it? Since it asked "who we are" at one point... We kind of have a way to answer that question, even at a distance.

If all else fails... Dare we soul-hug the Feather?

And if it elicits a reaction from ourselves or one of our friends... Well, that answers that.

(Dumbest of all possible results: Feathers is UKG; We ping the Feather with magic, and literally everyone we know responds. Cue the Discord @everyone reactions.)

(Sabrina, to all: Sorry, guys, I uh, may or may not have pinged humanity's collective unconscious without knowing what it was.)
 
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